Benefits System Attacks Families

Housing benefit if you rent from a family member

You may not be able to claim housing benefit if you pay rent to a family member or partner.

Housing benefit and living with family members

If you live with a close relative, you won't be able to get housing benefit, even if you are paying them rent

. A close relative is a:

husband or wife
civil partner
partner
parent or stepparent
father-in-law or mother-in-law
child or step-child
son-in-law or daughter-in-law
brother or
sister
brother-in-law or sister-in-law
partner of any of the above

https ://scotland.shelter.org.uk/get_advice/advice_topics/paying_for_a_home/housing_benefit/housing_benefit_if_you_rent_from_a_family_member

Basically , if you try to live with any family member , you will not be allowed any assistance or help with rent , even when you might need that assistance .

There is no explanation of why this is the case . Here's one view - those who determined these rules were deliberately attacking family ties , attacking the physical structure of families . Its been seen before that families are the strongest units in life , some of the largest most powerful businesses and organisations are family based , eg The Mafia , The Trumps , The Royal Family , The Clintons , The Rothschilds , The Triads , The Adams Family , Nike (The Knight family) Volkswagen , Samsung , Facebook , Roche , Novartis , Walmart (Walton family)

Attacking the physical structure of families disallows them even to start to collaborate to create family enterprises , it frees up the labour market into individuals who can be more easily exploited , it means that the cost of looking after the needs of family members (whatever they may be) is higher . It means that , unless they can afford it ,people's children MUST start alone in life , on their own , because they are not allowed to live with their family who raised them .

This is a dirty dirty system which is evil . If you work for it I suggest you stop doing so , and start doing something useful instead . Its hateful fascists who split up families for the sake of it , punishes people who still have economic needs despite the theft which went before them . Its typical of the scum in government and state who imagine this rule could be somehow seen as fair . We should demand an explanation of why the aforegoing rules on housing benefits are applied . It is blatant , disgusting discrimination against families , and you politicians and state monkeys are not worth spit when this is the case . Shame on you !

a reply to: ZIPMATT

I agree with your sentiment that the family structure needs help.

I don't know about your area but where I live they put these rules in place because people were working the system and doing very shady things. For example, this isn't assistance, but if you do a short sale on a house you have to be arms length ( not related) to your buyers. They didn't want people selling it dirt cheap to a relative only to live or buy it back cheaply. If they didn't have that clause everyone would do it.

a reply to: JAGStorm

I can't see any reason they should meddle with anyone's economic affairs purely on the basis of who your relatives are .

This rule says 'if you cant afford to live with someone who counts as your family , you can't live with your family" .

That is effectively chronic harassment of families , or in other words , molestation of them .

Families are supposed to take care of other family members in need when they can. You shouldn't be paid to do it, if you are doing it for money then you are doing it for all the wrong reasons.

It is like going out with a supersized check, calling the press so you get publicity as you donate to a worthy cause when it should done without praise.

That word "fascist" is quickly becoming a joke since it is now okay to use it to describe anything or anyone we disagree with. No one says you cannot live together as a family unit, combine your incomes and share expenses.

Just don't expect to be paid to ACT like a family, actually be one and offer help when needed and when the helped are in a better situation then they should reciprocate and rejuvenate the family.

No one deserves to be paid to ACT like family, you either are or you are not, it doesn't make someone a fascist for not enriching others. That is ridiculous and wrong.

it makes perfect sense to me

stop all the handouts and the market will have to actually pay wages that lift people out of poverty or no one will work for those companies

as it stands right now a company like Wal-Mart relies on these subsidies to continue to pay it's employees the lowest wages. take away the subsidies and suddenly Wal-Mart has no employees

see how that works?

a reply to: ZIPMATT

If you don't want people to meddle in your affairs, then don't apply for assistance, pay your own way. Problem solved.

If you require others or the government to help, get ready for some conditions or meddling. I don't think this is abusive in any way, if anything it is preventing the abuse of public tax money.

What kind of family system do you have if they won't let you live there if you are in dire need? It's not the government's fault you have a greedy family!

a reply to: DJMSN

Housing benefit and living with family members If you live with a close relative, you won't be able to get housing benefit, even if you are paying them rent

This is a decree designed by fascist dictators to forcibly suppress family cohesion

Fascism is a form of radical authoritarian ultranationalism, characterized by dictatorial power, forcible suppression of opposition and control of industry and commerce,

Put another way , if you don't live with your familiy (mum, dad , daughter or son etc) but would like to ... forget it . They wont help you if you want to live in the same house , as someone who is your relative .
Substitute' fascists' for' evil family molester monsters' if it suits the facts better .

originally posted by: ZIPMATT
There is no explanation of why this is the case .

Really? It's fairly obvious why they enacted this. It prevents people from gaming the system. All one would have to do is file for housing assistance, then tell their spouse "OK, you file too and we'll say you're paying me rent. and hey, while we're at it, let's also have Aunt Gertrude who's living with us since her stroke file as well." Bing bam boom, the household just got THREE rent checks courtesy of the tax payer.

People need to get jobs and take personal responsibility. There should be no tax payer funded "benefit" to simply existing. That would end all of this horsecrap real quick.

originally posted by: toysforadults

as it stands right now a company like Wal-Mart relies on these subsidies to continue to pay it's employees the lowest wages. take away the subsidies and suddenly Wal-Mart has no employees

see how that works?

No. Show me.

originally posted by: ZIPMATT
a reply to: JAGStorm

I can't see any reason they should meddle with anyone's economic affairs

Let me ask you this, is living off of the tax payer's taxes considered "meddling with someone's economic affairs" to you? Isn't the basic fact that people are living off of the earnings of others already a form of economic meddling? If not, then you're views on this are extremely lopsided and entitled. However, if you agree with me, then well... simple solution, anyone who cries "Oh, they're meddling in my economic affairs!" needs to extract themselves from the handout system and take full control of (and responsibility for) their own economic affairs ASAP.

a reply to: ZIPMATT

There is enough fraud already in the socialist programs which came about as a result of the Great Depression. There is no hope for the next generation and what we know today as the United States will become a Socialist Dictatorship and eventually be classified as a third world nation.

originally posted by: ZIPMATT
a reply to: DJMSN

Housing benefit and living with family members If you live with a close relative, you won't be able to get housing benefit, even if you are paying them rent

This is a decree designed by fascist dictators to forcibly suppress family cohesion

Fascism is a form of radical authoritarian ultranationalism, characterized by dictatorial power, forcible suppression of opposition and control of industry and commerce,

That's going a bit overboard... lol

In America, lots of people just don't get married so the husband can buy the house, the wife (or civil partner) pays the husband rent and gets paid by the government to do so.

She can also be paid child support by the husband and the husband can turn around and qualify for benefits too if the child support is high enough. While they live together and have the same money.

In this same situation, the wife now has an EBT card and SNAP benefits for any children because she is legally single.

Then she can work a few hundred hours a year to qualify for earned income credit on her taxes.

Although the father can then claim any children over the two she claimed on income tax because he is head of household and receive a nice chunk of cash as well.

You can easily make 10k a year in income tax credits... so you are being paid more than you are paying in taxes.

It is a way of milking the system.

As mentioned in this thread, if you don't like the government in your business then simply don't live off of it.

a reply to: schuyler

show you what?

a reply to: toysforadults

How is Wal-Mart subsidized? They may take advantage of lax tax laws but no one buys the goods they stick the shelves with, they pay above the minimum wage and provide jobs for millions. Explain any subsidies they receive and explain how providing jobs for communities is not good.

originally posted by: DJMSN
a reply to: ZIPMATT

There is enough fraud already in the socialist programs which came about as a result of the Great Depression. There is no hope for the next generation and what we know today as the United States will become a Socialist Dictatorship and eventually be classified as a third world nation.

Nah.. it will eventually collapse economically, get rid of the cancer that is Progressivism and reboot, without having to worry about any of Hegel's dreams anymore.

We've plenty of resources... we just need citizens with their heads screwed on straight.

Nothing does that better than hunger.

Let's clear this up - you can get housing benefit help easily , if you're not paid enough , or jobless

but the only real rule is

You dont get to live with your family and claim it . You must live alone if you require monetary assistance for rent .

How on earth is that fair ? If that is not a direct attack upon family cohesion , I'll eat my hat !

a reply to: ZIPMATT


Maybe they should do that in the U.S. Let us see how it affects Scotland first.

It's a dog eat dog world. What I gather from most of the replies here is this:

If you don't have the ability to, or the intent to, work yourself to the bone till the day you die.. then get in the gutter, and away from everyone, and die alone, unnoticed, because we don't care.

alas.. the village is full of cannibals.

Have a case example : Joe and 2 'friends' can put together a deposit , rent a 3 bedroom house , and claim housing benefit assistance to clear the rent if one or all of them cannot afford it .

BUT Joe and his son and daughter , who are now of working age CANNOT rent a 3 bedroom house , because they CANNOT claim housing benefit assistance to clear the rent if one or all of them cannot afford it .

And now Joe and his son and his daughter , are living in separate houses , each alone , without each other SIMPLY BECAUSE THEY ARE FAMILY . If they now wanted to start a family business to pay the rent , they must do so from separate accomodation paying 3 separate rents . They can't do anything a shared family home may enable , BECAUSE THEY ARE FAMILY

If its not plain discrimination against families , then what is it ?

originally posted by: toysforadults
a reply to: schuyler

show you what?

Show me how "that works." Show me what you said. Show me how "taking away WalMart's subsidies (what subsidies, exactly?) results in "no employees." Do you have examples of where that has happened? Formulas? Recognized principles in economics? Anything?