Feminist have taught women that femininity is bad

originally posted by: toysforadults
a reply to: Vroomfondel

Isn't it weird that the pro diversity crowd also wants to end diversity?

that's that inversion of the truth I'm talking about... the crowd pushing diversity is doing everything it can to prove we are all the same, there is no gender and no race there's no differences... but diversity

inversion ^^^

Whatever they cry about the loudest is what they themselves are most guilty of.

originally posted by: andy06shake
a reply to: amazing

So why the disparity in pay if all Woman can do a Mans job and vice versa?

In an ideal world we are all equal, but in this one, equality remains to be seen.

I actually agree with you, but politically correct crap aside, TPTB and most of the rest of the planet sure don't even if they say they do.

I think basically it's because that's always how it's been. Some things like this are slow to change, but it is changing.

3rd wave feminism is impacting women and men negatively as a whole. It trys to erode the very genetic differences that make women and men compatible because there is no oppression of women in the west. Turns men into soy boys and women into single mothers. Thus perpetuating the cycle of soy boyary and government dependency.

Feminists have been largely in charge now for a few decades. They educate our children, make our entertainment and policies(immigration included). So if feminism is so cohesive to a utopian society then someone please explain to me where this violence we now see stems from. School shootings almost never happened till the late 90's. Yet all these weapons have existed for decades. So what has changed? The marginalizing of little boys... That's what...

I also find the relationship with these feminists and Islam interesting. Feminists make easy targets for radicals or predators masquerading as a male feminist. The safest women on the planet is one with an egalitarian.

originally posted by: Dem0nc1eaner
Modern feminism seems to be about trying to convince women that the best way to be a strong woman, is to emulate a man.

A very astute observation. There is a partnership approach, which I equate with femininity. Strength through cooperation rather then strength though domination.

Peace or War. Which will it be.

the whole point of feminism is choice.
if a woman chooses to dress all in pink and be over girly - awesome
if a woman wants to shave all her hair off wear baggy mens clothes and drive a truck - awesome
if a woman wants to wear suits and get manicures and work in politics - awesome
if a woman wants to dress modestly - awesome
if a woman wants to stay home and care for children - awesome
if a woman dyes her hair blue wears a pussy hat - awesome

any one who says they are feminist but doesnt agree with any of the above they arent feminist.

true feminism also agrees with men being what they want be it a stay at home father, main provider or share both with their wives/partners


but i find it interesting recently on here the amount of anti feminism and pro women going back to the dark ages

originally posted by: JAY1980

Feminists have been largely in charge now for a few decades. They educate our children, make our entertainment and policies(immigration included). So if feminism is so cohesive to a utopian society then someone please explain to me where this violence we now see stems from. School shootings almost never happened till the late 90's. Yet all these weapons have existed for decades. So what has changed? The marginalizing of little boys... That's what...

i disagree, boys that age where working not t school, boys had the upper hand get a girl pregnant back then you married her or she disappeared into a laundry as a slave he went on as normal.
most boys before the last few generations where off fighting wars ww1, ww2, boer wars, war for independence, korean war, civil wars ect
plus violence isnt a new thing, its school shootings now but before that you had mob war, gang wars (most killings where young kids forced by older members), its just moved from organised crime to schools
they didnt have time to stew on modern issues they were at work from early ages, working long hour
socially its not just an easy oh women and girls are upsetting boys they kill if women/girls bowed down to boys then this wouldnt happen

a reply to: amazing

a reply to: kerrichin

but i find it interesting recently on here the amount of anti feminism and pro women going back to the dark ages

not sure what you are talking about but femininity would be feminine qualities not necessarily what she's doing with her life

like, caring, motherly, emotional, and whatever else we can come up with. I'm talking about women

Modern feminism seems to be about trying to convince women that the best way to be a strong woman, is to emulate a man.

but I bring up other related topics just generally discussing the current social paradigm from an analytical perspective, the people who automatically default to !feminist hate women blah blah are just incapable of this level of discussion

luckily there's a number of great members on both sides of the argument in this thread having a decent conversation, which is rare now

a reply to: FyreByrd

Knowing this world a bit of both with a healthy measure of hypocrisy ta boot.

Can some one please give me an understanding to what feminism really is?

Because I fear that feminism means that women hate me for being a man. When I have a conversation with a feminist or get to know one the energy I get from it feels that they hate me for a reason that I have absolutely no control over - just for being born a man. Is it true that feminist don't like me just because I was born male?

Because when I feel like I am being judged this way, it is always before they give me a chance to get to know me. They judge me for a man that they think I am, and not giving me a chance to explain my thoughts and opinions.

Or is it true that because I am a man, that feminists believe I am not equal to them?

I believe that men and women are equal as far as having a soul. But I believe no person is equal within the thoughts they have, for example some people are more educated than others so they cannot be called equal within their understanding. But I also believe that it is important for me not to look down on any person but to give them positive energy of love and not negative energy of hate no matter who they are, because hateful energy does not help anybody in any way.

I really do not like this feeling that says I am hated just for being me, so I hope somebody can reassure me that feminists do not think that way. I don't really want to start my own thread about this but hopefully somebody can help.

a reply to: MatterIsLight

I think hate has been growing rapidly in the world and people will jump on any bandwagon that suits them weather it be racism, feminism, socialism, ism, ism, ism

originally posted by: MatterIsLight
Can some one please give me an understanding to what feminism really is?

Because I fear that feminism means that women hate me for being a man. When I have a conversation with a feminist or get to know one the energy I get from it feels that they hate me for a reason that I have absolutely no control over - just for being born a man. Is it true that feminist don't like me just because I was born male?

Because when I feel like I am being judged this way, it is always before they give me a chance to get to know me. They judge me for a man that they think I am, and not giving me a chance to explain my thoughts and opinions.

Or is it true that because I am a man, that feminists believe I am not equal to them?

I believe that men and women are equal as far as having a soul. But I believe no person is equal within the thoughts they have, for example some people are more educated than others so they cannot be called equal within their understanding. But I also believe that it is important for me not to look down on any person but to give them positive energy of love and not negative energy of hate no matter who they are, because hateful energy does not help anybody in any way.

I really do not like this feeling that says I am hated just for being me, so I hope somebody can reassure me that feminists do not think that way. I don't really want to start my own thread about this but hopefully somebody can help.

Feminism just means women fighting for equality and equal rights. In the old days that meant the right to vote and wear pants in public. Now it can be pushing for equal pay etc.

It does not mean that women hate you and if some feminsts hate you or me, it doesn't matter it's a small minority. I'm not super handsome, rich or intelligent or even that cool, but I've never had a hard time dating women and I've never run across a situation where any women hating me had a negative effect on my life.

The same will be true for you. Don't buy into the hype. You're fine, You'll date lot's of women if you want to. You'll get married if you want to. And the only way a woman will negatively effect your life is if you let them.

Peace!

a reply to: amazing

Who are all these feminists people keep meeting? I don't know any outside of the internet.
UK women have equal rights, and all the women I know are strong and feel empowered.
Is it maybe just an internet thing these days, like the silly MGTOW movement? I don't know any whiny men like that outside of ATS.

Well, news reported that Trump's campaign promises etc. essentially boiled down to setting women back 100 years... whether that meant to take a look in a wait and see or take to the streets in protest? I cannot say.

Control over the sexual impulse is a better idea as humanity grows and develops... in self is of course the best option; law in place to control that of others; when state cannot separate church?

There is the time tunnel...

Looking at a globalist perspective and local perspective there is a meeting point between social and physical. The eyes always have it no matter how many neighs want to ride, just say no was always a good policy when offered something or a self one is no interested in.

Some have been known since then as a personal protest to Reagan era politics and took a say yes to everything approach...

Two worlds knows the inbetween and that is simply from the socio-political aspect which there are incalculable; and of course sociology as a species and psychology as a study of the mental physical aspects of the whole.

When Democracy is left to a yes or no... this is why odds make the decision and evens reach stalemate win or lose. Prime numbers is a good social scale of balance for the whole pyramid scheme found in economic systems as spreading the wealth... when a country is ran like a business; that is how health and welfare is dealt. When most of that capital is used abroad it has been outward expansion and ideals... this is where capital gains tax is supposed to come BACK into the system for social welfare of the people to re-empower them.

When that does not occur; women carry THAT burden being the carriers of human life. Not wanting to BE that burden when so many have fought and died they stand up in various ways with a firm NO as an entire group...

Stalemate... Can lead to stale bread. Which of course was the call to all of those HOARDING money. The reason being as it was becoming worthless on any scale except for the trading of currencies scale... of course that also builds and fractures as it becomes electronic; meaning fiat currency... which is why Bitcoin was launched and then later attacked as an electronic safe key or border to exchange.

It became so valuable that others of course wanted to make their own and fracture it; it was the trade key for the whole internet itself as a dark currency as things like Paypal are considered light currency as it flowed directly between arbitraited banking systems with treaty; and dark web currencies did not.

It is like saying gambling is illegal so someone plays a game to win a stuffed bear like at a fairground; then crosses the street or goes next door to cash it in. Bingo parlors play a spread... so what is the real difference? Lottery does that on a larger scale... of course where that money goes and flows and how it is taxed rated and prorated becomes a huge headache.

Living a simple life means; few means knowing one's needs. Knowing more than one's own needs means family. Associations etc of benefit...

Have to go as in sitting here, I have an orthopod family eating and crawling on me as if I am their city, that need taking care of.

Take care.

originally posted by: toysforadults
This is manifesting as an agenda to destroy the family unit and to destroy our communities and keep us divided

Never underestimate the money motive.

There is a subreddit called /r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen that jokes around about women who have horrible lifestyles who expect the perfect guy to swoop into their lives out of nowhere and magically make everything perfect. Today a story was posted about a married woman of six years who got bored and convinced her husband they should try an open marriage.



The OP later commented:

She recently came off her birth control, and I'm unsure if a surge of hormones might be at play here.

A lot of guys who have gone through hell with their wives cheating have noticed contraception seems to have an interesting effect on women. The pill places a woman in a state of pseudogravidity to prevent the build-up of the endometrium and retard implantation.

So the story goes the sort of man a woman is attracted to whilst on the pill is inherently effeminate because women instinctually seek female companionship during pregnancy to limit social interaction with physical threats, i.e. male combat, and because groups of females have more experience in the execution of successful fecundity.

Girls go on oral contraception usually long before they are even totally mature sexually and almost always go through mate selection whilst using it (unless they can't for medical complications). In the case of the past forty years, despite the precipitous decline in marriage and legitimate birth, it was still the norm over that period. Starting in with availability in the mid-sixties, you've had two generations of women selecting mates based on female physical and behavioral characteristics. The children of those women matured in the eighties and repeated the same mistakes. So here we are forty years later and girls swoon over boys that once upon a time would have been mistaken for barely pubescent girls. This might also explain why male testosterone levels have been dropping one percent per year since 1980.

A lot of the guys who've since divorced think this is also why women today so frequently cheat (women are cheating 40% more than they have in the past 3 decades) when they come off of the pill because they're 'ready' to have children. Their hormone levels normalize and suddenly they realize they aren't attracted to their partner and they go after more masculine men instead.

So here is where it gets to the part about "the money motive."

According to research from the University of Glasgow, “There has been increasing concern that the birth control pill might disrupt romantic relationships by altering women’s mate preferences, but our findings do not provide evidence of this,” lead researcher Benedict C. Jones said in a statement to EurekaAlert.

Most of the guys who have seen this change firsthand as their SOs come off the pill (myself included) were left puzzled hearing this. Why the difference? All you have to do is ask is yourself, "How much money does birth control bring in per year? How many subsidies are given for providing birth control to women?"

Turns out birth control is a huge business.

Data from Planned Parenthood Federation of America (PPFA) says that it has "almost 1.9 million contraceptive clients"(see: PPFA 1992 Annual Report, Page 3). 83% of these clients purchase oral contraceptives. If each of these 1,577,000 women purchase contraceptives an average of six times a year, and pay an average of $9 per cycle, then contraceptives will represent a total income to PPFA of $85,158,000. The profit to income ratio of PPDU's 1985 Form 990 was 0.7538. Using this ratio, you can calculate that contraceptive sales produce an annual profit exceeding $64,000,000 for PPFA.

There is probably a concern by companies like Bayer-Merck that if it came out that women were affected like this people would be less likely to purchase oral contraceptives, the focus would return to condoms, and their cash cow would no longer be subsidized by the government through orgs like Planned Parenthood.

a reply to: Mishmashum

wow!!!

very interesting post I'm looking into the birth control thing now, that deserves a thread of its own

originally posted by: toysforadults
a reply to: Mishmashum

wow!!!

very interesting post I'm looking into the birth control thing now, that deserves a thread of its own

There is a lot more to it, I will share more when I have some extra time.

a reply to: Mishmashum

Keep em coming. I also believe it's not just a female thing but I'm not able to analyze it going in the other direction, not from the perspective of the experience so I'm not as tuned in.

I think our social paradigm is essentially breaking down and this is just one aspect of it.

originally posted by: toysforadults
a reply to: Mishmashum
I think our social paradigm is essentially breaking down and this is just one aspect of it.

That is the prevailing view of the blackpill. There is always hope when people work to fix things.

a reply to: toysforadults

All birth control is free in the UK, from condoms to the coil and the pill.
The morning after pill is also free, and minors can access all services/products from their doctor without parental permission.
The UK is desperate to try and reduce teenage pregnancy rates, highest in the EU last time I checked.