Trump G-7 bombshell-"We should at least consider no tariffs, no barriers, scrapping all of it"

originally posted by: Isurrender73
If that's not sarcasm I'd just like to remind you there is no Russian collusion. And I have no idea what anyone imagines the president could do that should make me fear his ties to Russia.

Especially when it was the democrats who colluded with Russia for the dossier and Uranium One.

Just today, he reversed his old position that asbestos was one of the most toxic substances on the planet. Instead, he directed the EPA to remove it from the list of harmful substances that need to be regulated.

Did you know that one of Russia's biggest industries is manufacturing asbestos?

Did you know that yesterday Trump made a big push to change the G7 back to the G8 and bring Russia in? Did you know that said proposal is jeopardizing Americas standing in the G7, it may be the G6 next year.

Did you know that the whole western world alliance, of which America is the centerpiece is on the verge of collapse? Did you know that destabilizing America to collapse that alliance is one of Russia's major geopolitical goals?

Did you know that thanks to long term sanctions, Russia was set to financially collapse within the next two years? Did you know Trump stopped that with his Iran actions which increased the global price of oil?

Literally everything the guy does benefits Russia in one way or another.

originally posted by: olaru12

originally posted by: Isurrender73

originally posted by: olaru12

originally posted by: Subaeruginosa

originally posted by: Lumenari

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: Sublimecraft


GODS!

I love the way he pisses off conventional thinking!

What?

Trump throws out # to see what might stick - - to use in his favor.

It's not rocket science.

He doesn't have a clue what he's doing in government.

The reverse is actually true... Trump is doing just fine and progressive/liberals just don't understand "Less Taxes Is Good". That doesn't come up much in socialist rallies,after all.

You do understand Trumps tariffs are essentially a tax on American consumers, don't you?

No they don't. Trade wars always create massive inflation . It's already started just from trump running his mouth. That pitiful tax refund won't mean jack when gas is back up to $4.50 a gallon.

economics.stackexchange.com...

You will have to pay a little more for some things.
Guess where that money goes? To American Workers.

I guess saving $5 is more important than saving your nation?

No it will go into corporate stock holders bankaccounts.

And if trump was really interested in saving the nation he shouldn't have been a draft dodging coward.

www.eastoregonian.com...

Draft dodging coward.
You guys are going to that again?

Are you giving up on Russia?

originally posted by: Isurrender73
We have a new law. Once elected president one must know everything. If one fails to know everything we will impeach. This is ridiculous.

An effective President needs to have indepth knowledge of several matters of state as well as basic knowledge of most other fields. Trump has none of that.

When one is lacking in knowledge, they need to be able to recognize their ignorance and seek out experts who can inform them. Trump believes himself to know everything worth knowing, and therefore doesn't seek input from others. He considers his ignorance a virtue.

Authority demands perfection. If you're incapable of that, you shouldn't have any authority. This is as true for the President as it is for any other position in society where we give people authority.

a reply to: Aazadan

Communicating effectively with Russia and making them a global partner instead of a hated enemy is a bad thing?

I think you took in too much MSM.

a reply to: Aazadan

So you will be deciding who gets to run for president now. If his wealth of knowledge doesn't meet your standards we can't vote for him?

originally posted by: Aazadan

originally posted by: Isurrender73
We have a new law. Once elected president one must know everything. If one fails to know everything we will impeach. This is ridiculous.

An effective President needs to have indepth knowledge of several matters of state as well as basic knowledge of most other fields. Trump has none of that.

When one is lacking in knowledge, they need to be able to recognize their ignorance and seek out experts who can inform them. Trump believes himself to know everything worth knowing, and therefore doesn't seek input from others. He considers his ignorance a virtue.

Authority demands perfection. If you're incapable of that, you shouldn't have any authority. This is as true for the President as it is for any other position in society where we give people authority.

Not to go what about Obama...
But what the hell did Obama have?

I think Obama has a bigger ego than Trump and was less qualified than Trump.

originally posted by: olaru12

originally posted by: Isurrender73

originally posted by: olaru12

originally posted by: Subaeruginosa

originally posted by: Lumenari

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: Sublimecraft


GODS!

I love the way he pisses off conventional thinking!

What?

Trump throws out # to see what might stick - - to use in his favor.

It's not rocket science.

He doesn't have a clue what he's doing in government.

The reverse is actually true... Trump is doing just fine and progressive/liberals just don't understand "Less Taxes Is Good". That doesn't come up much in socialist rallies,after all.

You do understand Trumps tariffs are essentially a tax on American consumers, don't you?

No they don't. Trade wars always create massive inflation . It's already started just from trump running his mouth. That pitiful tax refund won't mean jack when gas is back up to $4.50 a gallon.

economics.stackexchange.com...

You will have to pay a little more for some things.
Guess where that money goes? To American Workers.

I guess saving $5 is more important than saving your nation?

No it will go into corporate stock holders bankaccounts.

And if trump was really interested in saving the nation he shouldn't have been a draft dodging coward.

www.eastoregonian.com...

Actually it goes to the government like a tax. But what will actually happen is the goods will be manufactured in the US because it will end up being cheaper after the tarrifs. So the end result is $5 to the American worker, like I already stated.

originally posted by: Isurrender73
a reply to: Aazadan

So you will be deciding who gets to run for president now. If his wealth of knowledge doesn't meet your standards we can't vote for him?

No, but I won't vote for him. You can vote on whatever criteria you want. I'll vote on competence.

originally posted by: Isurrender73
a reply to: Aazadan

Communicating effectively with Russia and making them a global partner instead of a hated enemy is a bad thing?

I think you took in too much MSM.

Is refusing to enforce sanctions that Congress nearly unanimously voted for a good thing?

While that's an example of foreign policy, it sums up Trumps domestic policy in a nutshell. Since law enforcement is under the executive, he's simply picking and choosing what laws he's going to enforce, and who he's going to enforce them on. What the founders defined as tyranny was an arbitrary rule of law where one could not consistently know if what they were doing would put them in a court. Trump is a tyrant.

originally posted by: Aazadan
Did you know that thanks to long term sanctions, Russia was set to financially collapse within the next two years?

Do you happen to have a source for that or is it just speculation? Genuinely curious actually, as I know from an economic standpoint they haven't been doing well for a while, but collapse completely in such a short time frame?

originally posted by: c2oden
Not to go what about Obama...
But what the hell did Obama have?

I think Obama has a bigger ego than Trump and was less qualified than Trump.

All Trump talks about in his speeches is me, myself, and I. Obama actually used very measured words and almost never referenced himself. And you think Obama had the bigger ego? Obama's ego was a manufactured talking point by the right just so they could attack him... much like Trumps hand size, hair, or intelligence is right now (ever notice that most Republican Presidents are portrayed in the media as a dunce?)

As far as what Obama had though. He studied the constitution in depth, was a constitutional lawyer, a state senator for a decade, a federal senator for most of 1 term, and was involved with local politics for 20 years. In terms of government experience he served in city, state, and federal government, in terms of work experience his career was based on understanding the constitution, and in terms of education he had one of the most indepth educations possible on the constitution.

originally posted by: strongfp
a reply to: Lumenari

Are you just choosing to bash socialist economics or ignorant to how socialist economics work?

For one, socialist states require that taxes are null or extremely low, and everyone benefits from the profits of the economy. Hence why in most governments that are heavy or were heavy in manufacturing call for unionizing or love socialist politics. You pay a little and get a large sum back. THAT'S HOW UNIONS WORK, pay your dues and you get protected by elected officials through democracy.

The broad strokes of the brush from right wing ideologists have created this monster, and that monster is like Frankenstein's creation, something that isn't bad but made out to be terrorizing and destructive. When will this all end? I'm tired of people just making up BS to fit their narrative.

I actually use the term as it was made, by Mussolini.

Not the 4th or 5th attempt to change the meaning of the word because the last few times it didn't work it killed millions of people so making it mean something else is a better way to try to resell it.

Because THIS time, with smarter people and more money, it will work.

If you think you are tired of it, imagine someone who actually understands the word you are trying to re-write and the history behind it, then reading your post.

Keep your internet chin up though... remember, you are smarter than all the other ones that always failed every time!

originally posted by: Aazadan

originally posted by: c2oden
Not to go what about Obama...
But what the hell did Obama have?

I think Obama has a bigger ego than Trump and was less qualified than Trump.

All Trump talks about in his speeches is me, myself, and I. Obama actually used very measured words and almost never referenced himself. And you think Obama had the bigger ego? Obama's ego was a manufactured talking point by the right just so they could attack him... much like Trumps hand size, hair, or intelligence is right now (ever notice that most Republican Presidents are portrayed in the media as a dunce?)

As far as what Obama had though. He studied the constitution in depth, was a constitutional lawyer, a state senator for a decade, a federal senator for most of 1 term, and was involved with local politics for 20 years. In terms of government experience he served in city, state, and federal government, in terms of work experience his career was based on understanding the constitution, and in terms of education he had one of the most indepth educations possible on the constitution.

He studied how to dismantle the constitution.
He was a community organizer from Chicago.

a reply to: Sublimecraft

Understand, Trump throws a lot of "we should consider/discuss/analyze this" statements out on many topics. He did it with DACA, he did it with taxes, he did it with firearms, he's doing it now with trade, doesn't mean he presently supports no taxes or barriers, it just means he's looking for someone to present an argument and rationale that will make him consider changing his stance. It's what top tier CEOs, developers, and good politicians do.

I'm intrigued myself. I don't see any arguments that will make me change my position on more tariffs, more national protection policies, and stronger controls on crap we offshore labor on, but we'll see.

This sounds a lot like a step toward globalism if you ask me. I thought that was a bad thing?

a reply to: Sublimecraft

Not sure what he's doing here but he often seems to float a bunch of arguments he disagrees with then change back later.

As for steel tariffs, I support that. Steel is an essential industry. We need it. What if there's a war and it got cut off? Also, jobs.

originally posted by: Hypntick

originally posted by: Aazadan
Did you know that thanks to long term sanctions, Russia was set to financially collapse within the next two years?

Do you happen to have a source for that or is it just speculation? Genuinely curious actually, as I know from an economic standpoint they haven't been doing well for a while, but collapse completely in such a short time frame?

thebell.io...

The real issue here is that if Russia runs out of money, the Oligarchs that permit Putin to remain in power might start looking to someone else to run the country.

a reply to: c2oden

So you're just going to pretend that he doesn't have that education and background because you personally disagree with his conclusions.

Do you disagree with other professionals who make informed decisions on their subjects too just because you would like a different answer?

originally posted by: toms54
a reply to: Sublimecraft

Not sure what he's doing here but he often seems to float a bunch of arguments he disagrees with then change back later.

As for steel tariffs, I support that. Steel is an essential industry. We need it. What if there's a war and it got cut off? Also, jobs.

On the flip side, if all our steel is domestically produced, we have fewer economic ties to discourage us from getting into a war.

An international supply line forces countries to talk things out rather than fight each other. It's a very ingenious method of creating world peace. And going by the decrease in wars all over the world since the 40's it's working very well.

originally posted by: burdman30ott6
a reply to: Sublimecraft

Understand, Trump throws a lot of "we should consider/discuss/analyze this" statements out on many topics. He did it with DACA, he did it with taxes, he did it with firearms, he's doing it now with trade, doesn't mean he presently supports no taxes or barriers, it just means he's looking for someone to present an argument and rationale that will make him consider changing his stance. It's what top tier CEOs, developers, and good politicians do.

I'm intrigued myself. I don't see any arguments that will make me change my position on more tariffs, more national protection policies, and stronger controls on crap we offshore labor on, but we'll see.

Exactly.
CEOs do it all the time.

It is refreshing to see someone approach it like a CEO.
Because that is what the President is.