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Why would you think the Hudson Valley UFOs aren't us?
originally posted by: 111DPKING111
If some of the good sightings like Levelland, Westall , Colares , Hudson Valley, or Belgium are all just military sightings - so be it. But if they arent us, its only reasonable to assume they are alien. Its just insulting peoples intelligence to say otherwise.
I thought the Hudson valley stories were largely true and the UFOs were determined to be flown by The Martians, who were identified so after that identification they weren't really UFOs anymore.
originally posted by: mirageman
Of course it doesn't make the story false but it introduces a huge element of doubt. If it isn't true then how many other stories might not be true? Which means we come back to how do we decide the wheat from the chaff.
This alleged UFO only existed at a time and place where the Martians were doing their nighttime formation flying. The UFO looked the same, behaved the same, it flew in the same way and in the same place. Would that not be a staggering coincidence? Isn't it more likely that our human perceptual errors and confirmation bias and selective memory and all the other cognitive phenomena that shape our perceptions played some role here? Personally, I think it is.
What does all the data MUFON have accumulated actually tell us that we didn't know 30,40 or 50 years ago?
Of course it doesn't make the story false but it introduces a huge element of doubt. If it isn't true then how many other stories might not be true? Which means we come back to how do we decide the wheat from the chaff.
Why would you think the Hudson Valley UFOs aren't us?
And even if you don't know that, it's still not right to assume it's alien just because you don't know what it is. That's the theme of this thread which you don't seem to get.
My personal guess is we are under some kind of observation by at least one alien species, maybe a group of scientist. Even if there was some kind of disclosure, its possible thats all the inform
I tried to do some digging into the Indian point part of the sighting but didnt come up with anything online
However if you dont believe the other parts of it, I think your skepticism is without hope MM!
In my opinion, if it wasnt humans operating that V, its only natural for someone to think it was aliens.
MinotUFO
originally posted by: karl 12
a reply to: mirageman
Time is a bit of a factor at the mo but when it comes to Mr Davenport I'd imagine he's a bit swamped due to the fact that the only thing the US Government does when one of its citizens reports a UFO is to give his number out and put the phone down (maybe Bigelows as well but that report then becomes private data) - I know he's trying to get his passive radar idea off the ground whilst singlehandedly manning the hotline so hats off to him - you're also not wrong about the need to crunch the data and ask who's going to pay for definitive study (maybe we should both volunteer )
If we are left to guess then it probably means that the evidence and reports that MUFON have acquired over the years doesn't place us much further on from the 1950s.
if Phil Imbrogno is untrustworthy and his particular account about the UFO over the Indian Point Power Station was falsified then how many other people have told such stories? How many false UFO stories are out there?
Its a massive leap and not natural to go from unknown to alien life form.
'Our own view is that humanity knows very little about the true nature of unexplained UFO reports and that the only way to resolve this lack of understanding is through serious scientific study'
originally posted by: 111DPKING111
In the case of Hudson Valley, if it wasnt humans operating that huge V(and maybe it us), is it so crazy to assume it was aliens?
See 21:20
originally posted by: 111DPKING111
However if calling them UAPs or whatever gets more eyes/funding on it, go for it.