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originally posted by: Bluntone22
a reply to: Kharron
These decades of overspending are going to bite us in the butt soon.
originally posted by: Kharron
originally posted by: Bluntone22
a reply to: Kharron
These decades of overspending are going to bite us in the butt soon.
They will, bigly. The truth is our economy is on approximately a 10 year cycle, and we enter a small recession ever so often. If you check all those numbers, whether one likes Obama or not, he dug us out in 2008/2009. He was in office for 8 years and rode out most of that decade before things start going down again. So I'm saying things were naturally starting to go down even under Obama.
The issue is, Trump is doing nothing to make the numbers better and his spending is extreme. He may push what would be a natural recession into a much bigger one, or even a depression. The deficit is accelerating very steeply over the last couple of years.
originally posted by: face23785
a reply to: Kharron
I can't wait for the "damn tax cuts" posts, which will completely ignore that the tax cuts only marginally raised the deficit. It was already #ing huge. And it's yet to be seen if the "cost" of the tax cuts will be offset by economic growth. CBO said that wouldn't happen, but they only projected 1.8% growth and it's going to be well over that. More growth equals more tax revenue.
originally posted by: Kharron
originally posted by: face23785
a reply to: Kharron
I can't wait for the "damn tax cuts" posts, which will completely ignore that the tax cuts only marginally raised the deficit. It was already #ing huge. And it's yet to be seen if the "cost" of the tax cuts will be offset by economic growth. CBO said that wouldn't happen, but they only projected 1.8% growth and it's going to be well over that. More growth equals more tax revenue.
More growth, less taxes, we'll see how it plays out.
The tariffs and their impact are largely guesses at this point also and that will affect the numbers for next year mostly, however it may have some effect on the last couple of fiscal months of this year too.
If this year ends with $800b or larger deficit, we can't pretend any more or many will suffer... again.
originally posted by: face23785
originally posted by: Kharron
originally posted by: face23785
a reply to: Kharron
I can't wait for the "damn tax cuts" posts, which will completely ignore that the tax cuts only marginally raised the deficit. It was already #ing huge. And it's yet to be seen if the "cost" of the tax cuts will be offset by economic growth. CBO said that wouldn't happen, but they only projected 1.8% growth and it's going to be well over that. More growth equals more tax revenue.
More growth, less taxes, we'll see how it plays out.
The tariffs and their impact are largely guesses at this point also and that will affect the numbers for next year mostly, however it may have some effect on the last couple of fiscal months of this year too.
If this year ends with $800b or larger deficit, we can't pretend any more or many will suffer... again.
I really don't expect this to turn into a full-blown trade war. Most of the countries we're dicking with simply can't afford to get into a trade fight with us. They don't want to cave too easily, but eventually most of them are going to give in. We won't get completely balanced trade, but we'll make some gains. That will give us even more revenue.
originally posted by: Kharron
originally posted by: face23785
originally posted by: Kharron
originally posted by: face23785
a reply to: Kharron
I can't wait for the "damn tax cuts" posts, which will completely ignore that the tax cuts only marginally raised the deficit. It was already #ing huge. And it's yet to be seen if the "cost" of the tax cuts will be offset by economic growth. CBO said that wouldn't happen, but they only projected 1.8% growth and it's going to be well over that. More growth equals more tax revenue.
More growth, less taxes, we'll see how it plays out.
The tariffs and their impact are largely guesses at this point also and that will affect the numbers for next year mostly, however it may have some effect on the last couple of fiscal months of this year too.
If this year ends with $800b or larger deficit, we can't pretend any more or many will suffer... again.
I really don't expect this to turn into a full-blown trade war. Most of the countries we're dicking with simply can't afford to get into a trade fight with us. They don't want to cave too easily, but eventually most of them are going to give in. We won't get completely balanced trade, but we'll make some gains. That will give us even more revenue.
In an ideal world, where everything goes well and everyone caves and we win, that would happen. We can hope, right? If, in October, when we get the numbers for the whole year, we see that the deficit has increased to $800-900b, a 40-50% increase over the previous year and a 100% increase over a couple of years ago... then we can safely stop hoping for the best and start acting on preventing it.
I think we should demand changes now, but I think it will take the shell shock of the October report until some start realizing what's happening.
originally posted by: face23785
originally posted by: Kharron
originally posted by: face23785
originally posted by: Kharron
originally posted by: face23785
a reply to: Kharron
I can't wait for the "damn tax cuts" posts, which will completely ignore that the tax cuts only marginally raised the deficit. It was already #ing huge. And it's yet to be seen if the "cost" of the tax cuts will be offset by economic growth. CBO said that wouldn't happen, but they only projected 1.8% growth and it's going to be well over that. More growth equals more tax revenue.
More growth, less taxes, we'll see how it plays out.
The tariffs and their impact are largely guesses at this point also and that will affect the numbers for next year mostly, however it may have some effect on the last couple of fiscal months of this year too.
If this year ends with $800b or larger deficit, we can't pretend any more or many will suffer... again.
I really don't expect this to turn into a full-blown trade war. Most of the countries we're dicking with simply can't afford to get into a trade fight with us. They don't want to cave too easily, but eventually most of them are going to give in. We won't get completely balanced trade, but we'll make some gains. That will give us even more revenue.
In an ideal world, where everything goes well and everyone caves and we win, that would happen. We can hope, right? If, in October, when we get the numbers for the whole year, we see that the deficit has increased to $800-900b, a 40-50% increase over the previous year and a 100% increase over a couple of years ago... then we can safely stop hoping for the best and start acting on preventing it.
I think we should demand changes now, but I think it will take the shell shock of the October report until some start realizing what's happening.
I'm not sure it will be much of a shellshock, will it? Everyone knew the deficit this year was going to be in the high hundreds of billions. It's projected to be up above a trillion in the next few years. Obviously that's unsustainable. The interest on the debt is already something like 7% of our annual budget, and it's only getting bigger. It's projected to pass defense spending by like 2028, give or take a year or two depending on who's doing the projection. I definitely agree we need to get our spending under control. We need to make some hard choices with restructuring domestic programs. Everyone just wants to cut military spending like that will fix everything, but one of the things I explain here is that military spending is not the main thing driving our deficits, and there's only so much we can cut it realistically. Even if you cut military spending to zero, we're still running a deficit. We must cut domestic spending somewhere.
originally posted by: bigfatfurrytexan
Coming from an accountant...until those numbers recieve an annual audit, im just assuming its all made up.
originally posted by: Kharron
originally posted by: Bluntone22
a reply to: Kharron
These decades of overspending are going to bite us in the butt soon.
They will, bigly. The truth is our economy is on approximately a 10 year cycle, and we enter a small recession ever so often. If you check all those numbers, whether one likes Obama or not, he dug us out in 2008/2009. He was in office for 8 years and rode out most of that decade before things start going down again. So I'm saying things were naturally starting to go down even under Obama.
The issue is, Trump is doing nothing to make the numbers better and his spending is extreme. He may push what would be a natural recession into a much bigger one, or even a depression. The deficit is accelerating very steeply over the last couple of years.
originally posted by: Middleoftheroad
Major cuts need to happen across the board if we were to attempt to fix our deficit.
Here is a list of things I think would help.
Reduce our military footprint, "protecting" the whole world isn't sustainable.
Remove all Corporate welfare. If they can't make it as a business without a government handout they don't deserve to be in business.
Major cuts to foreign aid and social services.
Stop the War on Terrorism and just defend our country with strict immigration laws.
The rampant illegal immigration also hurts our economy more than most want to admit. It suppresses wages, which ties into how much the federal gov pulls in on taxes. It also burdens the system by detaining them, court processes, social services programs, etc.
There are so many other things that need to be fixed I'd be here all day listing them but in my opinion, those are the big-ticket items.
originally posted by: Kharron
originally posted by: face23785
originally posted by: Kharron
originally posted by: face23785
originally posted by: Kharron
originally posted by: face23785
a reply to: Kharron
I can't wait for the "damn tax cuts" posts, which will completely ignore that the tax cuts only marginally raised the deficit. It was already #ing huge. And it's yet to be seen if the "cost" of the tax cuts will be offset by economic growth. CBO said that wouldn't happen, but they only projected 1.8% growth and it's going to be well over that. More growth equals more tax revenue.
More growth, less taxes, we'll see how it plays out.
The tariffs and their impact are largely guesses at this point also and that will affect the numbers for next year mostly, however it may have some effect on the last couple of fiscal months of this year too.
If this year ends with $800b or larger deficit, we can't pretend any more or many will suffer... again.
I really don't expect this to turn into a full-blown trade war. Most of the countries we're dicking with simply can't afford to get into a trade fight with us. They don't want to cave too easily, but eventually most of them are going to give in. We won't get completely balanced trade, but we'll make some gains. That will give us even more revenue.
In an ideal world, where everything goes well and everyone caves and we win, that would happen. We can hope, right? If, in October, when we get the numbers for the whole year, we see that the deficit has increased to $800-900b, a 40-50% increase over the previous year and a 100% increase over a couple of years ago... then we can safely stop hoping for the best and start acting on preventing it.
I think we should demand changes now, but I think it will take the shell shock of the October report until some start realizing what's happening.
I'm not sure it will be much of a shellshock, will it? Everyone knew the deficit this year was going to be in the high hundreds of billions. It's projected to be up above a trillion in the next few years. Obviously that's unsustainable. The interest on the debt is already something like 7% of our annual budget, and it's only getting bigger. It's projected to pass defense spending by like 2028, give or take a year or two depending on who's doing the projection. I definitely agree we need to get our spending under control. We need to make some hard choices with restructuring domestic programs. Everyone just wants to cut military spending like that will fix everything, but one of the things I explain here is that military spending is not the main thing driving our deficits, and there's only so much we can cut it realistically. Even if you cut military spending to zero, we're still running a deficit. We must cut domestic spending somewhere.
I think it will be a shell shock to many. I don't remember any of the 2016 campaign promises about a coming recession. People are expecting growth and better money and better trade, so if we get a recession, loss of homes and jobs -- I think many will be very surprised.
It won't be for me, because I've been realizing this for the past few months, or to you, but to many voters and supporters it will very much come as a shock.
We need to keep a close eye on these numbers, disregard whatever politicians say, on either side, and focus only on the numbers. If the trend continues, we need to become VERY vocal before it's too late.
originally posted by: OccamsRazor04
a reply to: Kharron
It requires both parties to fix. It will never happen, they will walk us over the edge.