Giuliani: Trump 'probably' has power to pardon himself

originally posted by: underwerks
This is insane. Anyone who supports team Trumps argument that the president is above the law has no room to ever talk about the rule of law again.

I'm astonished how Trump supporters can continue to use the constitution as a bench mark after this attempt at despotism.

a reply to: LesMisanthrope

Yours are infantile.

Right in to the "I know you are but what am I" mode?

That’s all you guys have is name-calling.

Isn't that what you just did?

The president can pardon himself.

That's what they are claiming. Not so sure that would be a good idea, or that it would hold up to constitutional scrutiny, but let them go ahead and try.

a reply to: introvert

No one said it was a good idea. He answered the question truthfully. And now we get to watch as anti-trumpets contort themselves into fear and loathing over dictatorship and despotism, which are forms of rule that they will only see in their fantasies.

originally posted by: pheonix358
a reply to: pheonix358

Of course the President could not pardon himself ... s'n-word' ... well ... it is the US of A ... so who really knows.

Oh the auto guy is at it again. S-n-i-g-g-e-r is a word that has nothing to do with the other sometimes naughty word.

Lol.

I am amused!

P

Yeah I was wondering wth was going on in your original post, I had no idea what it was supposed to mean. I'm still a little confused though, I've never heard of.... the word you used. I've heard Snicker before though, like a kind of giggle or laugh?

Well I'm off to google that gem.


Huh, wouldyajustlookatthat- I guess it can be spelled either way- It's spelled your way in the definition of "Snicker"
I guess I learn something every day.

-Alee

I don't know all the legal aspects of self-pardoning.


But what I think is that the Trump administration says this stuff so leftists can lose their minds.



My suggestion to the leftists would be; take some time away from Trump. Date an MS-13 gang member, burn a book, knock over a statue, deny someone else their freedom of expression. You know, take up a hobby!

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope
a reply to: introvert

No one said it was a good idea. He answered the question truthfully. And now we get to watch as anti-trumpets contort themselves into fear and loathing over dictatorship and despotism, which are forms of rule that they will only see in their fantasies.

When the president of the US and his legal team are publicly stating they are above the law , the fears of the people are well-founded.

What is very interesting is people such as yourself that are worried about the "fantasies" of others, yet not so much concern about the president and his team saying he can do whatever he wants and can pardon himself.

That is the epitome of corruption, but you are worried about fantasies?

a reply to: DBCowboy

But what I think is that the Trump administration says this stuff so leftists can lose their minds.

Great. You are admitting we elected a troll.

That's a start.

My suggestion to the leftists would be; take some time away from Trump. Date an MS-13 gang member, burn a book, knock over a statue, deny someone else their freedom of expression. You know, take up a hobby!

Great. You're a troll as well.

We have trolls and grown adults that bring childish arguments to the table.

My, how ATS has become #.

Red Hats will go down with this dumpster fire all for their foolish pride and imaginary liberal tears. They know if a democratic president proclaimed ability to self-pardon they would be arming themselves and heading to D.C to string the wannabe dictator up themselves. Pathetic.

a reply to: introvert

Not trolling so much as pointing out the hypocrisy from the left.

You scream about dictatorships but have no problem silencing free expression. You talk about freedoms and in the same breath talk about removing rights.


You amuse me.

Fonzi would be jealous with all this shark jumping.

a reply to: DBCowboy

Not trolling so much as pointing out the hypocrisy from the left.

Fair enough. There are plenty of hypocrites around, from both sides. So I'm sure you're a busy guy.

You scream about dictatorships but have no problem silencing free expression. You talk about freedoms and in the same breath talk about removing rights.

I said no such things. Are you lying again?

Hypocrites are easy to deal with. Liars...not so much.

You amuse me.

I think you amuse yourself. No assistance needed.

originally posted by: introvert

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope
a reply to: introvert

No one said it was a good idea. He answered the question truthfully. And now we get to watch as anti-trumpets contort themselves into fear and loathing over dictatorship and despotism, which are forms of rule that they will only see in their fantasies.

When the president of the US and his legal team are publicly stating they are above the law , the fears of the people are well-founded.

What is very interesting is people such as yourself that are worried about the "fantasies" of others, yet not so much concern about the president and his team saying he can do whatever he wants and can pardon himself.

That is the epitome of corruption, but you are worried about fantasies?

He was asked, “Can the president pardon himself?”, and he answered the question. And we get to watch as you guys contort yourselves into hysteria.

Guiliani explicitly states in the same interview that the president is not above the law.

a reply to: LesMisanthrope

He was asked, “Can the president pardon himself?”, and he answered the question.

No #. I thank you for pointing-out what was obvious.

The discussion has evolved beyond just what he said.

And we get to watch as you guys contort yourselves into hysteria.

What hysteria? Can we not talk about the issue without people such as yourself thinking in terms of absolute dramatics and hyperbole?

Kids these days. Not only are your arguments crap, but you're also a bit soft. Everything is so dramatic.

originally posted by: olaru12

originally posted by: underwerks
This is insane. Anyone who supports team Trumps argument that the president is above the law has no room to ever talk about the rule of law again.

I'm astonished how Trump supporters can continue to use the constitution as a bench mark after this attempt at despotism.

The only thing that has kept past presidents from using that authority is their somewhat fleeting respect for democracy. Even Nixon.

I don’t see Trump respecting democratic norms when it’s his @$$ on the line. I believe he’d implode this country and everything it stands for if it came down to him or it.

I can already hear the choruses of “Deep state! Conspiracy against Trump! He has to do this!”, and that’s the scariest part. That Americans are willing to let a president place himself above the law because of some third rate conspiracy that a secret government is working against him.

a reply to: burgerbuddy

Where's that? Never Never Land?

originally posted by: introvert
a reply to: LesMisanthrope

He was asked, “Can the president pardon himself?”, and he answered the question.

No #. I thank you for pointing-out what was obvious.

The discussion has evolved beyond just what he said.

And we get to watch as you guys contort yourselves into hysteria.

What hysteria? Can we not talk about the issue without people such as yourself thinking in terms of absolute dramatics and hyperbole?

Kids these days. Not only are your arguments crap, but you're also a bit soft. Everything is so dramatic.

Utter sophistry. If only you knew what an argument was. I’m happy we get to watch you guys cry over nothing, because your credibility, your integrity, and any rationality you pretended to have, diminishes with your tears.

a reply to: deckdel

Too bad it didn't keep the trash out of the white house.

originally posted by: DBCowboy
I don't know all the legal aspects of self-pardoning.


But what I think is that the Trump administration says this stuff so leftists can lose their minds.

My suggestion to the leftists would be; take some time away from Trump. Date an MS-13 gang member, burn a book, knock over a statue, deny someone else their freedom of expression. You know, take up a hobby!

Trump could nuke Manhattan and you’d be here arguing how he’s just trying to piss off east coast liberals.

a reply to: Plotus

You're funny.

a reply to: neo96

And that didn't happen so...