Lets take a good look at other countries immigration Policy's Compare & contrast.

So with all the polarization going on and all the debating going on lets take a really good look at OTHER countries IMMIGRATION Policy's
Lets educate ourselves on how OPEN and accepting the US tax payer is towards housing and caring for Criminals that do not follow the law when entering this Country. Then understand WHY- free food & shelter & no beatings

Mexico:
Guatemala:
Honduras:
(Argentina, Bolivia, Brazil, Chile, Colombia, Ecuador, Guyana, Paraguay, Peru, Suriname, Uruguay, and Venezuela)

Anyone want to wiki these i've got to go but will be back TBC

a reply to: TheJesuit

Remember when those three American missionaries were detained in the desert for mistakenly crossing into a country they should not have been? Think they just were released in th last year or two. The female of the group is probably now a broken person because of her experiences.
I applaud this thread. Funny how IG report gets dropped and the “kids in cages” card is played right on cue. I mean no disrespect and yeah it isn’t a pretty situation at all. But get back to me on this story i mention (Believe it was Iraq/Syria maybe)if interested, or any other sovereign countries, then let’s talk. Doesn’t Mexico have a border wall with sniper towers and razor wire at their Southern end?

originally posted by: slatesteam

Funny how IG report gets dropped and the “kids in cages” card is played right on cue.

Oh now you've done it...

You've won todays Piano Wire Tonight Award!

a reply to: TheJesuit

This thread is going to be ridiculous.

a reply to: strongfp

However do you mean?

I think this could be a fantastic thread, i woukd love to know what ither countries policies are in this, to compare to ours.

All we hear is how bad ours is...they are breaking the daggon law! Why would you expect to be treated like a foreign prince when you knowingly break the law?

Anyways...love to see this thread continue

originally posted by: IgnoranceIsntBlisss
a reply to: strongfp

However do you mean?

Actually, I wouldn't mind knowing the answer to that question, as well.

originally posted by: IgnoranceIsntBlisss
a reply to: strongfp

However do you mean?

I get it, he or she is correct. It's going to be a bonanza of right vs left in epic proportions.

a reply to: Disenchanted1

Haven’t seen much of what you’re describing. Was generally hoping for a legit comparison of sovereign nations and how they patrol their respective borders.
The legal ramifications, the severity, etc.

So what do you mean left vs. right?

originally posted by: slatesteam
a reply to: Disenchanted1

Haven’t seen much of what you’re describing. Was generally hoping for a legit comparison of sovereign nations and how they patrol their respective borders.
The legal ramifications, the severity, etc.

So what do you mean left vs. right?

Well it just seems every topic now on ATS dribbles down to left and right eventually. I thought that's what that comment meant?

America gives ILLEGALS food-stamps before CITIZENS get them.

Families with illegal aliens get food stamps (the Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program, or SNAP) while identical all-citizen families of the same size and with the same income do not receive them.

This is not a question of treating illegal aliens like other residents of this country, it is clear-cut discrimination against citizens and in favor of illegals.

More at: cis.org...

a reply to: TheJesuit

Well here in Australia most illegal immigrants drown on the way, the rest are picked up by the navy and taken to refugee camps off shore .

I think the Commonwealth games are the cause for the most illegal immigration we get here, I believe a few athletes bailed from the village and still haven't been found..

a reply to: TheJesuit

Don't be lazy, post some findings.

a reply to: TheJesuit



Although I don't disagree with your post, I don't want to do the research that you should have done.

Sorry folks its just too much information to sift thru but other than the EU the USA had excellent benefits of just getting Detained as far as the quality of the environment so where ever these people come from all you have to do is make it across and get arrested/detained quality of life improves drastically.

So there's that, The USA Standards/quality of life beats all again...... We ARE World Class! Compared to others in S America that is

No wonder ......The risk is worth it by far.

originally posted by: TheJesuit
So with all the polarization going on and all the debating going on lets take a really good look at OTHER countries IMMIGRATION Policy's
Lets educate ourselves on how OPEN and accepting the US tax payer is towards housing and caring for Criminals that do not follow the law when entering this Country. Then understand WHY- free food & shelter & no beatings

Mexico:
Guatemala:
Honduras:
(Argentina, Bolivia, Brazil, Chile, Colombia, Ecuador, Guyana, Paraguay, Peru, Suriname, Uruguay, and Venezuela)

Anyone want to wiki these i've got to go but will be back TBC

People who live in gated communities and complain about not building a wall because it will not help, will probably not like you asking that question.

a reply to: TheJesuit

Coming back later.

Hong Kong.

Owned a biz and wanted to bring my brother in to work.

Had a place to live for him and would assume all responsibility.

I had to call all my buds he worked for and had them give me letters of reference that he was an expert in cajun cooking.

Work Visa was rejected.

They wouldn't accept the fact that I couldn't teach a local the job I needed him for.

Still pisses me off.

Lets establish some ground rules -

The UNHCR (United Nations High Commissioner for Refugees) is the international body with set definitions all countries use. There are 3 categories -

1 - Refugee
Is someone who has left his or her country of origin and is unable or unwilling to return there because of a serious threat to his or her life or freedom. The international legal definition of the term is contained in the 1951 Convention.

2 -Asylum Seeker
is a general designation for someone who is seeking international protection. In some countries it is a legal term referring to a person who has applied for refugee status and has not yet received a final decision on his or her claim. Not every asylum-seeker will ultimately be recognized as a refugee. However, an asylum-seeker should not be sent back to his or her country of origin until the asylum claim has been examined in a fair procedure.

3 - Migrant
is best understood as someone who chooses to move, not because of a direct threat to life or freedom, but in order to find work, for education, family reunion, or other personal reasons. Unlike refugees, migrants do not have a fear of
persecution or serious harm in their home countries. Migrants continue to enjoy the protection of their own governments even when abroad and can return home.

The bulk of the US immigration issues come from migrants and usually from Mexico and central American nations. Asylum seekers have to comply with "The first country of Asylum", which is the standard. It means the first foreign country you come to is where you must apply for Asylum. You cannot transit thru that country to get to another one. Finally there is no such thing as an "economic refugee" either in US law or International Law. Crappy job pay, working conditions, no jobs etc is not a justifiable reason to try and gain admittance and protections of another country. Migrants actually have access to their own government for assistance with certain issues and Mexico routinely intervenes to try and keep their national in our country.

I am somewhat familiar with Mexican Immigration laws but not any of the Central or South American countries. Mexican immigration laws compared to the United States are draconian compared to ours. Violating their immigration laws usually starts you off at the felony level charge with a decade or more in prison. Smuggling people into Mexico is also a lot of prison time.

Mexico does have a wall on their southern border (big chuck of it is a solid barrier type system) and they also has the same headaches on their southern border that the US has on our southern border. So Mexico just threw international law out the window and looks the other way or, in some cases, actually transport illegal immigrants north top our border and dump them in our lap. Currently Canada is experiencing an immigration problem on their border with us. Trudeau initially welcomed them but now its gotten out of hand and Canada has been asking the US to help stop the flow (the irony).

The big bitch with our current immigration policy deals solely with enforcing existing laws, which were not enforced the last 8 years. Enter at a US port of entry and you don't get separated from your kids. Illegally enter and you do - here is why.

We have a zero tolerance policy on illegally entering. This means if you illegally enter and get caught you are going to be prosecuted. It is a criminal prosecution (misdemeanor first offense / felony for more than one) so the accused are placed into detention facilities. It is forbidden by scotus / federal law to house minors with adults in adult detention centers. Flores vs Reno established the no family housing requirement and the separation requirement. It also established the requirement for minors to be housed separately in their own facility and also requires segregation by sex. Currently 80% of the minors in custody are unaccompanied minors. One other thing to remember is the Scotus ruling in JENNINGS
ET AL v. RODRIGUEZ ET AL vs US. Illegal immigrants who are in custody no longer have a right to bail. They are held until their situation is resolved.

Drug cartels / pedo rings etc exploited the previous family policies so they were sending people in pretending to be families when in reality they weren't. Hence the zero tolerance now.

The US has also for the longest time took the hit when we try to deport an illegal back to their home country and the home country refuses to take them (primarily central American countries and a few African countries). In reality we could send them back to the country they entered from but Mexico started to refuse to take them.

We have one of the most open systems for people wanting to come here.

Is it to much to ask to do it legally?

Going back to Mexican laws they also prevent foreign ownership of property in certain parts of the country (like the coastal areas). The drug cartels dont help the situation which is why the asylum seekers from Mexico have a somewhat valid claim.

The US nor any other country is required to take a foreigner in. Helping out with poverty and prosperity in some of these countries might go a long way to help resolve the problem however the government are somewhat corrupt in certain areas of the respective governments and its usually from either being bribed by cartels or threatened to be killed by cartels.

The people in government dont seem to care when it comes to really trying to fix the problem and the US sends a massive amount of cash to help them out, which never seems to help.

Sorry for the long response and just my 2 cents...

Awesome thanks!