MGTOW - Men Going Their Own Way, Thanks Feminism

so many red flags with the op.
how many times does he say hes so great and amazing goodlooking, athletic.
im afraid the only common denominator with your failed relationships is you my friend maybe women arent the issue its you.

im not saying all women are saints but i know more women who have been abandoned by men when they got pregnant than men who had their kids taken from them, and in the end it takes two to tango.
i find these mgtow and incels quite interesting as they blame everyone and everything except themselves for failed relationships or lack of sex.
women dont owe you sex or a happy life only you can provide that, ony you can make you happy.

when it comes to dating (i might be out of sink as ive been in a relationship with the same man since i was 16 and im 32 in july) ive found this saying very true '' men fear rejection women fear being killed''.
ets just look at the news in the last 12 months how many women have committed murder suicide compared to men, how many women have killed innocent men because they have been rejected compared to men.
i watched a stand up comedian not long ago and HE said not she. men will go on and on about how they dated crazy women, how the crazy ex was just well crazy, why are their no stories about women and their crazy boyfriends, well because if womans boyfriend is crazy they die (not my words)
yes their are crazy killer women im not saying their isnt and yes their are male rape victims and male domestic violence victims and they need as much support from the community as the female victims.

fact is most of these mgtow and incel boys want a perfect wife girlfriend perfect looks cooks cleans is his undying slave but they dont bring anything to the table themselves.

a reply to: dawnstar

Well, clearly your "friend" was in a situation that she needed to remove herself and her children from, but her partner doesn't represent the majority of men, nor does your "friend" represent the majority of single mom situations.

No one is arguing that people should stay in abusive relationships, so your response seems misplaced. What I was responding to was the notion that... because women have access to sperm banks they don't need a man to have a child. While that notion is true, just because people can make selfish choices to have children alone (your "friend" clearly didn't utilize a sperm bank to make that choice) doesn't mean that those choices are healthy, or good for a prospective child's development. The statistics have long been gathered, and the crime rates of children who grow up without a father in their life are highly disturbing by comparison to those who grow up in a stable family setting that includes both parents.

a reply to: Krazysh0t

I don’t need or care to justify my looks to you.

And you’re wrong. Alpha vs. beta is a real thing. Trust me, I have been both, so I know. Extreme alpha when I met her. Then 5 years later had turned into a BMP (beta male provider). Of coarse, I didn’t know it at the time. Just knew I was very unhappy. Now, I’m back to being alpha and it will never reverse again. It’s important to feel the power within yourself.

I have the feeling you’re a BMP. Thus you adamantly defending your version of truth. I don’t know you, but it’s easy to see you lack empathy sir. I would never come into a discussion of something I had no experience in, and adamantly proclaim its BS. Hell, you even admitted to not reading the comments in this thread. How could you know?

a reply to: redmage

Agreed
My ex wife (most trusted loving friend) just lived in two different houses a couple of minutes walk from each other so our son could see us both when we weren't doing 'joint parenting' stuff together.
All my friends had/have similar arrangements with ex partners, it's the way forward working as a team in my opinion.

a reply to: kerrichin

We tend to target the aspects we find most offensive, then extrapolate that out as a nigh universal generalization. Then, we tend to further cement this by grasping the lowest hanging fruit of the lowest common denominator provided by the target group. Doing this allows us to easily dismiss anything and everything we wish, and much is done subconsciously.

This is done across the board from liberals and conservatives to MGTOW and "crazy women." A given social group is predefined in our minds and then we only see the things that support our preconceived notions.

The really visceral reactions we see on say, this topic or even one like flat earth, tends to come from folks that are also extremely outspoken and active on other topics like politics.

I feel this is a relatively natural tendency that has gone a bit out of control with modern information and communication technology. Instead of considering anything even remotely valid, it is marginalized and dismissed.

Unsurprisingly, this results in a pretty fractured society. If we add in the possibility of intentionally increasing this divide in order to gain something like voters, we really might be looking at a problem that will only continue to get worse as interactions between disparate social groups becomes strained to the breaking point.

originally posted by: Sublimecraft

originally posted by: GuidedKill

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: GuidedKill

And who does the sperm come from?

From the linked article. So, apparently you didn't read it.

Ultimately the question is, does “mankind” really need men? With human cloning technology just around the corner and enough frozen sperm in the world to already populate many generations, perhaps we should perform a cost-benefit analysis.

And who did that sperm come from?

Didn't you get the memo? sperm manifests out of thin air in frozen state in a lab somewhere, from some time in the past and therefore men are not needed because 'surplus sperm exists' therefore degrees in medicine now teach that sperm comes from magic unicorns - sperm DOES NOT come from men, I repeat, sperm does not come from men.

The producers of the surplus sperm frozen from some time in the past being referenced by that poster - the producers of that sperm are magic unicorns - not men.

Do you now understand?

Good.

Apparently, sperm no longer comes from men because, and here's the clincher, men are not needed.

Hail the almighty Unicorn!

*bows



Clearly Will Ferrell was fake news when he told her, and Im quoting, "I've traveled 5000 miles to bring you my SEED!"

a reply to: kerrichin

how many times does he say hes so great and amazing goodlooking, athletic.

Truth hurts

originally posted by: Nyiah
When I compare people I know who've married young versus the ones who waited until much later, the ones married much later are already divorced, and fairly aimless.

Interesting, when I compare those I've known it's been the exact opposite. In fact, when I was younger my peers would often joke that I needed to get on a "starter marriage" to get it over and out of the way.

Perhaps it's a regional difference.

originally posted by: UnBreakable

originally posted by: AScrubWhoDied
I've been married for over decade to a wonderful woman. She's the best thing to happen to me.

Incel's are jealous little bitches [snipped]

There are some shady women out there for sure, but if you can't find a good one then you need to realize that you're the common denominator between all of em.

You'd be surprised at the amount of boys out here sticking their chest's out pretending to be men that wouldn't know how to treat a woman if their lives depended on it.

A decade isn’t squat. I was happily married, or so I thought for 27 years. I came home one day from work and my wife tells me she filed for divorce, the reason being she said we were going in “different directions”. Luckily both our kids are adult age so no custody battles or child support. I have absolutely no interest in getting into another relationship. When I want to take care of business, I call an escort service. It’s a lot cheaper in the long run than investing time and money in another exhausting relationship.

Do I detect a little jelly in there?

I'm sorry your wife left you after 27 years - it happens, but don't think you've fooled me into believe that you were the perfect husband and your wife spontaneously left you for no reason at all.

If an escort is a 1 to 1 replacement to your old marriage then.... surprise.

So much venom toward women here. Its funny, a little depressing, but still funny.

a reply to: AScrubWhoDied

So much venom toward women here. Its funny, a little depressing, but still funny.

I hear women say the same thing all the time, I think it comes down to a cultural issue where moral relativism and a lack of values have essentially ruined our social paradigm

originally posted by: starviego


That is plain to see when you look at the social and legal changes happening in the last 50 years:


--Sexual Revolution, which unhinged the sex act from marriage and children.

--Feminism, which taught women that being a stay-at-home-mom is a waste of their talent.

--Decline in the earning capacity of the male breadwinner, which causes women to have to go out into the workplace and lose respect for their men.

--Generous welfare laws which makes it possible for women to support a family without benefit of men.

--Domestic violence laws, which end up removing the father from the home.

--Subversive messages in media, which mock the traditional male breadwinner image.

--Mandatory public schooling laws, vaccination laws, child safety seat laws, and a host of others which take control from the male head-of-household and gives it to the state.

Etc, etc.

this would work if not for the fact some women dont want to be house wives some women want to work and be self sufficient, some women want careers and want is wrong with that.
how is staying at home and cooking and cleaning a talent especially a female only talent i know plenty of male chefs also without certain women in history we wouldnt have bullet proof vests, wifi, wind shield wiper, fire escape and other computer software, where they wasting there talents by going out and making things.
how are getting vaccations a bad thing and seat belts for that matter is the male ego so fragile they feel threatened by safety and their children surviving illnesses that killed millions in the past who im sure would of loved the vaccination. also how is it only the men who get to decide on the safety of children
also sex before marriage has been around long before marriage and as long as people had genitals, just it was seen as ok for men to sleep around while the woman had to stay home and be a happy virgin (who they slept with i dont know seeing as women were either married or virgins.....oh wait.


also just because people are married does not make them happy and a happy relationship, staying together for the kids does not work if both parties are not happy or even one of them. marriage is not the be all and end all, i think people lok back at hostory with rose tinted glasses.

but above all think alot of men are really worried that equality for women means they will be treated like women were before equailty

a reply to: toysforadults

We may use a bit different language and concepts, but I also think a lot of these things are indicative of bigger problems.

Problems that may very well spiral completely out of control, if they haven't started to already. In certain contexts, learning how to complement each other is applauded, like with teamwork in sports or even the workplace. Yet, in general, it seems like many folks don't even see it as a possibility, much less something to actively work towards. And then, if it is worked towards, many will just demand "they" change.

Its all been framed incredibly well, even if I feel its a detrimental narrative to participate in and perpetuate.

originally posted by: CornishCeltGuy
a reply to: redmage

Agreed

My ex wife (most trusted loving friend) just lived in two different houses a couple of minutes walk from each other so our son could see us both when we weren't doing 'joint parenting' stuff together.
All my friends had/have similar arrangements with ex partners, it's the way forward working as a team in my opinion.

Yes, exactly!

We live longer lives. We have more opportunities, more interests, etc.

Couples today can and do grow apart because of diversity.

Many "grow" with it - - stay close as friends and parents - - but, go in personal different directions.

Be open to new ways and kinds of relationships.

originally posted by: toysforadults
a reply to: kerrichin

how many times does he say hes so great and amazing goodlooking, athletic.

Truth hurts[/qthe more a person has to say they are good looking the more its over exaggerating

if your good at something or are something you dont need to say it

originally posted by: AScrubWhoDied


So much venom toward women here. Its funny, a little depressing, but still funny.

its so much easier to blame those pesky women than accept the problem or issue is closer to home

originally posted by: kerrichin
so many red flags with the op.
how many times does he say hes so great and amazing goodlooking, athletic.
im afraid the only common denominator with your failed relationships is you my friend maybe women arent the issue its you.

So you base that on him saying he's athletic and that he thinks he is attractive.
How does he mentioning his appearance as he perceives it, give any indication of who or how he is as a person and how he treats his partners?
Do all athletic good looking types mistreat others because reaons?

Gee I wonder what comes to mind when you see someone write they are black.....

im not saying all women are saints but i know more women who have been abandoned by men when they got pregnant than men who had their kids taken from them, and in the end it takes two to tango.
i find these mgtow and incels quite interesting as they blame everyone and everything except themselves for failed relationships or lack of sex.
women dont owe you sex or a happy life only you can provide that, ony you can make you happy.

Got some figures to back that up? No because that is your opinon. Nothing else.
Funnily enough I can say exactly the same about many women.
My last 3 neighbours had serious domestic issues. A lot of child abuse. (Must be something about that house...)
Every day I'd hear massive fights, kids and partner being verbally abused and threatened, lots of screaming, to the point I can hear it what is being said with my doors and windows shut.
You know who I heard 24/7 each time. The woman. Even while the husband/boyfriend was at work.
All 3 mothers daily abused their kids emotionally and possibly physically. Last family the cops were always around. And quite surprisingly it was always the mother/wife who would be taken away screaming and hollering abuse at every one.

Point is it is not one thing purely related to men or women when it comes to behaviors.
I've seen for myself the same amount of nasty A-hole women as I have men in my lifetime as I have seen just as many good men as I have good women.
Long story short, women can be just as bad as men. It is just society and the media views and portrays each differently

"Monster Father Kills Children" headlines vs "Poor Mother Was Depressed"

I've seen men and children be abused by women, think I once read 44% of 'reported DV' was men were the victims by women at least in western societies.
And that is only reported cases, because men are less likely to report a crime than women. Especially one that society tells them they're pathetic for letting a woman beat and abuse them.
Yet I rarely if ever have seen domestiv violence protection services aimed or marketed towards male victims.

I've also known many more women who have left their husbands and or taken the kids, for some new guy that said nice things to them on facebook. Doesn't mean some men do not do the same.
And that's kind of the point. Regardless of gender we're all humans. We all do stupid #. EQUALLY.

But please, stop putting it all on men.

People need to take responsibility for themselves and their relationships. We need to stop this generalization based on solely gender and throwing entire groups of people under the bus.

It should just be a matter of what is acceptable human behavior and how we as humans should treat one another yes?
Poor behavior should not be applauded regardless of who is doing it.

You have to keep in mind while women may be less inclined to get physical with men, you have to account for how easy a man can be gaoled because his girlfriend was angry over something stupid or a woman got stalker level crazy, that there are more ways to ruin a persons life easily with a simple tweet and easy access to abuse of law enforcement designed to protect real victims.
And it is no surprise you get so many men killing themselves.

Sure some of that is just personal opinion, based on my own experiences, and clearly my opinions and experiences differ to yours.
And that's okay because I am not you and I have not seen through your eyes as you've not seen through mine.
I can at least respect you're views and opinion though

But some of what I have said is pure fact that anyone can spend 5 minutes to research and I am admittedly too lazy to google up and link.

But it's sad many have such a one sided tunnel visioned view of what is a much bigger problem.

And maybe I am a little bias because I am one guy who had his life at one point completely destroyed by a 'scorned woman' and experienced first hand how awful it is to have the police you trust be turned into a nightmare weapon against you.
I would get arrested and placed in a cell, because she just had to tell them I had breached non-existent and completely imaginary bail orders and restraining orders etc, just on her say so.
Yet not once was she charged and dealt with for filing false complaints.

Police here in Australia even told me that in a domestic situation, regardless of who is at fault and what the evidence shows, they have been ordered to remove the male from the situation.
And police just overall respond differently to a violent woman than they would a man. (Being able to cry on demand helps a lot I think.)

But yes, I at least know not all women are like that and didn't feel the urge to swear off women for life because of her.
I didn't play the victim and chose to own my life and fix my own problems.
Maybe more people need to do the same? All I know is is if people want equality, it's not gonna work when it's never
truly equal.

On the upside, more and more female pedo's are being outed in the media lately. (I know of possibly the same amount of female sex offenders than male ones too by the way)
So maybe we're slowly getting on the right track.
After all gotta hope society isn't completely beyond hope and doomed right?

But yeah, look at the whole story not selectively choose what you want to see.

a reply to: Serdgiam

We may use a bit different language and concepts, but I also think a lot of these things are indicative of bigger problems.

kudos for thinking deeper and bigger and I totally agree with you here

Problems that may very well spiral completely out of control, if they haven't started to already.

I watched a video from one of these guys and he said this is going to cause nuclear level damage to society, I agree, just look at how many single parents there are out there

originally posted by: KKLOCO
a reply to: Krazysh0t

I don’t need or care to justify my looks to you.

Yet you keep talking about how you look to me. I'm a guy. I don't give a # what you look like regardless.

And you’re wrong. Alpha vs. beta is a real thing. Trust me, I have been both, so I know. Extreme alpha when I met her. Then 5 years later had turned into a BMP (beta male provider). Of coarse, I didn’t know it at the time. Just knew I was very unhappy. Now, I’m back to being alpha and it will never reverse again. It’s important to feel the power within yourself.

Saying, "Nope you're wrong!" doesn't magically make you right. You are still wrong and the alpha beta dynamic is false.

I have the feeling you’re a BMP. Thus you adamantly defending your version of truth. I don’t know you, but it’s easy to see you lack empathy sir. I would never come into a discussion of something I had no experience in, and adamantly proclaim its BS. Hell, you even admitted to not reading the comments in this thread. How could you know?

I'm not that because it doesn't exist. Stop labeling # unnecessarily. I literally posted a source that backs up what I said and you decide to insult me instead (well in your own deluded way since I don't believe BMPs are a real thing). I'm guessing you didn't read my source either. So, how could you know? Oh that's right, you arrogantly believe that your experiences are reflective of all reality.

a reply to: AtomicKangaroo

I think the real thing that I've noticed in this thread and the other thread that I've start recently is that there is a strong resonance within our culture with this topic weather it's women feeling this way about men or vice versa

maybe we should be asking ourselves, how did we grow so distant in understanding that we've come to this point and what happened to values that kept my grandmothers generation together forever?

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
I'm not that because it doesn't exist.

I won't label you, but it certainly does exist. I believe there is a couple growing sexual sub culture predicated specifically on it.

Examples of BMP's:

Sugar Daddy's/Mommy's
Cucks
Etc.

As sad as it is, it has become a way for a select few to justify their existence in this world.