National Election Integrity

a reply to: burdman30ott6

Seriously dude, the mental gymnastics required to turn everything under the sun into a conspiracy of Russians has got to be exhausting.

This does not appear to be a conspiracy. It appears to be factually correct.

a reply to: FyreByrd

Indeed. You posited that "Russians!", so I replied regarding a large US producer of voting machines that are nation-wide deployed there and have had "problems". You do see how this works, right?

originally posted by: introvert
a reply to: burdman30ott6

Seriously dude, the mental gymnastics required to turn everything under the sun into a conspiracy of Russians has got to be exhausting.

This does not appear to be a conspiracy. It appears to be factually correct.

The conspiracy angle here is "Russian investor is invested in election software used in Maryland, so the system is obviously compromised,"

I'm honestly torn here... as an isolationist, I want to agree "Yep, kick all foreigners, investors included. out and lock down the system to prevent any foreign investment." as a realist, I know that won't happen and calls to do so directed at a country we're not presently at war with strike me as a bit dumb.

There has not been integrity in any US election since the first dollar bill was printed and the first lobbyist took it off the press and passed it under the table to the first politician he ran into.

originally posted by: FyreByrd

originally posted by: LightSpeedDriver
a reply to: FyreByrd

How about this US based company. Scroll down to the Controversies. Still Russians?

Chaning the subject?

It’s not exactly a complicated tactic — any grade-schooler can master the “yeah-well-you-suck-too-so-there” defense.

If the issue is National Election Integrity, as the title suggests, how is discussing rigged voting machines changing the subject?

National Election Integrity Step 1...
Voter ID.
End of requirements

a reply to: UKTruth

blockchain system so we can see the count live and from what districts

everyone gets a deposit in their national ID wallet on their cellphone and they use it to vote

a reply to: UKTruth

Welcome to Europe! (Netherlands here) I am not allowed to be in public without a valid state-mandated identity card. It is an offence that can get you fined. You also have to pay for the card, it's 50 euros for 5 years.

Papieren alstublieft...

a reply to: FyreByrd

I'll give you a chance to explain what you think the problem here is. Go for it.

originally posted by: LightSpeedDriver
a reply to: UKTruth

Welcome to Europe! (Netherlands here) I am not allowed to be in public without a valid state-mandated identity card. It is an offence that can get you fined. You also have to pay for the card, it's 50 euros for 5 years.

Papieren alstublieft...

In America we have a constitution which guarantees every citizen the right to vote without having to pay a poll tax. It's embarrassing how many forget that little bit and think the left simply don't want voter ID laws. Having to pay for an ID to vote, no matter the cost, is unconstitutional. In the case of free voter ID's making them unreasonably difficult to get isn't much better.

a reply to: burdman30ott6

The conspiracy angle here is "Russian investor is invested in election software used in Maryland, so the system is obviously compromised,"

I do not think anyone has said it is obviously compromised.

Perhaps I missed such a statement. Could you link it?

I'm honestly torn here... as an isolationist, I want to agree "Yep, kick all foreigners, investors included. out and lock down the system to prevent any foreign investment." as a realist, I know that won't happen and calls to do so directed at a country we're not presently at war with strike me as a bit dumb.

And as a realist it should at least raise an eyebrow for an individual to be invested in such things such as elections systems/servers, considering recent events that have evolved in regards to our elections.

originally posted by: Arnie123
Wow, another leftist thread and its ilk dismantled ☺️

So non-leftists are not in favor of open and transparent elections without interference from outside influenece (business, national, religious...)

So you don't care about accurate elections so long as you feel like a winner. Any principles at all?

originally posted by: network dude
a reply to: FyreByrd

I'll give you a chance to explain what you think the problem here is. Go for it.

Learn to read - it will help....

originally posted by: VictorVonDoom

originally posted by: FyreByrd

originally posted by: LightSpeedDriver
a reply to: FyreByrd

How about this US based company. Scroll down to the Controversies. Still Russians?

Chaning the subject?

It’s not exactly a complicated tactic — any grade-schooler can master the “yeah-well-you-suck-too-so-there” defense.

Because without being able to trust the veracity of your methods of registration, vote tabulation, system security and a fully (read PAPER) auditable vote trail - you cannot have confidence that the 'results' reflect the WILL OF THE VOTERS.

If the issue is National Election Integrity, as the title suggests, how is discussing rigged voting machines changing the subject?

a reply to: introvert

www.nbcnews.com...

In general, US Intel agencies have used the word "compromised" in virtually all alleged cases of Russian meddling. I'm not going to sit through the OP's hour+ long podcast listening for them to use the word "compromised," if that's the semantical game you're looking to play at.

Specialized solutions is a flatbed carrier
russian owned interstate heavy haul
frieght company out of Michigan.
Russians are a big part of america now.

REALLY!

a reply to: burdman30ott6

Clearly you are missing the point if you think this is about the use of the word "compromised".

I want to know where you got the claim about the conspiracy angle.

Who has said "Russian investor is invested in election software used in Maryland, so the system is obviously compromised", or anything similar to that, that would indicate an unfounded conspiracy on their part?

Considering recent events, ownership or connection by Russians to anything related to the US election system is a legitimate cause for concern, or at least worth looking in to. Not conspiracy.

a reply to: introvert

Our opinions differ.

originally posted by: burdman30ott6
a reply to: introvert

Our opinions differ.

It's not a matter of opinion.

You said: "The conspiracy angle here is "Russian investor is invested in election software used in Maryland, so the system is obviously compromised".

I wanted to know if that was something that was actually being pushed, or if it was something you made up as a form of a straw man.

It appears you made it up.

originally posted by: introvert

originally posted by: burdman30ott6
a reply to: introvert

Our opinions differ.

It's not a matter of opinion.

You said: "The conspiracy angle here is "Russian investor is invested in election software used in Maryland, so the system is obviously compromised".

I wanted to know if that was something that was actually being pushed, or if it was something you made up as a form of a straw man.

It appears you made it up.

There are a lot of straw man arguments here. They seem to never die.