STOP with the COMMON SENSE gun control pleas – just STOP! - falling on deaf ears

Ok, IDK why the left just doesn't get the message but no matter how many children they manipulate and put in front of a camera to state that the only way we can get this school shooting thing under control is with "common sense" gun control laws. This is tired and trite and it is making a mockery of the victims of these heinous crimes (many which should have been prevented had the liberal government done their actual jobs). They might as well go back to the "Just say NO" campaign as the tip of the spear for fixing the drug abuse issue in this country - that will work just as well as pushing for "common sense" gun control laws.

First off, we do not need children telling us what laws we need when it comes to the fundamentals of our country. Most of us remember being that age and how many of us thought we were much more intelligent and wise than we actually were. The thing is, that SOME of us grow out of that, the rest join the Democratic Party and put victimized & traumatized children in front of camera's to push their agenda.

I can tell you for a fact that no true conservative, let alone a libertarian, is going to agree with a liberal (let a lone those on the far - far left), as to what is common sense. We can't even come to an agreement as to there only being 2 sexes or genders, do you think we can come to an agreement as to what constitutes "common sense" gun laws.

The fact that the left doesn't realize this is the true tragedy and honestly even scarier than having to deal with the school shooter situation. In comparison the school shooter situation is child's play compared to having to deal with the cognitive dissonance of the left and their inability to reason, use logic and see reality as it truly is, and this is the true national emergency.

Also all of these school shooters that use AR's and are highly publicized all have the same stink of a propaganda campaign and psychological warfare. All these shooters claim to want to kill as many people as possible and they choose a weapon that is a poor choice (by comparison) for their application as there are many better options for what they want to do. The other options are weapons that are much more readily available and less "scary" or controversial (they aren't classified as assault rifles), less expensive, ammo is cheaper & easily available and they are MUCH more deadly in the situation they are planning. Doing 20-30 mins of research would reveal that a different weapon would be a much better choice and they wouldn't raise red flags (of assault weapon) and it would be much more deadly. This has been discussed ad-nauseum online in gun forums so it isn't like the shooters wouldn't come across this information - so WHY do they continue to use this "suspicious" gun that is going to draw more attention, be more expensive & much less effective (deadly)? Common sense would point to using the most effective, affordable weapon for the situation, but that doesn't seem to be happening.

The weapon choice and the media's labeling most black guns as "AR's" or possibly "AR like" (if they are being slightly truthful) as well as "assault weapon" (when that is a made up media buzz word) are all indicative of a media campaign to smear the owners of these guns for some reason, IDK exactly what it is other than to try to establish a foothold in the public mind that there are in fact "evil" guns or guns which don't belong in general society.

The media and the left need to realize that the conservatives and libertarians are not going to budge on gun control issues and that we will never agree on what is a "common sense" gun control law for more reasons that can be explained here. They need to stop exploiting these vulnerable, traumatized and damage young victims to further their agenda and look at the true cause of school shootings which is bullying. The combination of bullying in school (and possibly home) and the child being either babied or pampered at home (children who can do no wrong) causes a volatile situation especially when social media is added to the mix.

a reply to: DigginFoTroof

It does get old. Like common sense gun control is the "fix all". Like there isnt a multitude of reasons they happen. Weapons change so opponents try to make new terms and use broad generalizations to make it seem like its always tye same weapons being used. In reality the common links seem to fall under some combination of mental health, bullying, and/or a troubled/violent history.

Common sense. Ha! Its all scam.
Step 1. Categorize a group of weapons
Step 2. Tell the public that this group of weapons is worse than all the others
Step 3. Repeat step 2 until enough people believe it
Step 4. Enact laws against said group of weapons. Repeat until laws pass

Then start over with a new group of weapons

a reply to: DigginFoTroof

I can tell you a “common sense law” that I am sure you could get behind. But this idea really would only help with domestic gun trafficking and gang violence.
The school shooting thing not so much.

a reply to: Whoisjohngalt

Ummm not true...

a reply to: Allaroundyou

Its pretty true. The "assault weapons" are the target right now because they are the low hanging fruit.
But after that it will be "high capacity" magazines and then all semiautomatic weapons.

a reply to: Whoisjohngalt

That is the so called far left narrative. Being deployed because of school shootings. And yes I agree with you that the narrative possibly being thrown around by the likes of CNN are complete bullsnip.
But there is such a thing as common sense guns laws to combats gang violence and things unrelated to school shooting.

a reply to: Allaroundyou

Well thats what a LOT of people in the media representing that left are saying. Its is also what i heard people who dont know much about guns say in person. Granted, just because its what im exposed to, doesnt necessarily mean its what the left in the country think. But if thats the case, then people need to start stepping up and saying "i support this gun control law, but this is also where i draw the line and no more laws after that" because everytime i and a lot of people like me hear anyone mention gun control i think they are driving a nonstop train to confiscation town.

But, i would like to know what your common sense gun laws are.

Bullying and other factors that could create violent situations in schools needs to be addressed first and foremost. Our school systems are paying lip-service to this with their anti-bulling campaigns. But it doesn't seem to be working.

Now, it seems to me that the following ideas would be reasonable actions that would not significantly affect gun purchasers' rights:

1. Restrict some mentally ill people from being able to quickly purchase firearms. Of course, a timely and efficient appeals process should be available.

2. Stronger legal repercussions for parents that enable these mass shooting. In several cases parents have either purchased the weapons for their kids, or left them with full access to their personal gun collections. I don't think responsible gun owners do this as a matter of course. So, sometimes it is necessary to put laws in place to keep the stupid people in line.

3. Maybe a short waiting period between purchasing the weapon and picking it up for first-time buyers. I agree this may cause a little inconvenience. However, someone who is not too well grounded in reality, or dead set on causing mayhem, may calm down in the day or two it takes to get the gun.

4. Some people are just too stupid to have any kind of weapon. Perhaps a training class requirement might be beneficial. It should be free and not take a lot of time. That might also give the instructor some time to determine who may actually be a threat; based on their behavior in the class.

One thing that is clear to me is that something has to be done. I realized with the last school shooting that I'm beginning to get numb to the reports. I just glanced right over the news article until it occurred to me that this was a new shooting, and not just more reporting about the one that happened a week earlier.

-dex

a reply to: DigginFoTroof

This is an email that is not true or real but it does make one think IMO.

For those that don't know him, *Major General Peter Cosgrove *is

> an Australian.
>
>
>
> *General Cosgrove was interviewed on the radio recently.*
> *Read his reply to the lady who interviewed him concerning
> guns and children.*
> *Regardless of how you feel about gun laws you have to love this!*
> *This is one of the best comeback lines of all time.*
> *This is a portion of an ABC radio interview between a female
> broadcaster and General Cosgrove who was about to sponsor a
> Boy Scout Troop visiting his military Headquarters.**
> *
> *FEMALE INTERVIEWER:**
> So, General Cosgrove, what things are you going to teach these
> young boys when they visit your base?**
>
> GENERAL COSGROVE:
> We're going to teach them climbing, canoeing, archery and
> shooting..**
>
> FEMALE INTERVIEWER:
> Shooting! That's a bit irresponsible, isn't it?**
>
> GENERAL COSGROVE:
> I don't see why, they'll be properly supervised on the rifle
> range.**
>
> FEMALE INTERVIEWER:
> Don't you admit that this is a terribly dangerous activity to
> be teaching children?**
>
> GENERAL COSGROVE:
> I don't see how. We will be teaching them proper rifle
> discipline before they even touch a firearm.****
>
> FEMALE INTERVIEWER:**
> But you're equipping them to become violent killers.**
>
> GENERAL COSGROVE:
> Well, Ma'am, you're equipped to be a prostitute, but you're
> not one, are you?**
>
> *
> */The broadcast/**//**/went silent for 46 seconds and when it
> returned, the interview was over./*

Again after checking, this is fake.... however I wish it were true !

The NWO/socialist when or if they get into full blown control mode can not have the peons armed.. First the guns, then the knives (which they have banned over a certain length in many countries), then self driving vehicles (dangerous and can't have the peons distracted or intent on driving on sidewalks and killing people) once they get the bugs worked out of autonomous rides then no telling what else once they have full control..

A government big enough to give you everything you want, is strong enough to take everything you have.
-Thomas Jefferson

America is lucky to have the Constitution and the 2d amendment even though the parasites continue to try and nibble it away.

a reply to: DexterRiley

Call me stoopid, but I keep hoping for an honest discussion on gun control. In that light, I'd like to address your concerns.

1. Restrict some mentally ill people from being able to quickly purchase firearms. Of course, a timely and efficient appeals process should be available.

In theory, I like this idea. The issue that I have with it is not the idea itself, but a recent tendency to attribute any behavior not in line with what others are thinking as evidence of "mental illness." Oppositional Defiant Disorder stands out in my mind as a prime example of how anyone can be targeted as "mentally ill." I realize it is considered limited to children at this time, but so was ADHD at one time; now it can affect adults as well.

If there were some way to ensure that someone would not use redefinition to circumvent the common sense in the proposal, I might could get on board with this.

2. Stronger legal repercussions for parents that enable these mass shooting. In several cases parents have either purchased the weapons for their kids, or left them with full access to their personal gun collections. I don't think responsible gun owners do this as a matter of course. So, sometimes it is necessary to put laws in place to keep the stupid people in line.

I'm torn. On one hand, parents who are obviously negligent should indeed bear the legal responsibility for actions of their minor children they have aided and abetted. But on the other hand, I see another potential intrusion into legitimate exercise of gun rights: children can be sneaky and vindictive at times, and it is not always possible (or even reasonable) to take extreme steps to ensure a child will not at some point grab a gun.

In my day, that almost never happened... but that was back when parents actually educated their children about the dangers and use of firearms.

3. Maybe a short waiting period between purchasing the weapon and picking it up for first-time buyers. I agree this may cause a little inconvenience. However, someone who is not too well grounded in reality, or dead set on causing mayhem, may calm down in the day or two it takes to get the gun.

I have no real issue with this. Of course, I have little faith in it making a difference either. What it will do is encourage those with violent tendencies to go ahead and get a cheap gun just so they don't have waiting periods later.

At present, handguns already have a waiting period as well. Perhaps that is why the rifles and shotguns are becoming more commonplace.

4. Some people are just too stupid to have any kind of weapon. Perhaps a training class requirement might be beneficial. It should be free and not take a lot of time. That might also give the instructor some time to determine who may actually be a threat; based on their behavior in the class.

I like this one the best of all. Alabama now has a law that anyone not grandfathered must pass a NRA-certified gun safety course before they can get a hunting license. I fully support that, especially since the classes are free.

I do believe education is the key. We have become a society that on one hand is so terrified of firearms that we try to pretend they don't exist as far as our children are concerned, and on the other hand we seem to celebrate those who are proficient with the (often violent) use of a firearm. Witness Rambo, Platoon, and a long list of other movies, TV shows, and video games. Is it any wonder our kids are becoming so confused about the proper use and operation of firearms?

TheRedneck

originally posted by: Whoisjohngalt
a reply to: Allaroundyou

Well thats what a LOT of people in the media representing that left are saying. Its is also what i heard people who dont know much about guns say in person. Granted, just because its what im exposed to, doesnt necessarily mean its what the left in the country think. But if thats the case, then people need to start stepping up and saying "i support this gun control law, but this is also where i draw the line and no more laws after that" because everytime i and a lot of people like me hear anyone mention gun control i think they are driving a nonstop train to confiscation town.

But, i would like to know what your common sense gun laws are.

Ok so I have thought about this for awhile now. I love me a gun show but think that those guns being sold by private sellers to others that the buyer should still have to pass a check.
Gun should have to be registered every half year and the failure to do so could result in a fine or jail time.
It is pretty simple but I never wanted this idea to be extreme seeing as I own guns. I like mine and would never give them up. But I would have no problem reregistering them if such a law was in place.
This type of law could help keep violent offenders always from owning arms and domestic gun traffickers from doing their bid.

a reply to: DigginFoTroof

The left loves to throw out vague terms and champion them. They never say how exactly they are going to do these things, just that they are nice, feel good ideas.

"common sense" gun control.

"discussions" on race.

"Progress" for minorities and women.

On and on and on. Nothing of any substance, just tell yourself all these nice things because who wants to actually solve problems when you can feel good about yourself for having such high ideals.

a reply to: DigginFoTroof

If you apply common sense you will realize how stupid the comment is,ads aimed at the aimless aka liberals

If we cannot agree on the definition of an assault weapon, the odds of us ever agreeing on "common sense" gun control are some where in the neighborhood of slim and none.. and slim just got hit by a meteor.

a reply to: DigginFoTroof

Psssh give everyone a gun, Darwins law will weed out many...

JK JK not funny really and I understand you are trying to have a real discussion about gun laws.

I am on the fence, would I use an "assault" weapon to go hunting with? Of course not, but would I use an assault rifle to protect my family or my freedoms? yes sir!

It all boils down to my freedoms being stripped one at a time in the land of the free and quite frankly I'm sick of it. Will I practice safe gun ownership? always! Now it boils down to who you allow to own firearms. Can I manipulate the system if I'm not able to own a gun? of course! Shoot I could drive less than 9 miles, with the right amount of cash and buy any firearm I wanted.. Proven fact, people need to get their head out of the sand and see criminals can do just that. It's honestly terrifying and I will always own a gun because of that FACT.

a reply to: MarlbBlack

What is an assault weapon?

originally posted by: Allaroundyou

originally posted by: Whoisjohngalt
a reply to: Allaroundyou

Well thats what a LOT of people in the media representing that left are saying. Its is also what i heard people who dont know much about guns say in person. Granted, just because its what im exposed to, doesnt necessarily mean its what the left in the country think. But if thats the case, then people need to start stepping up and saying "i support this gun control law, but this is also where i draw the line and no more laws after that" because everytime i and a lot of people like me hear anyone mention gun control i think they are driving a nonstop train to confiscation town.

But, i would like to know what your common sense gun laws are.

Ok so I have thought about this for awhile now. I love me a gun show but think that those guns being sold by private sellers to others that the buyer should still have to pass a check.
Gun should have to be registered every half year and the failure to do so could result in a fine or jail time.
It is pretty simple but I never wanted this idea to be extreme seeing as I own guns. I like mine and would never give them up. But I would have no problem reregistering them if such a law was in place.
This type of law could help keep violent offenders always from owning arms and domestic gun traffickers from doing their bid.

I have always said that the background checks address the issue at too late a stage. If there is reason enough to believe that someone is either mentally unstable enough or too violent to own a gun, they should either be in a mental institution, or have recieved a stronger sentence. Tossing broken people into society but only denying them one tool to hurt others is a recipe for disaster. BUT thats not the system we have. So if there was a way to do quick, FREE background checks that didnt record any of the information, with a free, time efficient appeals process, i wouldnt mind.
As for registering arms, that is unacceptable. The whole point of having an armed populace was to hold the government accountable. If that state could just go in and disarm the rabble rousers that appear on whatever the successor to carnivore is, it defeats the purpose. Also, thats too much of a burden to have to constantly keep registering something. And you know the government would attach a fee to that

originally posted by: DigginFoTroof

First off, we do not need children telling us what laws we need when it comes to the fundamentals of our country. Most of us remember being that age and how many of us thought we were much more intelligent and wise than we actually were. The thing is, that SOME of us grow out of that, the rest join the Democratic Party and put victimized & traumatized children in front of camera's to push their agenda.

Right there is where I stopped reading. Did the s+f thing then went back to finish. Thank you for expressing the frustrations shared by millions.

Of course the Dems must know this. The whole thing is a massive troll meant to annoy us.

originally posted by: Whoisjohngalt
a reply to: MarlbBlack

What is an assault weapon?

Whatever your assailant has in his or her hands at the moment of assault.