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American Style Fascism

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posted on Jul, 31 2018 @ 07:32 PM
I've read a number of articles on American style fascism. I think there is two sides to this study. Most of the articles on American style fascism concentrate their focus on the power-holders. I think just as important is there should be an equal focus on the American people. Hitler would never have risen to power if it were not for the mentality of the 1933 German people.

"Authoritarian personality is a state of mind or attitude characterized by belief in absolute obedience or submission to someone else's authority, as well as the administration of that belief through the oppression of one's subordinates."

"Bob Altemeyer conducted a series of studies on what he labeled right-wing authoritarianism (RWA), and presents the most recent analysis of this personality type.[11] The focus of RWA research is political preferences as measured through surveys, that suggest three tendencies as noted in attitudinal clusters. These are: 1) submission to legitimate authorities; 2) aggression towards sanctioned targeted minority groups; and 3) adherence to values and beliefs perceived as endorsed by followed leadership."

I think number 1 listed above is very interesting. I tend to be a far leftist socialist in my political views. So over the years I have had a number of conversations with right wingers. And I notice something about right wingers in that unless the source of your information comes from a "legitimate authority" it is automatically invalid. The content of what is being said is NOT as important as who is saying it. This is so different from my own point of view which is the opposite. In my leftist socialist mindset public policy and political positions are MORE important than who is talking.

I think the mentality of someone who has an authoritarian personality is amplified by the Christian religion. The King James version of the bible seems to me to be like government propaganda for a particular type of government. The function of authoritarian based religion is to establish legitimacy of monarchy. If the monarch is revered as God on Earth then people will not question the monarchs decisions to build an empire. You cannot have a lord without slaves. The Christian religion requires submission to authority as the only path to salvation. Christianity is not an egalitarian religion when it comes to leadership and who is in authority.

For the emperor to be successful building an empire requires invading nearby lands and killing lots of people. The problem is most people understand the power of the golden rule when it comes to killing someone. So the way emperors get around this is by having a religion that discriminates against other groups of people with labels. Once a group of people are "labeled" they are considered to be sub-human animals and there is no moral consequence to murdering sub-humans. Then what emperors do is they create one or two false flag attacks and the "chosen" people are frothing at the mouth for revenge. This is the classic formula for building empire that has been used for thousands of years.

So combine the mentality of the American people with their authoritarian based religion and keep it in mind when reading these articles on American style fascism. In these articles the focus is on the power-holders of government:

"The Resurgence of Political Authoritarianism":

"Putting aside these secondary matters, the major attack on the institutions and values of liberal democracy is by the powerful business classes, intensifying since Reagan as both political parties have drifted toward greater subordination to their interests — the Republicans to such an extreme that by now they barely can be considered a political party. Anyone who finds this surprising must be uninformed about American society and how it functions. By now, as business power has been unleashed by its servants in the Republican Party, the traditional business attack on “the institutions and values of liberal democracy” has reached levels not seen since the Gilded Age, if even then.

Of course, it is quite legal to buy elections, to send lobbyists to congressional offices to write legislation, and in other ways “to shape public policy in a way that serves [private power’s] narrow interests” — indeed, these comprise “an essential, nonaccidental part of … business strategy”

"Fascism should more appropriately be called Corporatism because it is a merger of state and corporate power." Benito Mussolini

"Reading Against Fascism":

"Fantasies of absolute control, racial cleansing, unchecked militarism and class warfare are at the heart of a US social order that has turned lethal. This is a dystopian social order marked by hollow words, an imagination pillaged of any substantive meaning, cleansed of compassion and used to legitimate the notion that alternative worlds are impossible to entertain. What we are witnessing is an abandonment of democratic institutions and values and a full-scale attack on dissent, thoughtful reasoning and the radical imagination."

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posted on Jul, 31 2018 @ 07:32 PM
From an article titled "Fascism Anyone?":

Powerful and Continuing Nationalism
Fascist regimes tend to make constant use of patriotic mottos, slogans, symbols, songs, and other paraphernalia. Flags are seen everywhere, as are flag symbols on clothing and in public displays.

Disdain for the Recognition of Human Rights
Because of fear of enemies and the need for security, the people in fascist regimes are persuaded that human rights can be ignored in certain cases because of "need." The people tend to look the other way or even approve of torture, summary executions, assassinations, long incarcerations of prisoners, etc.

Identification of Enemies/Scapegoats as a Unifying Cause
The people are rallied into a unifying patriotic frenzy over the need to eliminate a perceived common threat or foe: racial , ethnic or religious minorities; liberals; communists; socialists, terrorists, etc.

Supremacy of the Military
Even when there are widespread domestic problems, the military is given a disproportionate amount of government funding, and the domestic agenda is neglected. Soldiers and military service are glamorized.

Rampant Sexism
The governments of fascist nations tend to be almost exclusively male-dominated. Under fascist regimes, traditional gender roles are made more rigid. Opposition to abortion is high, as is homophobia and anti-gay legislation and national policy.

Controlled Mass Media
Sometimes to media is directly controlled by the government, but in other cases, the media is indirectly controlled by government regulation, or sympathetic media spokespeople and executives. Censorship, especially in war time, is very common.

Obsession with National Security
Fear is used as a motivational tool by the government over the masses.

Religion and Government are Intertwined
Governments in fascist nations tend to use the most common religion in the nation as a tool to manipulate public opinion. Religious rhetoric and terminology is common from government leaders, even when the major tenets of the religion are diametrically opposed to the government's policies or actions.

Corporate Power is Protected
The industrial and business aristocracy of a fascist nation often are the ones who put the government leaders into power, creating a mutually beneficial business/government relationship and power elite.

Labor Power is Suppressed
Because the organizing power of labor is the only real threat to a fascist government, labor unions are either eliminated entirely, or are severely suppressed .

Disdain for Intellectuals and the Arts
Fascist nations tend to promote and tolerate open hostility to higher education, and academia. It is not uncommon for professors and other academics to be censored or even arrested. Free expression in the arts is openly attacked, and governments often refuse to fund the arts.

Obsession with Crime and Punishment
Under fascist regimes, the police are given almost limitless power to enforce laws. The people are often willing to overlook police abuses and even forego civil liberties in the name of patriotism. There is often a national police force with virtually unlimited power in fascist nations.

Rampant Cronyism and Corruption
Fascist regimes almost always are governed by groups of friends and associates who appoint each other to government positions and use governmental power and authority to protect their friends from accountability. It is not uncommon in fascist regimes for national resources and even treasures to be appropriated or even outright stolen by government leaders.

Fraudulent Elections
Sometimes elections in fascist nations are a complete sham. Other times elections are manipulated by smear campaigns against or even assassination of opposition candidates, use of legislation to control voting numbers or political district boundaries, and manipulation of the media. Fascist nations also typically use their judiciaries to manipulate or control elections.

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posted on Jul, 31 2018 @ 07:37 PM
Good descriptions of Zi Democrati Sturmabteilung

They have all the tactics down to a "science"


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posted on Jul, 31 2018 @ 07:41 PM
Religion and government were intertwined in 1930's Germany?

What the actual f#?

The definition of fascism has been heavily manipulated in recent years, but this bulls# right here takes the cake.


posted on Jul, 31 2018 @ 07:41 PM
a reply to: xuenchen

Look in the mirror one of these days.

posted on Jul, 31 2018 @ 07:42 PM
a reply to: NthOther

That's why it's called American style! It takes the cake!

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posted on Jul, 31 2018 @ 07:43 PM
a reply to: dfnj2015

Right. You just rewrote the definition of fascism to make it fit your political opposition.


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posted on Jul, 31 2018 @ 07:44 PM
a reply to: dfnj2015

Or in other words:

Authoritarian Progressives

posted on Jul, 31 2018 @ 07:48 PM
a reply to: dfnj2015

1) submission to legitimate authorities - Anyone who speaks with the voice of elite authority, particularly academic authority or proper political authority speaks for many on the left in this country. Certain news sources are also taken at face value as above reproach. Look how much you are relying on a scientist and his study here.

2) Aggression towards sanctioned targeted minority groups - It doesn't have to a minority as in overall population. But in general, there will be fewer conservatives in a group, particularly a university group. There will be fewer open Christians. And a group need not be a strict minority in order for there to be aggression sanctioned against it. We see plenty sanctioned against white males, not white females although you will sometimes hear about that and this is usually from the left.

3) adherence to values and beliefs perceived as endorsed by followed leadership - And again, the pot has only to look at the kettle to recognize how black it is.

posted on Jul, 31 2018 @ 07:48 PM
a reply to: dfnj2015

It's interesting.

I always try to "default" towards freedom.

I mean, how can you go wrong if you're on the side of freedom, amirite?

Now I've had my run-ins with conservatives in the past, but I am almost always in contrast to anyone who embraces a leftist ideology.


posted on Jul, 31 2018 @ 07:49 PM
a reply to: ketsuko

Try being skeptical about man-made climate change.


posted on Jul, 31 2018 @ 07:50 PM

I think the mentality of someone who has an authoritarian personality is amplified by the Christian religion.

Bull and Snip.

Let's see what a REAL fascist has to say.

What does Christianity mean today? National Socialism is a religion. All we lack is a religious genius capable of uprooting outmoded religious practices and putting new ones in their place. We lack traditions and ritual. One day soon National Socialism will be the religion of all Germans. My Party is my church, and I believe I serve the Lord best if I do his will, and liberate my oppressed people from the fetters of slavery. That is my gospel. Joseph Goebbels

posted on Jul, 31 2018 @ 07:51 PM
a reply to: dfnj2015

"Authoritarian personality is a state of mind or attitude characterized by belief in absolute obedience or submission to someone else's authority, as well as the administration of that belief through the oppression of one's subordinates."

So the Liberal Socialist doesn't want people to follow the laws that they deem is appropriate for society? Interesting.

1) submission to legitimate authorities; 2) aggression towards sanctioned targeted minority groups; and 3) adherence to values and beliefs perceived as endorsed by followed leadership."

So a far leftist socialist leader wouldn't want his followers to follow the laws that they come up with? aggression towards sanctioned targeted minority group? If what your saying is correct it would seem that the far left socialist wouldn't want the sanctioned laws that makes that illegal to be followed, because then they would be submitting to authority.

Your way of thinking doesn't seem to follow a rational stance. Do you follow the law, or not?

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posted on Jul, 31 2018 @ 07:57 PM
a reply to: dfnj2015

Just leftist hissy fit BS with projection issues.

You may not like it, but TRUMP won the election. Period.

Instead of exposing yourself as an authoritarian, accept the result of this democratic election

posted on Jul, 31 2018 @ 07:58 PM
a reply to: NthOther

They are not my articles.

posted on Jul, 31 2018 @ 07:59 PM
a reply to: M5xaz

Truth hurts.

posted on Jul, 31 2018 @ 08:03 PM
a reply to: dfnj2015

Majority of all that is interchangeable with Socialism / Communism.

Even the "Nationalism" part leftists are so hell bent to make the top of their list, as in North Korea , China and Cuba. The most fascinating twist is the same people that freak out about nationalism seem to always be the sorts that love Obama and scream for Globalism. The irony there being Obama's Globalism is "Neoliberalism" (global imperialism via multinational corporatism). Now when you actually listen to Mussolini (whom invented "Fascism") his definition was a merger of corporate power with a powerful centralized state apparatus, and that's "America" whether its "Republicans" or "Democrats" at the helm. I call this "Textbook Fascism".

The part about the regular people side of things that defines this "Stereotypical Fascism" is when a political party is geared towards censoring and outright (even physically) attacking other common citizens whom disagree with them. And that's been Team Democrat Talking Points domain to the tune of about 98.39462929% (by this I'm not talking about mere partisan bickering but outright SCREAMING and FLAILING and CENSORING and PUNCHING and SHOOTING not merely the other team but anyone who disagrees with them).

More on these distinctions:
Obama: The Fascist (of the proper "Fascism" variety) vs. "Antifa" the "Anti-Facists"
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posted on Jul, 31 2018 @ 08:05 PM
a reply to: dfnj2015

If you didn't embrace it, you wouldn't have posted it.

Or, you just saw the words "fascism" and "right" and decided to run with it without bothering to check to see if what you were linking to made any f# sense at all.

Also typical .

posted on Jul, 31 2018 @ 08:07 PM
Boy this thread isn't going the way OP wanted.

Interesting the quote from Goebbels about National Socialism being a religion. Reminds me of the way some progressives will work against their own best interests if it means advancing progressivism. It's like their religion.

posted on Jul, 31 2018 @ 08:08 PM
a reply to: dfnj2015

And dont forget this detail:
The Myth That Liberals Are More Fair And Less Authoritarian Than Conservatives
I'm still blown away by how even more authoritarian and bootlicking the "liberals" proved to be with Obama, than the "conservatives" were with Bush. And its not like they had 9/11 as a logical prompt to such, as the other team did.

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