School Shooting Indiana Middle School One Dead So Far

originally posted by: network dude
a reply to: olaru12

I agree that bullying is likely a big part. I still have a hard time grasping how someone could kill innocent people and think that is OK. Where did empathy go?

No room for empathy when you are obsessed with making the pain stop. Reason and logic are dead in mental illness and obsession is cray cray.

Show a little empathy to the bullied one might help alleviate the problem, eh?

a reply to: KnightFire

I don't think prayer had anything to do with it. Or else the racism in the south 50 years ago would never have happened.

originally posted by: olaru12

originally posted by: network dude

originally posted by: olaru12

originally posted by: projectvxn
STOP #ING GLORIFYING MASS SHOOTERS LIKE THEY'RE ROCKSTARS!

What does it take?

Censorship....

Yes. When the news is reported, never ever mention the shooters name, take away his glory.
that would be easy and fast.

A kid that's bullied doesn't give a sh!t about glory...he wants revenge and he knows how to get it.

I went to high school in the late 80s and there were literally guns in gun racks of pickup trucks in the parking lot. But yet nobody was shot of even felt threatened.
What has changed?

a reply to: kurthall

1962
court ruling against prayer in public schools.

1963
court ruling against reading from the
Bible in public schools.

1980 court ruling against the ten
commandments in any public venue.

Before all this in a Christian founded
school system kids went to school with
thier hunting rifles still in their trucks.
And there were bullies in those days as well.
School shootings did not exist.

The trade off.

Now kids are taught gay is okay
and they're just the result of some
mistakes and mutations. Their lives
have no meaning because science
says there is no God and they just
evolved.

Secularism is the obvious undeniable
difference. Deny it all you want what's
broken now wasn't broken then.

originally posted by: randyvs
a reply to: kurthall

1962
court ruling against prayer in public schools.

1963
court ruling against reading from the
Bible in public schools.

1980 court ruling against the ten
commandments in any public venue.

Before all this in a Christian founded
school system kids went to school with
thier hunting rifles still in their trucks.
And there were bullies in those days as well.
School shootings did not exist.

The trade off.

Now kids are taught gay is okay
and they're just the result of some
mistakes and mutations. Their lives
have no meaning because science
says there is no God and they just
evolved.

Secularism is the obvious undeniable
difference. Deny it all you want what's
broken now wasn't broken then.

Yet they strung up black people and killed gays...

Nice try. But prayer and religion have nothing to do with it.

We have an incredibly bloody past. People in the west killed each other all the time.

For some reason rape is also higher in bible belt.

a reply to: Bluntone22

I live in a very liberal state where anyone can carry a gun and we have the lowest crime rate in the country.

originally posted by: luthier

originally posted by: eNumbra

originally posted by: luthier

originally posted by: eNumbra

originally posted by: luthier

originally posted by: eNumbra

originally posted by: kurthall
a reply to: kurthall


Why are there no metal detectors in schools yet???? Not one school with a metal detector has had a school shooting!!!! How many more have to die? If I were a parent with a kid in school, I would not send them until, security measures were in place. I would sign my kid up on line for school!

# costs money; school boards can’t be bothered to cut bloat to even pay teachers, nobody wants their taxes raised and you want metal detectors and people to staff them?
Monetary waste on unnecessary administrative positions and programs have been a huge problem in the school system for a long time, and will continue to complicate any attempt at improving the system.

Teachers bloated pay? That is a good one. Now unions are problem but teachers are not exactly highly paid.

Who said teachers? I said administrators.
If you’re not going to read my posts, don’t bother replying to them.

Well luckily I can reply to whatever I want since you are not in charge here but I do apologize.

However how do inner city schools afford this with even greater problems of finance?

Higher taxes, cuts to programs mostly, and the fact that inner city schools make up a minority of the school system in this country, some of which can’t btw, many city boards of education bleed money. You’re not affording anything if you’re constantly over budget.
There are severely underfunded schools outside the inner cities, how will they pay for these? Retrofitting every school on America with metal detectors will sport a price tag nobody will be willing to pay if that day come.

This can come from dept of education. It can be a federal program of assistance.
coming from where? Moneys gotta come from somewhere, cut spending or raise taxes.

And it's not a huge retrofit they are free standing objects. The protocol for what is allowed to be brought to school would change as would entry protocols once students are in.
it’s a huge retrofit because of the sheer number of schools in this country, and to be effective would need to not interfere incredibly with entry.

For instance the local police could help in the morning and leave once the masses are in and leave the standard sro.I hope they’re not busy that morning. You can’t simpky grab a officer off the local force for an hour, one of he reasons school resource officers are even effective are because they’re in school, they know the kids (to an extent) and know who the problems are. These would require dedicated staff

Luckily I live in place where people actually don't mind paying taxes for schools.

Lucky you.


Creating an entry protocol for the High School I went to, 1500 students iirc, would require detectors at The two front entrances which were 4, and 6 double doors abreast respectively. Doors would need to be converted to open from the inside only, locking them would violate fire codes, they’d need to be checked to make sure they hadn’t been propped open.

It’s never as simple as throw up a free standing metal detector.

Secularism is the obvious undeniable difference

if that is the only thing that is researched.

Religion teaching gay is bad is a preventive measure?

I have a child in elementary school and it sc@res the Sh1t out of me. Just yesterday I had found out that they make Kevlar plated back packs for children. I'm going to be looking into that.

However I don't think the problem is GUNS , its far more complicated than that.

Did these shootings occurred in schools back in the day when everyone had guns and was expected to carry? . Did bullying occur then and did these type of shootings occurred?

Also why is the issue prominent in public schools and why are White male the more common ones doing the shootings?

Honestly don't know but would be interested to find out and see what has changed with children and society that children are now shooting their classmates ? It appears that our SOCIETY is broken despite all the knowledge and technical progress we have made during the centuries.

This two party system that automatically points the finger biased on their agenda, is not going to help us fix the issue , it hasn't yet. They truly never let a good crisis go to waste.

Seriously people, get off your political party agendas and lets demand a non politically affiliated investigation to get answers and then lets come up with some valid solutions and address the real issue. Guns are not it, guns are only the means but their are plenty other means that are just as destructive, fertilizer bombs,vehicle man slaughter, pressure cookers, etc.

Also why isnt the left or right fighting for Gun detectors in every school verus getting on their Pro or Versus anti gun agenda? Unfortunately it has come to the sad reality of mandatory gun detectors.

Obama had the most mass shootings under his watch... and now almost every week we have a new school shooting that only further pushes the "take our guns" agenda. This cant all be a coincidence. I believe the Deep State is behind all of these school/mass shootings.

a reply to: olaru12

I'm all for the elimination of bullying. I tried like hell to teach my kids to look out for the unpopular ones and protect them. I don't know if it was effective, but nobody in my kids school has been shot to date.

I just think the problem is much bigger than any one thing. What makes a person want to kill others and think that's the solution to the problem?

If we just focus on guns, we miss the much bigger points, like yours.

I was bullied a bit. I even tried my hand at bullying until the kids bigger sister beat me to a pulp. Getting your ass kicked by a girl isn't the kind of street cred a bully needs.

originally posted by: Bluntone22

originally posted by: olaru12

originally posted by: network dude

originally posted by: olaru12

originally posted by: projectvxn
STOP #ING GLORIFYING MASS SHOOTERS LIKE THEY'RE ROCKSTARS!

What does it take?

Censorship....

Yes. When the news is reported, never ever mention the shooters name, take away his glory.
that would be easy and fast.

A kid that's bullied doesn't give a sh!t about glory...he wants revenge and he knows how to get it.

I went to high school in the late 80s and there were literally guns in gun racks of pickup trucks in the parking lot. But yet nobody was shot of even felt threatened.
What has changed?

Can't you feel it....

The youth of our nation have a all encompassing feeling of hopelessness and dread of the future.


I'm glad I don't have any kids. Even the young people that work for me are constantly depressed...and they have good jobs.

a reply to: eNumbra

Yes sir cutting spending or raising taxes.

Every region would be differeno with officer availability but adding an hour on a shift isn't unfathomable, to change rotation. Notice I said leave the sro after the entry period.

Yep open from the inside only. Not a huge deal.


And there is very simple tech and very simple camera systems available now.

There is no way to help prevent the problem without creating a perimeter. Period.

a reply to: network dude

Its a whole chain of events. Kids today were raised by a generation reared on Dr Spock hokum. Combine that with the changes in school and the way that is approached (its wall to wall standardized testing with fewer and fewer opportunities for social interaction and physical exercise, along with zero tolerance policies that removed the ability to resolve disputes among students without having law enforcement involved, along with no viable dispute resolution mechanisms put in place to replace the old fashioned fist fight, etc, etc, etc), and with the drastic shift in the way we socialize (and the latency with developing coping mechanisms for this new socialization)....

Its a long series of events that have contributed to multiple issues within society. School shootings...why are we surprised when we can't agree on how to use the restroom? What, exactly, is logical in modern times?

a reply to: luthier

Racism and bigotry have nothing to
do with it. I don't even have to try to
call attention to the obvious.

Glaringly

a reply to: bigfatfurrytexan

Part of the solution is to trick congress, the Senate, and the white house an astroid is coming and they need to get on a spaceship. We then set the coordinates for the middle of the sun and elect people who can try and solve problems, have term limits, and bring people together to solve their own problems.

originally posted by: ForteanOrg
a reply to: Edumakated

Yeah, sure, it's media driven. So shooters use newspapers for bullets, shoot with automatic firing television sets and use social media to kill their victims. It's not that they have guns or so ..

In part it is definitely media driven... especially social media.

You're not considering the mental (fragile) aspect of kids and the want/need to feel wanted/accepted/to fit in.

Unfortunately, kids shutdown, or give up, or get so emotionally dead inside they turn to violence because they don't feel they have an outlet to express themselves in a truthful way.

Don't be ridiculous.

ACCESS to guns, especially with regards to kids, is also a serious issue.

originally posted by: Bluntone22

originally posted by: olaru12

originally posted by: network dude

originally posted by: olaru12

originally posted by: projectvxn
STOP #ING GLORIFYING MASS SHOOTERS LIKE THEY'RE ROCKSTARS!

What does it take?

Censorship....

Yes. When the news is reported, never ever mention the shooters name, take away his glory.
that would be easy and fast.

A kid that's bullied doesn't give a sh!t about glory...he wants revenge and he knows how to get it.

I went to high school in the late 80s and there were literally guns in gun racks of pickup trucks in the parking lot. But yet nobody was shot of even felt threatened.
What has changed?

We also weren't glued to hyper realistic FPS video games hours a day. We weren't absorbed with social media. We had to go outside and play to have fun. We also weren't coked up on SSRIs. The weird kids were weird... we thought they'd grow up to be serial killers, but never thought they shoot up a school.

originally posted by: randyvs
a reply to: luthier

Racism and bigotry have nothing to
do with it. I don't even have to try to
call attention to the obvious.

Glaringly

Why did people who prayed kill black people?

If it was the fabric holding people from violence?

originally posted by: network dude
a reply to: olaru12

I'm all for the elimination of bullying. I tried like hell to teach my kids to look out for the unpopular ones and protect them. I don't know if it was effective, but nobody in my kids school has been shot to date.

I just think the problem is much bigger than any one thing. What makes a person want to kill others and think that's the solution to the problem?

If we just focus on guns, we miss the much bigger points, like yours.

I was bullied a bit. I even tried my hand at bullying until the kids bigger sister beat me to a pulp. Getting your ass kicked by a girl isn't the kind of street cred a bully needs.

There were several instances in which I was punished for standing up to my bullies, or when reporting instances of bullying , I was made to feel as though it was my fault for provoking the bullying.

Combine the notion that you’re bringing it on yourself, with the fact that you will be punished equally, if not worse for throwing the first punch and you’ve got an angry vengeance stew brewing.
Fortunately, I realized none of it mattered long before I began entertaining thoughts like the ones these mass shooters do.