'Time warp' discovered by paranormal investigator outside of Las Vegas

a reply to: Shadoefax
I can attest to the occurrence of time dilation in Nevada, Las Vegas to be precise: I walked into a casino about 10pm, played blackjack for what seemed an eternity, met some lovely young ladies who spoke of 'good time', which I assumed had some beneficial temporal significance, and regained consciousness days later just off the Kyle Canyon Rd. I cannot give an exact time as my Rolex was missing, as was my wallet and most of my clothing. Maybe this had something to do with only organic materials being able to traverse time warps/slips.

originally posted by: Krahzeef_Ukhar
a reply to: Shadoefax

This is actually a great example of how much we appeal to authority.

If Krauss or Degrasse Tyson said this we'd all be a little moist, but because some guy without any credentials says it we dismiss them automatically.

I stand by my dismissal but I would so love to be wrong.

Even if Neil or Lawrence said that , I would still not believe in the least.
Now , if they said it was theoretically possible ?
But they would not , as it is not even theoretically possible.

a reply to: ChaoticOrder

I agree!

Stand next to a pyramid and you will age slower because of the gravitational force however the measurements are at quantum levels of meaningless as far as we are concerned.

a reply to: Gothmog

Anything is theoretically possible.

Perhaps a hyper dense meteor hit right there and that is causing the weirdness.
It's theoretically possible.

I don't believe for a second that is the case but you can't dismiss it because it is impossible.
You can dismiss it because you don't understand it.
Or you can dismiss it because it's a charlatan PR scam.
There's countless good reasons to dismiss it.

Theoretical impossibility isn't one of them.

a reply to: Krahzeef_Ukhar

Yes but the guy is talking in microseconds, it seems there may be enough variance in the gravitational field around the Earth that very small differences in the flow of time may be measured, even the position of the Moon relative to Earth should make a very small difference.

originally posted by: Krahzeef_Ukhar
a reply to: Gothmog

Anything is theoretically possible.

Perhaps a hyper dense meteor hit right there and that is causing the weirdness.
It's theoretically possible.

I don't believe for a second that is the case but you can't dismiss it because it is impossible.
You can dismiss it because you don't understand it.
Or you can dismiss it because it's a charlatan PR scam.
There's countless good reasons to dismiss it.

Theoretical impossibility isn't one of them.

How is it possible ?
One would have to have near zero knowledge of Physics ( theoretical or otherwise) to believe something like that is possible....
You would have to start with the pure amount of gravitational or electromagnetic energy required to produce this in even a small area
Would that area cease to exist - Yes

a reply to: Gothmog

Really?
Are you saying that a tiny super dense meteor couldn't cause a tiny discrepancy?

I thought that would be massively, massively, massively unlikely...
but possible.

originally posted by: Krahzeef_Ukhar
a reply to: Gothmog

Really?
Are you saying that a tiny super dense meteor couldn't cause a tiny discrepancy?

I thought that would be massively, massively, massively unlikely...
but possible.

Yes. Yes I am. A tiny , super dense anything would most likely take out the world....
No matter how tiny
You knew that , right ?
Was that "sarcasm" ?
Sorry for channeling Sheldon
Dang , I sure hope so.

originally posted by: ChaoticOrder
a reply to: Krahzeef_Ukhar

Yes but the guy is talking in microseconds, it seems there may be enough variance in the gravitational field around the Earth that very small differences in the flow of time may be measured, even the position of the Moon relative to Earth should make a very small difference.

What's a microsecond?
Without looking it up do you know?

I don't.

a reply to: Blue Shift

you already did; you stopped yourself from not, not logging on to ATS today

a reply to: Gothmog

Surely it depends on the density doesn't it?

Mass effects time.
Suggesting something with mass could impact time isn't silly enough to assume I'm being sarcastic.

Is it?

a reply to: Krahzeef_Ukhar

Yes, it's one thousandth of a millisecond, like a microgram to a milligram. I have to know this stuff as a programmer, also I don't live in the U.S. so I'm familiar with the metric system, lol.

originally posted by: Krahzeef_Ukhar
a reply to: Gothmog

Surely it depends on the density doesn't it?

Mass effects time.
Suggesting something with mass could impact time isn't silly enough to assume I'm being sarcastic.

Is it?

How dense would it have to be ?
The gravitational field of the sun just barely , and I mean barely , affects the space/time fabric.
How dense would an object have to be to have that same gravitational effect ?
A black hole (gravity well) seriously affects the space/time fabric.
How dense is the "singularity" at the center of a black hole ? Near infinite ?
And , now your questions have been answered , and I am exonerated from any further response
Fulfilled my allegiance to ATS for today.
"Deny Ignorance"


Crap , my responsibility hasnt ended yet.
Your greatest mistake so far...(and my greatest omission . Getting old , I reckon)

It is not density that matters at all
It is pure mass
Density cannot effect the space/time fabric at all
Gravity comes from mass , not from relative density.

The way the article describes the "differential time rate meter" it sounds like a TDR meter connected to a 100 foot cable.

Presumably if a "time warp" were encountered anywhere along the path of the cable, the reflection time of the signal would change accordingly.

However, I think that a copper wire could be susceptible to interference of a non-temporal nature that could skew the measurements. Better to use fiber optics.

-dex

a reply to: ChaoticOrder

Nice!!!!

And whilst I appreciate the jab, it's misguided.
It does show clearly that I don't understand metric.

But that's due to my ignorance, not my birthplace.
No matter how many NBA jerseys I wear I've still never set foot in the US.

originally posted by: starwarsisreal
a reply to: Shadoefax

In Germany, there was a mountain called Untersberg and supposedly someone went there and met SS Nazi soldiers that were trapped in a time warp.

Wolf claimed that he actually went to the mountain with a friend and actively searched for these time slips, actually finding some locations where their watches would diverge by seconds or minutes. After exploring more of the area, Wolf says that they came across a group of men living in one of the many caves of the mountain, and that these people claimed to be SS soldiers from World War II, still young and under the command of the notorious SS general Hans Kammler. Bizarrely, the alleged soldiers appeared to have had no idea that so many years had passed, and seemed to truly believe that the war had ended only months before. Wolf then ascertains that the cave they had been hiding out in displays a major temporal anomaly, with time passing by at a much slower pace within its confines.

mysteriousuniverse.org...

Ummm... if this person went there and met time warped soldiers from WW2, how did this person return back without being trapped there themselves?

originally posted by: Gothmog
Fulfilled my allegiance to ATS for today.
"Deny Ignorance"

This is the only thing I can argue with.
Firstly you are correct, if the sun couldn't cause 20 microseconds then a marble of magic rock couldn't cause it either without dramatic effects we would have realised already.

But...
Denying ignorance is the problem not the solution.

I am trusting your opinion because rather than denying ignorance I embrace it.
We need to accept our ignorance if we hope to learn.

originally posted by: Krahzeef_Ukhar

originally posted by: Gothmog
Fulfilled my allegiance to ATS for today.
"Deny Ignorance"

This is the only thing I can argue with.
Firstly you are correct, if the sun couldn't cause 20 microseconds then a marble of magic rock couldn't cause it either without dramatic effects we would have realised already.

But...
Denying ignorance is the problem not the solution.

I am trusting your opinion because rather than denying ignorance I embrace it.
We need to accept our ignorance if we hope to learn.

Ignorance is not a bad term.
It just means lack of information
Now , you are informed
ATS' motto is "Deny Ignorance"
I did.

a reply to: Blue Shift

20 microseconds is an ETERNITY if this is true.

originally posted by: Gothmog
Ignorance is not a bad term.
It just means lack of information
Now , you are informed
ATS' motto is "Deny Ignorance"
I did.

Newton's theory of gravity is wrong!
It works to a point and then it falls apart.

Einstein's theory of relativity is wrong!
It works to a point and then it falls apart.

I agree that you are denying your ignorance as per the ATS charter.
It's nothing to be proud of.