WTF was that refueling

So it resembled the "SR-75 Penetrator" model from Testors?
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a reply to: [post=23491027]StratosFear[/post Somewhat,wider looking wings that seemed to droop and fuselage a bit longer maybe.A long fuselage and wide delta wing is all I could swear to,that and bigger than the tanker. Theres a bunch of similar looking pics,but not seeing it closer I couldn`t 100% id it..My brother and nephew have seen it and both also were reminded of the Klingon ships in Star Trek.My impression was of a XB70 looking aircraft.Hopefully I`ll have binoculars if I spot it again. The pics I`ve seen of Super Valkery/Brilliant buzzard are definitely the closest ones I`ve seen

originally posted by: PhotonicsTechnologist

originally posted by: ridgerunner
a reply to: PhotonicsTechnologist
The Shenkenberg site you posted , the top center and right pic looked extremely close to whatever it was, couldn’t see good enough to say if it had canards or not.

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When my cousin was working as a food contractor on an FOB base in Iraq, he saw something on his airfield at night that looked a lot like the two images on the Shenkenberg site! When he asked an enlisted friend, he said that he was told that it was nicknamed "The Black Buzzard" and carried a spaceplane on its back and the enlisted guy told my cousin never to mention what he saw to anyone else on the FOB. I dunno if that's true or not. Why would you have a spaceplane in Iraq? Wouldn't you fly it from the USA or over an ocean to hide it?

Hi mate,
when it was, what year?

a reply to: SpeedFanatic

Well, he came back in 2006 because he got married that same year and I know he was there for two years where he met his wife since they're both cooks. I am guessing his enlisted buddy saw it between 2004 and 2006 and I think it was FOB Bernstein which was a former Iraqi Air Force Base. They rebuilt the runways is all I know and they had to feed all the contractors and enlisted personnel there. My cousin's enlisted buddy said not to tell anybody else on-base what he saw because he could get into a lot of trouble. I few years after that, my cousin did mention specifically that it carried a spaceplane on its back. The way he told it to me gave me some deep thought that maybe my cousin saw it personally too along with his buddy. He said the spaceplane had stubby curved wings near the back and looked more like a crurved-winged rocket than a plane. He thinks it was a dark blue color rather than black.

I don't know to much else and haven't really talked much his time since he is in the Southeast US with his wife and kids, and I'm up here in western Canada in the boonies. I've talked to him maybe 6 times in those 12 years since his wedding. He say at one point that even the enlisted men and women got paid real well at that base because it was some kind of "Special Duty" assignment and that everybody got extra pay and were told to keep their mouths shut all the time during those two years. My cousin and his new wife were able to buy a house free and clear because of all the money they saved in Iraq! They did more than just okay as a contractor is what he said!

What are the theories on how you hide such a large beast in 2018? Obviously night ops and base on lock down? If this thing can carry a spaceplane why boost the X-37 into space the regular way.

These sightings are great to read about.

a reply to: E92M3

My sighting of what I assumed to be this monster occurred as it was on final to Kelly AFB San Antonio. It is home to an air logistics center that houses C-5s (huge). This is just speculation, but My guess is they only have 1-3 of these operational, and therefore can shuffle them around the world inconspicuously at night and hide them in large transport/materials command hangers.

Speaking of curved-wing space planes... sure sounds a lot like this:

www.pinterest.com... e0d4a958d8565c2370bcff3d#details

There were pics of wind tunnel models of this floating around the net. It’s basically an up-sized version of the delta winged x-15.

My guess is that the Brilliant/Black Buzzard/XB-176 was some sort of long-range, near space bomber/strike system and probably a Strategic Arms Limitation Talks (SALT) violation and hence still (and maybe always) classified. I find the following ATS excerpts from an Aurora thread of particular interest (www.abovetopsecret.com...):

“I had a good friend whose Dad was a Test Pilot at Edwards and an equally good friend that was an Air Traffic Controller at Edwards. The one that was an Air Traffic Controller described a plane referred to as the Aurora to me while I was having dinner with them in approximately 1990. He talked about it being completely Stealth and capable of cruising at Mach 6. He said that he never actually saw the plane but talked about how the pilot would radio in to them to let them know he was there. It had and on board device that when activated would allow him to show on radar. The device would make it show up as a P-51 or other old type of aircraft. He was instructed to never talk about the plane but he leaked it to us. We were amazed. As far as there not being sightings of this aircraft? It is completely believable that there has never been an actual sighting. Hell it goes to fast. On top of that there would not be a lot of these planes in existence anyway. There is no need. They are not going into combat. They fly their missions, take some pictures and come back. They do a lot of this at night, considering the rate of speeds and the altitude they fly at no one would see them. As far as Satellites replacing aircraft go, they will never get rid of aircraft entirely.”

Anonymous ATS: “I was cruising at FL 380, Northbound, over southern/middle France late afternoon about seven years ago in a Boeing 737. An american voice (1) came onto the (civilian frequency) R/T on Paris control's frequency with some macho callsign (don't remember it), and said "just a courtesy call whilst overflying". The French ATC controller (2) responed "say position and altitude"
(1) Gives position relative to a waypoint, and tracking west.
(2) "I say again, say position AND altitude"
(1) "sorry sir, that's classified"
(2) "Repeat callsign"
(1) repeats callsign
(2) "say aircraft type"
(1) "sorry sir, that's classified too"
(2) "If you do not give your altitude and type, we will intercept you"
(1) "you can send what you like, I'll be long gone, sir".
. . . silence while the French ATCO presumably attracts the attention of his boss, (or goes on strike, and doesn't tell anyone).

A couple of minutes pass while the First Officer and myself exchange opinions and strain our necks looking upwards for contrails, before we are directed to another frequency and controller.”

Anonymous ATS: “Yes! this plane does exist, I was in the USAF, a security specialist, and me and three other men I served with were tasked to guard it, summer of 89, We were segregated from everyone else, stayed in a trailer near the hanger for 2 weeks sweating in the Nevada sun. We did get to eat chow with the flight crew. There were 4 of them, pilot, Co-pilot, WSO(weapons systems officer) and NAV. Wore blank flight suits, and were trucked out to the hanger in what I would call space suits...but dark grey in color. Once at chow the pilot mentioned that they "could" go into "space" what I would guess now is Low Earth Orbit, and drop nukes anywhere in the world in 40 minutes. Basically we guarded entry into and out of the hanger. When the plane was gone "flying" or somewhere else we got to hang out and work on our tans...that was about it...sweat, eat, sleep...Our rules of engagement was an exchange badge system, unauthorized entry engagement was explained to us as "shoot to kill with extreme prejudice". The cordon for this hanger was exactly 460 meters, the range of our M-16 rifles. There was a giant bus that would bring in the crew, crew chief and mechanics, fuels, egress, etc...any other vehicles were considered hostile and shoot on site. At the time it was a tdy(temporary duty)I did this same thing four times with the bread box...another experimental plane, the other was what I believe to be a 117 but it was camo color, the last one was this plane, XB 176 I think was the designation. I got out at the end of 89, but from 86 to 89 I went to Nellis then onto area 51, 4 times to guard different aircraft.”

Intelgirl: “There are things (I will not point at specifically) which you mention in your post that ring true with things I am aware of. Your particular story has factual information that people unfamiliar with projects dealing with national assets on the Nellis Range would not know.

Thumbs up for you - be careful.”

originally posted by: E92M3
What are the theories on how you hide such a large beast in 2018? Obviously night ops and base on lock down? If this thing can carry a spaceplane why boost the X-37 into space the regular way.

Allegedly that thing has a different mission than the X-37 and is not a spaceplane in the conventional sense at all.

Forward deployments of fast moving aircraft is not unheard of. There are some juicy tidbits in the Green Lady threads. A secluded airstrip in Iraq is as good as any secluded airstrip in the neighboring countries.
But weird place for that particular alleged aircraft to show up in, no question.

a reply to: PhotonicsTechnologist

Indeed! That's amazing story. Did you hear any details of the "carrier" aircraft and spaceplane that it carried? Dimensions, colour etc.?
Are you able to provide more details?

Cheers,

a reply to: mightmight Theres always been a lot of military aircraft seen in this area.Mostly stuff like C130s,17`s and fighters,along with helicopters,probably from Fort Cambell.Mcgee Tyson ANG, about 50 miles west is a 135 base.The unknown stuff has been seen a lot more the last 5 years or so,I have had a least 15 or 20 people tell me about seeing a large black triangle,or wing, the last 2 years and the bird I saw has been seen by 3 family members refueling around the same time, and refueling track twice in the last yea the way to disclosurer.I saw the black one and think it might be the Waco bird after looking at the photos of it.I`m wondering if they have a base in the Southeast and are using it to test these birds in more populated areas to maybe prep to go in the gray world or train for European/Russian mission?

a reply to: mightmight Theres always been a lot of military aircraft seen in this area.Mostly stuff like C130s,17`s and fighters,along with helicopters,probably from Fort Cambell.Mcgee Tyson ANG, about 50 miles west is a 135 base.The unknown stuff has been seen a lot more the last 5 years or so,I have had a least 15 or 20 people tell me about seeing a large black triangle,or wing, the last 2 years and the bird I saw has been seen by 3 family members refueling around the same time, and refueling track twice in the last year.I saw the black one and think it might be the Waco bird after looking at the photos of it.I`m wondering if they have a base in the Southeast and are using it to test these birds in more populated areas to maybe prep to go in the gray world or train for European/Russian mission? Or maybe they follow the lakes and mountain terrain to hide in plain sight.

a reply to: ridgerunner

Are you able to provide more details on your sightings, like location etc? Are we talking about last time or few decades in the past?

a reply to: SpeedFanatic The refuelers usually pass over Cherokee lake and Clinch mountain from the south heading north toward Cumberland gap,11 w and 25e intersection is pretty close to their track.C130s follow the ridgelines at low level south of Clinch mountain.I haven`t seen them for a while.been on night shift and that's when they usually came over.The fighters usually are gassing up,occasionally one gives you a good look flying low.The wing,triangle,whatever it is,has been seen up in this area following ridgelines at low levels .Pretty sure its the Waco bird from my sighting last year Most people say they see it when it does a low level over them crossing a road.We`ve seen the tankers,fighters and 130`s for as long as I can remember.The last few years the other stuff has begun showing up.The one I saw last week has been seen twice last year by my brother and once by my nephew,haven`t heard anyone else seeing it.All our sightings have been very late in the day and on the same refueling loop.

a reply to: TheHans

Aurora is like an antibiotic resistant infection. It never really goes away even long after it should.

a reply to: Zaphod58

Just like Herpes.

Truely the best thing that ever happened to *them*.

originally posted by: SpeedFanatic
a reply to: PhotonicsTechnologist

Indeed! That's amazing story. Did you hear any details of the "carrier" aircraft and spaceplane that it carried? Dimensions, colour etc.?
Are you able to provide more details?

Cheers,

Yeah, I did hear more a bit more about it pretty much right after his wedding and based upon my cousin's details the closest I am getting is this drawing by an "A. Ticees". About 6 years ago, we were shootin' the breeze and having a beer at a family reunion when he brought it up again since he knew i'm interested in UFOs n stuff. I said I found something on the net about the F19 that looks kinda like what he is talking about. He said Yeah! That's exactly what I'm talking about bolted right on top of the big spaceplane in Iraq. Just change the color to really dark dark blue and that's it!

Isn't the F19 a fighter jet and not a spaceplane? I thought it just did recco missions? What the heck is a spaceplane doing in Iraq? It's weird I know. Anybody else know anything about this?


What my cousin and his enlisted buddy says they saw in Iraq bolted onto the back of a really big pointy-nosed XB-70 style delta wing>>>

files.abovetopsecret.com...

a reply to: TheHans

Sounds pretty cool and shows up that yeah, maybe they do park spaceplanes in Iraq! I heard they use the metric system in the US military because his weapon range was said to be 460 meters, so I guess it kinda gives it some authenticity. I know about the Weapons System Officer term so that says something too. The "egress" term tells me he knows about that ladder gadget that gets you out of airplanes like bombers n stuff so he's probably legit military at least.

The "Breadbox" secret aircraft thing talked about at the end of the paragraph is probably the Rockwell C1057 which looks like this:

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I think I got that right! I THINK!

originally posted by: PhotonicsTechnologist

originally posted by: SpeedFanatic
a reply to: PhotonicsTechnologist

Indeed! That's amazing story. Did you hear any details of the "carrier" aircraft and spaceplane that it carried? Dimensions, colour etc.?
Are you able to provide more details?

Cheers,

Yeah, I did hear more a bit more about it pretty much right after his wedding and based upon my cousin's details the closest I am getting is this drawing by an "A. Ticees". About 6 years ago, we were shootin' the breeze and having a beer at a family reunion when he brought it up again since he knew i'm interested in UFOs n stuff. I said I found something on the net about the F19 that looks kinda like what he is talking about. He said Yeah! That's exactly what I'm talking about bolted right on top of the big spaceplane in Iraq. Just change the color to really dark dark blue and that's it!

Isn't the F19 a fighter jet and not a spaceplane? I thought it just did recco missions? What the heck is a spaceplane doing in Iraq? It's weird I know. Anybody else know anything about this?


What my cousin and his enlisted buddy says they saw in Iraq bolted onto the back of a really big pointy-nosed XB-70 style delta wing>>>

files.abovetopsecret.com...

Let me put it straight for me.
So the "F19-like" bird(from this link:files.abovetopsecret.com...) is what was bolted onto the back of a really big pointy-nosed XB-70 style delta wing, right?

The "F19-like" bird(from this link:files.abovetopsecret.com...), according to your cousin and his enlisted buddy, was really really dark blue, right?

Any details on a really big pointy-nosed XB-70 style delta wing carrier?

a reply to: SpeedFanatic

You gotta remember, we were "shootin' the breeze" talking about all sorts of stuff. UFO's, secret aircraft, conspiracies, special ops n stuff. I just happened to show him later in the evening a website about the F19 aircraft and when I showed him the drawing he said "YEAH! That was it!"

You gotta understand, I hafta assume my cousin was actually with his enlisted buddy and they saw it together. It sure sounds like they were, but I really don't know for sure. He definitely said it was dark dark blue and not black, but I can't see how you would know that if it was at night unless there was a light on the thing! I showed him the XB-70 photos and that SuperValkerie drawing years ago and he was pretty sure that was the "Carrier Craft" and that the spaceplane was bolted near the back of it!

Now, my cousin is just a cook, but some of the other comments hes made about his time in Iraq when he gets a few beers in him kinda tells me a lot of stuff has been going on we don't know about!

So if some designers made a bigger XB70 say around 220 feet long and the piggyback plane is around one-third the size from a designer's aesthetic point of view, lets give a nice round number of say 70 feet long. If the XB70 has a payload at 50% fuel capacity on takeoff of 150,000 pounds which I know from wikipedia, that still leaves 100,000 to 150,000 pounds left over for lifting something on its back.

The F22 fighter is about 65 feet long and weighs 65,000 pounds fully loaded, so if I put on my engineering cap, I think I can say we are looking at a 70+ foot long 70,000+ pound craft that can go into low-orbit! Is that about right? Anybody else agree with my math?

So what's the piggy back plane carrying? Camera Gear? Nukes? Other recco gear? I dunno but some you here might! I don't know much about you posters but I'm guessing you have some experience with aircraft. I just maintain a company computer network. I don't know much about the low-down on military plane stuff other than what i've read about and play on my XBOX!

He was pretty sure of himself when he said the piggyback aircraft was very dark blue and not true black!

I actually remember 6 years ago asking him about the color of the big carrier plane and I thought he said it was a two tone color scheme with a medium gray or light blue on top and dark blue or dark gray on the bottom, but can't remember the specific colors he said anymore. I could ask him again when the next family reunion happens. I think that scheme is used fool satellites so it blends in with those really high thunderclouds when looking from above downwards and people from below only see dark sky.