Giuliani: Trump 'probably' has power to pardon himself

a reply to: Arnie123

Come on, man. What do you expect? This stuff writes itself.

No criminal in the usa could be kept in jail by this investigation.

Even if evidence comes to light that shows that a crime was indeed committed we would still have to get a different special council to recommend impeachment because the current council is null and void according to the law and it is just one court ruling away from being officially nullified.

people we have to follow the constitution

a shotgun approach to the investigation is unconstitutional

a reply to: DISRAELI

if that theory worked, then Nixon would have discovered it.

That's what I thought too. Nixon must be slapping himself in the grave! But, actually Nixon did try it, sorta, when he said "If the President does it, it's not illegal." That didn't work out well either!

a reply to: howtonhawky

I'm sure they have plenty of evidence. You're desires won't hurry Mueller or his team. You'll just have to wait til he's ready.

originally posted by: Sookiechacha
a reply to: DISRAELI

if that theory worked, then Nixon would have discovered it.

That's what I thought too. Nixon must be slapping himself in the grave! But, actually Nixon did try it, sorta, when he said "If the President does it, it's not illegal." That didn't work out well either!

The closest thing i see to nixon is the illegal investigations and attempted cover ups by the dems..

the reason it did not work out for nixon is because there were crimes and cover ups and direct evidence that nixon was the mastermind in such

there is much truth in the statment

a reply to: howtonhawky

What are you getting at? The special counsel is perfectly legal. The warrant for Page was completely legal.
The republicans would have shut it down or never let it be started.

originally posted by: howtonhawky

originally posted by: Sookiechacha
a reply to: DISRAELI

if that theory worked, then Nixon would have discovered it.

That's what I thought too. Nixon must be slapping himself in the grave! But, actually Nixon did try it, sorta, when he said "If the President does it, it's not illegal." That didn't work out well either!

The closest thing i see to nixon is the illegal investigations and attempted cover ups by the dems..

the reason it did not work out for nixon is because there were crimes and cover ups and direct evidence that nixon was the mastermind in such

there is much truth in the statment

The reason it didn’t work with Nixon is because back in Nixons day there were people in his own party who would stand up to him if he tried anything like that.

Now we have a bunch of bootlickers who know they’ll be shunned by their own party for going against the grain. And if you parrot the idea that Trump should have carte blanche to do whatever he pleases, that’s on you as well.

Of course Donny can pardon himself ... after all, he's Donald Trump, and he can and will do whatever he wants :-)

a reply to: underwerks

The reason it didn’t work with Nixon is because back in Nixons day there were people in his own party who would stand up to him if he tried anything like that.

it is not a popularity contest

crimes are the difference

people voted against nixon because of actual crimes outlined

after 500 days no crimes by trump have come to the surface and the illegal council said twice that trump is not a criminal target where nixon and clinton were criminal targets just like trump was until mueller cleared trump by saying he is not a criminal target and that is the difference in the cases

if mueller continues on the witch hunt trump just might release all the investigation to the public

originally posted by: howtonhawky
a reply to: underwerks

The reason it didn’t work with Nixon is because back in Nixons day there were people in his own party who would stand up to him if he tried anything like that.

it is not a popularity contest

crimes are the difference

people voted against nixon because of actual crimes outlined

after 500 days no crimes by trump have come to the surface and the illegal council said twice that trump is not a criminal target where nixon and clinton were criminal targets just like trump was until mueller cleared trump by saying he is not a criminal target and that is the difference in the cases

if mueller continues on the witch hunt trump just might release all the investigation to the public

19 indictments and 5 convictions of people who Trump surrounded himself with so far.
en.m.wikipedia.org...(2017%E2%80%93present)

But please, continue to tell me how this is a witch hunt and there’s nothing there.

originally posted by: underwerks

originally posted by: howtonhawky
a reply to: underwerks

The reason it didn’t work with Nixon is because back in Nixons day there were people in his own party who would stand up to him if he tried anything like that.

it is not a popularity contest

crimes are the difference

people voted against nixon because of actual crimes outlined

after 500 days no crimes by trump have come to the surface and the illegal council said twice that trump is not a criminal target where nixon and clinton were criminal targets just like trump was until mueller cleared trump by saying he is not a criminal target and that is the difference in the cases

if mueller continues on the witch hunt trump just might release all the investigation to the public

19 indictments and 5 convictions of people who Trump surrounded himself with so far.
en.m.wikipedia.org...(2017%E2%80%93present)

But please, continue to tell me how this is a witch hunt and there’s nothing there.

That is a counter intelligence investigation and has nothing to do with trump as stated by mueller

All counter intelligence investigations are under the potus

it is legally impossible for trump to be a subject of a counter intelligence op..

The only type of investigation trump could be a target of is a very specific type where a constitutionally appointed special council is appointed to collect evidence of a crime. It has to be narrow in scope and started with clear criminal conduct.

Do you get it yet?

originally posted by: underwerks

originally posted by: howtonhawky
a reply to: underwerks

The reason it didn’t work with Nixon is because back in Nixons day there were people in his own party who would stand up to him if he tried anything like that.

it is not a popularity contest

crimes are the difference

people voted against nixon because of actual crimes outlined

after 500 days no crimes by trump have come to the surface and the illegal council said twice that trump is not a criminal target where nixon and clinton were criminal targets just like trump was until mueller cleared trump by saying he is not a criminal target and that is the difference in the cases

if mueller continues on the witch hunt trump just might release all the investigation to the public

19 indictments and 5 convictions of people who Trump surrounded himself with so far.
en.m.wikipedia.org...(2017%E2%80%93present)

But please, continue to tell me how this is a witch hunt and there’s nothing there.

Indictments and convictions relating to Russian interference and/or collusion of people linked to Trump... running count.... 0

And If Hillary was president she could of too... and everyone would accept that statement?

Why on earth would Trump be considering pardoning himself ?

What potential 'crimes' ...could an acting POTUS...
be justified in pardoning himself for ?

Why is Trump even mulling it out loud ?

Is this another example of a fawned-over and a famed-for, 4D chess move ?

Or signs that Trump's colostromy bag has punctured ?
He's sure as heck been spilling a lot of bilge on the 'ol twit-ô-sphere recently

originally posted by: Cassi3l
Why on earth would Trump be considering pardoning himself ?

What potential 'crimes' ...could an acting POTUS...
be justified in pardoning himself for ?

Why is Trump even mulling it out loud ?

Is this another example of a fawned-over and a famed-for, 4D chess move ?

Or signs that Trump's colostromy bag has punctured ?
He's sure as heck been spilling a lot of bilge on the 'ol twit-ô-sphere recently

Put yourself in his shoes and tell me how to best run the country if you did no crimes.

Seriously if he as mueller has stated trump is not under criminal investigation twice then how do you deal with the investigation if you are him and actually understand that potus is head over all criminal investigations unless he is the target of a criminal investigation.
How about you all stop your divide for a moment and think about the best way forward for the country as a whole.

originally posted by: underwerks

originally posted by: howtonhawky
a reply to: underwerks

The reason it didn’t work with Nixon is because back in Nixons day there were people in his own party who would stand up to him if he tried anything like that.

it is not a popularity contest

crimes are the difference

people voted against nixon because of actual crimes outlined

after 500 days no crimes by trump have come to the surface and the illegal council said twice that trump is not a criminal target where nixon and clinton were criminal targets just like trump was until mueller cleared trump by saying he is not a criminal target and that is the difference in the cases

if mueller continues on the witch hunt trump just might release all the investigation to the public

19 indictments and 5 convictions of people who Trump surrounded himself with so far.
en.m.wikipedia.org...(2017%E2%80%93present)

But please, continue to tell me how this is a witch hunt and there’s nothing there.

Duuude, don't feed it !

a reply to: Southern Guardian

Constitutionally speaking, he probably can. He is above the law in the sense that you mean it (a prosecutor can't take him to court to have him thrown in jail). The constitution prescribes one way to apply justice for high crimes and misdemeanors to a president: impeachment. It's pretty obvious to anyone reading it that, that is the only way. The nice thing for you lot is that even if he pardons himself, he can still be impeached for those same crimes. So in one light, he is above the law, in another he's held to a higher standard than the average citizen (who if pardoned would have no other justice done to them).

originally posted by: UKTruth

originally posted by: underwerks

originally posted by: howtonhawky
a reply to: underwerks

The reason it didn’t work with Nixon is because back in Nixons day there were people in his own party who would stand up to him if he tried anything like that.

it is not a popularity contest

crimes are the difference

people voted against nixon because of actual crimes outlined

after 500 days no crimes by trump have come to the surface and the illegal council said twice that trump is not a criminal target where nixon and clinton were criminal targets just like trump was until mueller cleared trump by saying he is not a criminal target and that is the difference in the cases

if mueller continues on the witch hunt trump just might release all the investigation to the public

19 indictments and 5 convictions of people who Trump surrounded himself with so far.
en.m.wikipedia.org...(2017%E2%80%93present)

But please, continue to tell me how this is a witch hunt and there’s nothing there.

Indictments and convictions relating to Russian interference and/or collusion of people linked to Trump... running count.... 0

Actually here are the facts that you left out. And this is the actual investigation.

The 2017–present Special Counsel investigation is an ongoing United States law enforcement investigation of Donald Trump's 2016 presidential campaign and any Russian (or other foreign) interference in the election, including exploring any possible links or coordination between Trump’s campaign and the Russian government, "and any matters that arose or may arise directly from the investigation." The scope of the investigation reportedly also includes potential obstruction of justice by President Trump and others.[1] Since May 2017, the investigation has been led by a United States Special Counsel, Robert Mueller, a former Director of the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI).
WIKI

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope

originally posted by: introvert
a reply to: LesMisanthrope

He was asked, “Can the president pardon himself?”, and he answered the question.

No #. I thank you for pointing-out what was obvious.

The discussion has evolved beyond just what he said.

And we get to watch as you guys contort yourselves into hysteria.

What hysteria? Can we not talk about the issue without people such as yourself thinking in terms of absolute dramatics and hyperbole?

Kids these days. Not only are your arguments crap, but you're also a bit soft. Everything is so dramatic.

Utter sophistry. If only you knew what an argument was. I’m happy we get to watch you guys cry over nothing, because your credibility, your integrity, and any rationality you pretended to have, diminishes with your tears.

Who's crying? Certainly not me. Just discussing the issue is not "crying". Again, no need for dramatics, or no need to make things up.

a reply to: introvert

I seen it with own three ears