DOJ Releases Carter Page FISA Applications

originally posted by: Xcathdra

originally posted by: carewemust
Holy Smokes...50% blacked out.

I'll wait for the real one.

The application makes many charges against Carter Page and yet he has never been charged. Never mind the fact he was an asset for a US alphabet agency.

Many "charges have been made" against Hillary too. But she's never been charged/indicted.

What confuses me is how does this October 2016 Carter Page FISA application (plus renewals) fit with the pre-October 2016 human spying on Trump/Trump campaign, using Stephen Halper, and whomever else?

WHAT authorized the Spying before October 2016?

nypost.com... so i guess its finally confirmed that the DNC paid steel for the dossier ? or am i reading this wrong?

The supporting documentation is so thoroughly redacted as to be virtually incomprehensible, but appears to rely heavily on a dossier compiled by former British spy Christopher Steele, who was paid by the Democratic National Committee and the Hillary Clinton campaign for the work. Page, who has denied the FBI’s conclusions, has not been charged as a result of the FBI’s year-long surveillance effort against him.

The New York Times and other news outlets obtained the applications through a Freedom of Information Act lawsuit.

How were News Outlets able to get these FISA applications, but AFAIK, Congressional Investigators couldn't get them from the DOJ, after over a year of trying?

I see Democrats are trying to split hairs by making comparisons that dont exist. An important point - Steele, regardless of how "trustworthy" the FBI thinks he is, is not the originator of the info contained in the memo. The info came from anonymous "russian sources".

The article below dismantles Democratic talking points.


Jerry Nadler’s Leaked Rebuttal of the Nunes Memo Is Very Weak

Representative Jerrold Nadler of New York, the senior Democrat on the House Intelligence Committee, has written a six-page response to the FISA-abuse memo published Friday by the committee’s Republican staffers under the direction of Chairman Devin Nunes (R., Calif.).

I won’t get sidetracked by the fact that Nadler’s “Dear Democratic Colleague” letter has been “exclusively obtained” by NBC News — i.e., that it was leaked to the media, whereas the so-called Nunes memo was provided to committee Democrats before publication so they could seek changes. The Nunes memo had to be subjected to a rules-based process because of classified-information issues. The Nadler memo does not seem to contain classified information; it just responds to what the Republicans have produced, which is now public record.

I don’t agree with Jerry Nadler’s politics, but he is an able lawyer. What surprises me about his retort is how weak it is.

He posits four points, the last two of which are strictly political red meat. Of the other two, one provides an inaccurate explanation of the probable-cause standard in the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA); the other is an ill-conceived argument about Christopher Steele’s credibility. The latter provides a welcome opportunity to confront a wayward theory — which I’ll call “vicarious credibility” — that has been vigorously argued by apologists for the FBI and Justice Department’s handling of the Steele dossier.

Let’s take the easy stuff first — Nadler’s last two contentions.

click link for article...



McCarthy: Steele's reputation is irrelevant, it's his anonymous sources that needed vetting


Not to mention the lies contained in the application. Steele was fired by the FBI when he released the dossier to the media. No where in any of the applications does it disclose this fact.

originally posted by: carewemust

The New York Times and other news outlets obtained the applications through a Freedom of Information Act lawsuit.

How were News Outlets able to get these FISA applications, but AFAIK, Congressional Investigators couldn't get them from the DOJ, after over a year of trying?

Easy - by granting the FISA release to media outlets Democrats can then try and tailor their response and control the news cycle before Republicans can put together a response. We already see it with that way certain people on the left are complaining about the exact same points, one of which accuses Nunes and Republicans of distorting info in the FISA memo they released earlier this year.

Regardless of how much spin or lies the left puts out they cant escape the fact the dossier was used as the basis for the FISA warrant, they lied in the FISA warrant application by failing to disclose information regarding the source and they lied by trying to pass the info off as coming directly from Steele when in reality it did not. They did not comply with the woods protocol either requiring the info to be verified.

Now we know why Democrats have been screaming as loud as they can lately. Their house of cards just collapsed. Given the information that has come out about Brennan leaking the info to the media so the FBUIU could t6hen use the media reports to bolster their claims by making it look like other sources unrelated have the same info coupled with his constant push on the FBI to investigate...

Me thinks there is a good chance Brennan might be heading to prison. There is no way they can spin their way out of the mess and web of lies they created.

It just came home to roost.

a reply to: carewemust

I am with you.

It would be foolish to try and discuss a document that is half missing.

Fear and propaganda is the only thing that can come of this.

a reply to: Xcathdra

Agreed........

If this investigation is allowed to stand and if ANY unrelated indictments are allowed to stand, then it effectively means that politicians, intelligence services and the media can conspire to have the entire lives of anyone who opposes them put under investigation. Tyranny.

Spy on an opponent by embedding assets into their campaigns/business.
Pass information to external sources to make it look like they had come to you.
Cobble together circumstantial evidence and make simple meetings or conferences look like spying.
Leak information to the press.
Use press stories of the information leaked as verification.
Get a warrant for electronic spying.
Place target(s) under investigation.
Leak selective details about the investigation and use it for politics.

That is what has happened here and it can be done to anyone - unless it is called out and stopped.

a reply to: Sublimecraft

Trump just weighed in......

originally posted by: Sublimecraft
a reply to: Sublimecraft

Trump just weighed in......

Looking more & more like the Trump Campaign for President was illegally being spied upon (surveillance) for the political gain of Crooked Hillary Clinton and the DNC. Ask her how that worked out - she did better with Crazy Bernie. Republicans must get tough now. An illegal Scam! 956 replies 827 retweets 2,476 likes

He's right.

originally posted by: UKTruth
If this investigation is allowed to stand and if ANY unrelated indictments are allowed to stand, then it effectively means that politicians, intelligence services and the media can conspire to have the entire lives of anyone who opposes them put under investigation. Tyranny.

From two of the three horses mouth:

originally posted by: SgtHamsandwich

originally posted by: UKTruth
If this investigation is allowed to stand and if ANY unrelated indictments are allowed to stand, then it effectively means that politicians, intelligence services and the media can conspire to have the entire lives of anyone who opposes them put under investigation. Tyranny.

From two of the three horses mouth:

Sure seems like that so called leader enjoyed running thru his mind the various torture methods he would use. I am not a mind reader but body language.

Best part about it is it is true and we need to correct that. This isn't a Kingdom it is a Republic that is built on fairness of justice and the opportunity to obtain it legally while allowing personal freedoms.

originally posted by: Sublimecraft
a reply to: Xcathdra

Agreed........

Even more important,
Looks who's name ISN'T there.....Adm. Mike Rodgers of the NSA.

a reply to: Xcathdra


The weeds are quite deep for the many families just returning from vacations. We need another one of those Congressional press conferences, with the heads of the Intel committees, speaking as eloquently and forcefully as YOU are right now.

a reply to: Sublimecraft


I thought the New York Times forced release of these FISA applications? Not Judicial Watch.

originally posted by: RalagaNarHallas
nypost.com... so i guess its finally confirmed that the DNC paid steel for the dossier ? or am i reading this wrong?

The supporting documentation is so thoroughly redacted as to be virtually incomprehensible, but appears to rely heavily on a dossier compiled by former British spy Christopher Steele, who was paid by the Democratic National Committee and the Hillary Clinton campaign for the work. Page, who has denied the FBI’s conclusions, has not been charged as a result of the FBI’s year-long surveillance effort against him.

This was known ages ago.
A Republican group first hired the company that employed Steele because the GOP didn't like Donald Trump. Then, when it looked like he would be the nominee, they ceased their support. A Democratic group then started funding the consulting firm.

a reply to: Greven

Yes, the new information is that steele was paid by the FBI, despite comey saying he wasn't. Yet more perjury by comey.

Ok so I gotta admit I dont jnow much about this Carter Page guy. I try not to get too deep into political debates so please someone explain this to me. I though I remembered reading something on ATS before about Carter Page's name was exposed in another court case as "Informant 1" or something. I remember reading that his name was revealed to be a paid FBI informant in that case???? Am I wrong?

If so then that means the FBI planted their paid informant with Trump Campaign then took out a FISA warrant on that same Paid Informant to get wiretap/survailance approval for Tump Campaign/Trump Tower????

I guess thats a convenient way to be assured you are guaranteed that FISA warrant and then that Paid Informant will also go along 100% with whatever happens cause hes on your bankroll???

I could be way off, so apologies if i am. Just asking for clarity...
Thanks

a reply to: Jersey Devil

You are correct. Page was an informant on some russians in 2014. He was still part of the ongoing court case (as a witness) that didn't wrap up until march or april of 2016. The FBI then used his "russian contacts" to justify spying on him once he was part of the campaign. I haven't seen any direct evidence that he was planted, but knowing what they did with papadopolous, it isn't much of a stretch that he may have been.

At very least, the FBI lied to the FISA court about their knowledge of russia's interactions with page then used a warrant against him to spy on others in the campaign via the two hop rule.