Ok Dems' do you want Communism or not?

originally posted by: Justoneman


How many anecdotes about missing citizens never to be seen again who dare speak out against Clinton?

Ok Dems' do you want Communism or not.


Not!!..I'm a capitalist at heart, I love being in the Black, I feel great seeing tangible rewards for my efforts, what I want is, economic justice, safety net for those in need without shame, a hand up not handouts to help the less fortunate among us move upwards, that investing in people is always a good thing and make for a more prosperous egalitarian society.

Yeah I know this was addressed to Dems, but I answered because I'm a lib..and no!! It's not exactly the same.

a reply to: Justoneman

It's nice to see that I'm not the only one who sees a desperate attempt by DC politicians to bring about communism.


And to be clear, I'm not talking about the awesome communism that many seem to talk about. This isn't the great communism that exists in think tanks and classrooms. This isn't the awesome communism of rainbows and unicorns.

This is the communism of the authoritarian state.

This is the communism of dictatorial government. The antithesis of freedom.

I accuse both republicans AND democrats of trying to make government the sole arbiter of all of life's decisions and directions.


Everything from state run healthcare to guaranteed incomes to jobs for everyone provided by and for the government is being brought up now.


They don't even hide it any more.

a reply to: Justoneman

That sounds like one more for draining the swamp.

Draining the swamp is a catchphrase , it has no base in reality , it's more of the same partisan BS used by the political elite to control minds.

Brainwashed meme from one of the D bots!
That is priceless irony!

I'm not a D bot because I'm not a brainwashed American , I think both your parties are as scummy as each other , just like the politicians in my own country.

originally posted by: Spider879
Ok Dems' do you want Communism or not.


Not!!..I'm a capitalist at heart, I love being in the Black, I feel great seeing tangible rewards for my efforts, what I want is, economic justice, safety net for those in need without shame, a hand up not handouts to help the less fortunate among us move upwards, that investing in people is always a good thing and make for a more prosperous egalitarian society.

Yeah I know this was addressed to Dems, but I answered because I'm a lib..and no!! It's not exactly the same.

Lib, I think I am too. I am a Libertarian and that makes us "conservatives" for the time being. Liberal is Capitalism if you study it closely. It is this system where you get to do what you want if you don't harm others and allows a court system to balance it out even though that is not perfect. The argument with the socialist/communist types would be about saying someones words, not those undone deeds, do harm. IF that is how they want it, then the 1st amendment dies for all not just me. (Next one? well of course.)

originally posted by: gortex
a reply to: Justoneman

That sounds like one more for draining the swamp.

Draining the swamp is a catchphrase , it has no base in reality , it's more of the same partisan BS used by the political elite to control minds.

Brainwashed meme from one of the D bots!
That is priceless irony!

I'm not a D bot because I'm not a brainwashed American , I think both your parties are as scummy as each other , just like the politicians in my own country.

Yeah, I know you're not with the US but that doesn't make you speaking up for the Uniparty any less real. Those who do not do what is best for the citizens of the US or throughout the world in many peoples estimation, are what we should focus upon to 'drain the swamp' , so to speak.

Another useless thread debating which outdated failed system is better, and a swarm of supporters of team x ranting about how terrible team y is.

We are humans. A species, always on the edge of greater things or killing one another over scraps. We collectively have created the systems we live in, and we have the creativity to do better.

Capitalism has helped us advance a lot There are a lot of good things to be said for capitalism but there are plenty of flaws in the system, a lot of abuse of the system. There are a lot of people looking for ways to make the system work better (Tea Party to Occupy Wall Street). And, a lot of labels thrown around depending on weather team x or y purposes the change.

Capitalism and communism are black and white labels in a world of shades of gray. The system we operate in is not pure capitalism and there has never been a pure communist system in our world.

a reply to: gortex

Here is the problem with society.

"TIME FOR A CHANGE!"

You shout it and feel like you want it, but all you articulate is what you think you don't want with nothing of the specifics of what you do or what that would really, honestly mean or how it would implement.

History has had folks like this. They have been called useful idiots by those who used them to tear down older ways of doing things to implement newer, far worse ones.

It's not enough to think what you have is bad. If that is what you determine, then you have to finish out your mental leg work and know and understand what it is you are advocating for. If you don't, then you will walk us all off the plank and into hell.

a reply to: villagesmithie

There never will be a pure communist system either. Human nature forbids it.

originally posted by: villagesmithie
Another useless thread debating which outdated failed system is better, and a swarm of supporters of team x ranting about how terrible team y is.

We are humans. A species, always on the edge of greater things or killing one another over scraps. We collectively have created the systems we live in, and we have the creativity to do better.

Capitalism has helped us advance a lot There are a lot of good things to be said for capitalism but there are plenty of flaws in the system, a lot of abuse of the system. There are a lot of people looking for ways to make the system work better (Tea Party to Occupy Wall Street). And, a lot of labels thrown around depending on weather team x or y purposes the change.

Capitalism and communism are black and white labels in a world of shades of gray. The system we operate in is not pure capitalism and there has never been a pure communist system in our world.

But my OP defined it as RINO's and the Uniparty. Your last paragraph makes sense because they are really Totalitarian declaring as Communist. Using a false flag to keep the power structure under 'their' rule.

a reply to: Justoneman

I don't speak for any party , I have a low opinion of all politicians but am willing to give credit where credit is due , Obama did good things for your country but that doesn't mean I thing he was a good President , in a lot of ways he was just as bad as the rest of them.

My thoughts on Trump are well known but if a time comes where I think he deserves credit then credit I will give , it bothers me how so many members of this website have so much faith invested in a politician and political ideology that is so removed from the reality of the world today that it's almost scary.

It's a sad reflection on both the world we live in and the website we frequent that this populist political BS is so prevalent.

a reply to: gortex


So we as a society should eliminate the police force?

How does having a police force compare to say the Khmer Rouge in Cambodia, or the Bolsheviks in Russia, or China's "Great Leap Forward" under Mao?

Who is making money off of these police killings you posted?

a reply to: gortex

What good things did Obama do?

a reply to: 200Plus

So we as a society should eliminate the police force?

Perhaps society should pressure their politicians to do more to control their police force , your police seem to operate on a shoot first ask questions later basis , control by fear.

Politicians don't care about citizens as long as they pay pay their taxes and run around their own little maze to keep them occupied , only when they act up do politicians take notice.

Who is making money off of these police killings you posted?

Undertakers.

Perhaps society should pressure their politicians to do more to control their police force

So the answer is to give the politicians more power to control more things?

Politicians don't care about citizens as long as they pay pay their taxes and run around their own little maze to keep them occupied , only when they act up do politicians take notice.

So, the same people you just got done saying should have even more power and control over the cops whom you think are brutalizing us, don't actually give a flying rats ass about us either? But you want them to have more power over the murder cops ... so they will have even more power over us, and they could give a crap what actually happens to us?

Do you not see the problem with this?

And then you say the only solution to make them see us is violent action ... which is where having more power and control over the murder cops suddenly comes in handy.



Oh, and then someone asked you *who* was making the money. You glibly shot back with "undertakers," but after you brushed up against truth by saying this:

Politicians don't care about citizens as long as they pay pay their taxes

You know what? You want them to take more control of the murder cops, but that ain't cheap. Guess who pays for their own murders now? We taxpayers will.

a reply to: ketsuko

Do you not see the problem with this?

Yes , you didn't understand what you read , I didn't say politicians should have more power I'm saying people should excercise more power over their politicians and their police force.

originally posted by: 200Plus
a reply to: gortex

Capitalist = increase economy by killing millions outside the border (wars), imprisoning millions inside the border, selling the welfare of the population to private interests, selling off the country's land and resources to private interests

Communist = increase the economy my killing millions inside the border (starvation/pogroms)

Not a huge difference but I'd rather not kill my own citizens if given the ultimate choice as a member of the proletariat.

Fixed that for you a bit. Communism, capitalism and any extreme forms of government are both ridiculous. Someone said it well above...both of those systems lead to an elite ruling class where ordinary people get #ed....none of the western world has been any kind of real Democratic (or repulic) system for a while now. In america both the Democrats and Republicans have done literally the same # for the last 20 years at least...that's being generous....and it's been about the same in Canada since about the early 2000's...at least.

I don't know enough about European or Australian governments to say when it started there...but it's all the same globalist bull# there too.

I really don't know what kind of #ed up world these people are trying make but it's not going to be that great for the average person.

a reply to: Justoneman

How far left do you THINK they have gone?

I wonder, because it seems to me that there is far too much private money involved in both Republican and Democrat Party politics, which, incidentally, disqualifies any of the players in either group, from being or advocating for Communist principles or policy.

Seems to me that the last thing a bunch of corporatist swine like those in the American political system, on any side would want, is a communist system. They are too crooked and in love with their own wealth, all of them, to care much for a system whose logical conclusion is the destruction of all currency, and a return to a simple barter/trade system.

originally posted by: gortex
a reply to: Justoneman

I don't speak for any party , I have a low opinion of all politicians but am willing to give credit where credit is due , Obama did good things for your country but that doesn't mean I thing he was a good President , in a lot of ways he was just as bad as the rest of them.

My thoughts on Trump are well known but if a time comes where I think he deserves credit then credit I will give , it bothers me how so many members of this website have so much faith invested in a politician and political ideology that is so removed from the reality of the world today that it's almost scary.

It's a sad reflection on both the world we live in and the website we frequent that this populist political BS is so prevalent.

It is not populist if the people, who decide how they are governed , are involved in the decisions is it? Besides I am not a populist I am a neutral libertarian who is saying you NON neutrals need to step back and look at it from both sides and then decide. I have decided communism, if it is what the left wants or not, is horrible and has never worked on a large scale and never will do to human selfishness of the leadership.

originally posted by: TrueBrit
a reply to: Justoneman

How far left do you THINK they have gone?

I wonder, because it seems to me that there is far too much private money involved in both Republican and Democrat Party politics, which, incidentally, disqualifies any of the players in either group, from being or advocating for Communist principles or policy.

Seems to me that the last thing a bunch of corporatist swine like those in the American political system, on any side would want, is a communist system. They are too crooked and in love with their own wealth, all of them, to care much for a system whose logical conclusion is the destruction of all currency, and a return to a simple barter/trade system.

Well, both RINO's and Dems have jumped on the "one world order" bandwagon. Which has proven to be about total control over the world where they are the "gospel" so to speak and it is not shared governance. As we have in the US have and supposedly you do in Great Britain too.


ETA

You are conflating criminal activity that should be prosecuted with the 'way it is supposed to be done'. The Cabal has captured this gov and bastardized Capitalism by gaming the system as we have seen with the Trump/Russian BS. They game it and then say blame the Jews, the blacks, the hispanics the Christians, and the Muslims.. Meanwhile they gain more and more and we lose ground daily to their power grab.