3-D Plastic "Liberator" now available...

I got laid off a few years ago. I was bored, looking for something to do so I did full 3D models and machine drawings for several of my guns. I don't need a 3D printer. I have enough equipment in my garage to make any of the guns.

a reply to: JBurns

Those not living in the Free-America should promptly move to remedy that situation, and enjoy the mechanical challenge of building one of these valuable hedges against the intolerable tyranny of gun control.

This is good news. However like WACO guns will be useless when they bring in tanks or explosions go off and all evidence and witnesses is conveniently "scrubbed"

Almost anyone can download a file off the internet.

How many can “de-bug” a file they’ve downloaded off the internet?

Push comes to shove, what is to stop “the government” from inserting subtle changes to the 3D file code rendering the printed product inoperable, or even self-destructing?

Two birds, one exploding stone.

Stux for the win.

I won't be accused of pedophilia if I download the files and name it "life insurance" will I?

originally posted by: Bhadhidar
Almost anyone can download a file off the internet.

How many can “de-bug” a file they’ve downloaded off the internet?

Push comes to shove, what is to stop “the government” from inserting subtle changes to the 3D file code rendering the printed product inoperable, or even self-destructing?

Two birds, one exploding stone.

Stux for the win.

That's what hashes are for.
If it became an issue, the origonal hashes would be posted everywhere within a day of noticing- along with information on how to check them.
Of course, this design is really rather simple. All they could do to make it weak in the design is to change the design to have weak points in the chamber - which would be pretty darn obvious.

The beauty here is the simplicity - a single shot firearm is so simple stupid that anyone motivated could make one with stuff you'd find in a typical home workshop. The cartridge itself is far more advanced.

I could probably make a reasonably functional 12ga single shot (reloadable) shotgun out of junk in my apartment. I wouldn't want to use it- but I'd feel pretty confident that it wouldn't hurt me, aside from the recoil.
You know- the kind of thing you might use to get out of a bad situation.
The kind of thing you might call...
the liberator



edit to add:
a quick search of "diy plastic guns" on google has given me a TON of propaganda hit pieces from our "news" agencies.
They hate this a LOT- which is all I need to know... Files downloaded.
I wonder what a 3d printer runs these days....

a reply to: lordcomac

www.atf.gov...

No, a license is not required to make a firearm solely for personal use. However, a license is required to manufacture firearms for sale or distribution. The law prohibits a person from assembling a non–sporting semiautomatic rifle or shotgun from 10 or more imported parts, as well as firearms that cannot be detected by metal detectors or x–ray machines. In addition, the making of an NFA firearm requires a tax payment and advance approval by ATF. [18 U.S.C. 922(o), (p) and (r); 26 U.S.C. 5822; 27 CFR 478.39, 479.62 and 479.105]

www.gunsholstersandgear.com...

Am I required to apply a serial number to a gun I manufacture? Short Answer: No Long Answer: My research indicates there is no federal law or regulation that requires a person to mark his or her personally manufactured firearm with a serial number or other information. I had this confirmed by the Firearms Industry Programs Branch of the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (BATFE). Read the original article here: www.gunsholstersandgear.com... . Make sure you visit GunsHolstersAndGear.com for all of the latest gun news, reviews and SHOT Show coverage.

so no you are not required to put a serial on your home made guns ,pretty sure suppressors DO though . and you cant sell your home made guns technically..... but you can get away with it but its a greay area of the law currently

However, you cannot make the gun with the intent to sell or otherwise transfer the gun to another. This prohibition includes making a gun as a gift for an immediate family member. However, building a gun for yourself that you later decide to sell or transfer is permissible. I would strongly urge caution, as the practice of making a gun for another is prohibited without a license. It would be up to you to prove that you made it for yourself and then later decided to sell or give it away. I’ve never been able to find any reference in federal law to a serial number or other manufacturing marks being required on a personally made firearm. When I contacted the BATFE about this in December of 2016, Firearms Enforcement Specialist L. Babbie of the Firearms Industry Programs Branch in Washington DC stated: Additionally, although markings are not required on firearms manufactured for personal use (excluding NFA firearms), owners are recommended to conspicuously place or engrave a serial number and/ or other marks of identification to aid in investigation or recovery by State or local law enforcement officials in the event of a theft or loss of the privately owned firearm. (emphasis added) .

but check state laws as they can vary

a reply to: JBurns

Perhaps someone should publish plans for a demolition shaped charge, suicide vest, nuclear dirty bomb or bio bomb and a convenient rocket delivery system. You could build them at home.

I mean they are armaments, so every American has a 1st Amendment 'right' to carry them. It clearly says the "right to bear arms", not "the right to bear guns".

Only for personal protection, of course.

originally posted by: chr0naut
a reply to: JBurns

Perhaps someone should publish plans for a demolition shaped charge, suicide vest, nuclear dirty bomb or bio bomb and a convenient rocket delivery system. You could build them at home.

I mean they are armaments, so every American has a 1st Amendment 'right' to carry them. It clearly says the "right to bear arms", not "the right to bear guns".

Only for personal protection, of course.

The Japanese attacked the US west coast with “balloon bombs” during WWII.

Just think what someone could do with a few weather balloons, some stolen explosives, and a GPS-equipped smart phone.

If terror is your game, and you had access to a small nuke or dirty bomb, you cold even make yourself a credible delivery system; just study the jet stream and ground level wind patterns.

a reply to: TheConstruKctionofLight
And the government still had to pay with their own blood too, right? 4 agents were traded for six branch Davidians. The point is not whether you win or lose, it is for the aggressor be forced to yield his blood to enforce his authoritarian will. The government got angry that they actually had to pay in blood for their tyranny, and therefore they willfully burned scores of women and children to death as revenge.

Anybody can shoot sitting ducks. But you will note that when the ducks were not sitting in a barrel, they bit back and cost the aggressors their lives. 4 - 6 is not bad numbers when combating the government directly.

a reply to: JIMC5499

As a seasonal worker, I had the winter off and played with some 80% lowers.








Best winter ever!

a reply to: howtonhawky

You're right howtonhawky, I did leave out the 1st amendment by mistake

This is a huge win for first amendment rights Something I should and do celebrate moreso than a second amendment victory (since the 2nd isn't really under serious threat, while free speech is constantly under attack)

Thanks for pointing my oversight out

Just listened to the CBC in Canada moaning about this, and how “Ghost Guns” should be illegal...and more moan and pissing and whining.

If a dude feels the need to take a gun into a place that they shouldn’t be bringing a gun into - they are going to do it no matter what.
Either by shooting their way in, or shooting their way out.
No matter what though, people find a way if they are so determined to do so.

a reply to: lordcomac

You are correct lordcomac It varies whether or not you're constructing a non-NFA firearm vs. constructing an NFA firearm/device after getting the appropriate ATF approval/tax stamp

For any NFA firearm/AOW/suppression device you need a serial number to complete your form. Construction of the firearm, of course, has to wait until after your form to make an NFA firearm is complete and approved (when you get your tax stamp). Consequently, this is what makes the hearing protection act so attractive: if suppressors are taken off the NFA's purview, they will be regulated as standard non-NFA firearms and you'll be legally able to build them at home (once/if the law passes, however)

For any non-NFA firearm (ie: doesn't fire more than one projectile per trigger pull, not a short barreled shotgun/rifle, pistol without a foregrip, at least 16" bbl for a rifle, 18" for a shotgun, not disguised as a common tool or apparel, etc) You should read the NFA and be sure any firearm you build at home does not fall under those definitions. For these non-NFA home built firearms you do not need a serial number unless & until you decide to sell the firearm. You cannot build a firearm at home with the intention of selling it, but you may legally sell it if you decide you no longer wish to own it. Finally, no ATF approval or forms need to be filled out and you don't need to seek approval from the government (BATFE) to build a NON-NFA firearm

Hope that is clear, and also important to note I am not a lawyer. I do recommend researching the law in your State before deciding to construct a home-built firearm, and ensure that your home-built does not meet any of the NFA's criteria requiring a tax stamp

Again, if you wish to make an NFA weapon you can follow the legal process and do so. This would include integrally suppressed firearms or detachable suppressor systems

a reply to: JBurns

I just remember hearing awr hawkins and mark wolters discussing the implications of this a couple months ago at a gun show.

This is only the tip of the proverbial iceberg.

Never have two amendments come together in such a fashion as this.

It is gonna be yuuge.

originally posted by: JBurns
a reply to: howtonhawky

You're right howtonhawky, I did leave out the 1st amendment by mistake

This is a huge win for first amendment rights

Something I should and do celebrate moreso than a second amendment victory (since the 2nd isn't really under serious threat, while free speech is constantly under attack)

Thanks for pointing my oversight out

this is a huge win for America in general.

only good things will come of this.

society will benefit loads, lots of entertainment ahead.

Meanwhile, while the going gets good for those interested , states want to stop the printing:
"20 states sue Donald Trump to curtail bizarre 3D-printed gun u-turn"

Could the legalization of distributing blueprints for 3D-printed weapons pose a public safety threat? Yesterday, the attorney general of Washington state, Bob Ferguson announced he was going sue the Trump Administration after a bizarre legal u-turn over 3D-printed guns came to a head. Following a four-year long legal battle with nonprofit Defense Distributed, last month the State Department decided to approve the public release of 3D-printing tutorials on how to make your very own untraceable and unregistered firearm.

Source

a reply to: dreamingawake

outrageous.

next thing they'll erase history.

if the USA needs anything, its diy gun manufacturing, make it available in schools and workplaces in order to stop mass shootings.
#2nd4lyfe

a reply to: odzeandennz
Sarcasm noted but going to counter that with:
How about kits that are currently available, even more lethal than the printed ones, that lazy thugs can't be bothered to buy but steal an intact firearm instead?
#thuglyfe



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The printed gun schematics gun being talked about via 2013:

What a 3D-Printed Gun Can and Can't Do It should be noted that the Liberator is technically legal. Schumer and others who would ban 3D-printed guns cite the worry that the weapons, if made entirely of plastic, could pass unnoticed through metal detectors. Lawmakers had similar worries about the hard-plastic-bodied Glock handgun when it came to America. But like the Glock, the Liberator isn't completely plastic—it has a nonfunctional metal part that lets metal detectors pick it up. However, all 16 of its components could someday be made of plastic on an off-the-shelf 3D printer, thereby rendering the gun undetectable and above the law.

Source

release has been halted

www.huffingtonpost.com...

originally posted by: chr0naut
a reply to: JBurns

Perhaps someone should publish plans for a demolition shaped charge, suicide vest, nuclear dirty bomb or bio bomb and a convenient rocket delivery system. You could build them at home.

I mean they are armaments, so every American has a 1st Amendment 'right' to carry them. It clearly says the "right to bear arms", not "the right to bear guns".

Only for personal protection, of course.

You got your Amendments screwed up. It is the Second Amendment. The one that reads.
"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."
Technically the way the Second Amendment is worded, I should be able to own anything that the US Military has, that I can afford. You know the whole Militia, security of a free State thing.