if you had proof of a god , would you actually worship it ?

originally posted by: Abednego

originally posted by: Woodcarver

originally posted by: Abednego

originally posted by: Woodcarver

originally posted by: Abednego
1. I'm convinced because I have had the experience to see the "other side".


2. Not to describe it, but to make one.

I know a guy who has the experience that he is John F Kennedy. You and him have the same amount of evidence to support these claims. How much validity would you give to his claim?

He is lying. I knew Kennedy before getting shot. I'm still roaming the Earth.

Would it also be fair to just call you a liar?

I've been called so many names, that one more will not surprise me.

But, answer the question. How valid is your assertion when compared to the assertions of others?

originally posted by: Jobeycool
Why do atheist have the worst concept and dumbed down arguments about God and Faith and the Bible

WHat concept of the atheist is worst and which arguments about God, the bible and faith are dumbed down in particular?

.......Like morality goes through their head and the screaming back and fourth with believers

Well, like you know, like, it's like, uhm, like it *doesn't* actually, like.

Where's the screaming? I don't recall any screaming. Or are you talking about something elsewhere on t'internet?

and atheist goes into a constant revolving door of I’m right no I’m right

Wouldn't the revolving door analogy work better if we were saying, "I'm right...no, I'm not...no, I am, no, I'm not..etc" ? Maybe you mean a broken record. You know, those vinyl things with grooves in them.

And I don't remember saying I'm "right" about God. All I say is I don't believe your claims about God.

.....This makes the case that someone has to be telling the truth....I will pick God instead of no God..Therefore you only make the case stronger of Faith by constantly bickering over it.

At the end of the day, there either is a God(s) or there is not. However I do not think we will ever come to know that answer. In the interim, I side with logic, common sense, reason and probability. Just like the rest of the universe.

A guy named Ray Comfort who approaches strangers proves we are all guilty of this.....Only way to solve it is repenting to Christ and forgiving each other.....Geeee that is what Jesus said to do.

I'll never repent to someone I don't trust or believe. Maybe someone existed who represented the ideals and teachings this 'Jesus' character is meant to be. But I have my doubts that such a person ever existed, let alone was anything more than a mortal human being, albeit a person with some pretty sound philosophies.

If there's anything that annoys me, it's illogical thinking and assumption of the divine in the absence of knowledge. I'm not saying there is no God or divinity in the universe. I'm just saying it's never made itself known to me and I certainly do not need it to find love, beauty, morality and compassion in the universe and the world around me.

originally posted by: Woodcarver

originally posted by: Abednego

originally posted by: Woodcarver

originally posted by: Abednego
1. I'm convinced because I have had the experience to see the "other side".


2. Not to describe it, but to make one.

I know a guy who has the experience that he is John F Kennedy. You and him have the same amount of evidence to support these claims. How much validity would you give to his claim?

He is lying. I knew Kennedy before getting shot. I'm still roaming the Earth.

Would it also be fair to just call you a liar?

Says the guy who claims to be a Scientist.
Hey Woodcarver, how do you get any Science done when your lab space is all taken up by your wood lathe and materials to make your Harry Potter wands?

originally posted by: Woodcarver

originally posted by: Jobeycool
Why do atheist have the worst concept and dumbed down arguments about God and Faith and the Bible.......Like morality goes through their head and the screaming back and fourth with believers and atheist goes into a constant revolving door of I’m right no I’m right.....This makes the case that someone has to be telling the truth....I will pick God instead of no God..Therefore you only make the case stronger of Faith by constantly bickering over it.
A guy named Ray Comfort who approaches strangers proves we are all guilty of this.....Only way to solve it is repenting to Christ and forgiving each other.....Geeee that is what Jesus said to do.

Uuhhhmmm... atheists are not the ones with concepts about god. We are the ones who don’t believe the many, many, many, dumbed down versions that theists are constantly presenting as fact. Why would you pick a concept that has absolutely no evidence to back it up? Faith is not a reason to accept gods, but rather an excuse to accept something that has close to a 0% probability of being true. You’re whole post here is the worst bit of logic that has been put forth in this thread so far.

I believe in Jesus and you have made it clear that you do not believe InGod or any gods.......The argument is all ready over right there.

Is 50/50.

Is there a possibility for God to exist? Yes.
Is there a possibility for God not exist? Yes.
Is there a probability for God to exist? Yes
Is there a probability for God not exist? Yes.

a reply to: Woodcarver

Either you can demonstrate that your claims are valid, or you have no reason to assert them in the first place. 

Have you ever thought of maybe doing it
yourself. Instead of running
around ATS try'n to get everyone else
to do it for you?

It is your interest. Obviously.

originally posted by: Ruiner1978

originally posted by: Woodcarver

originally posted by: Abednego

originally posted by: Woodcarver

originally posted by: Abednego
1. I'm convinced because I have had the experience to see the "other side".


2. Not to describe it, but to make one.

I know a guy who has the experience that he is John F Kennedy. You and him have the same amount of evidence to support these claims. How much validity would you give to his claim?

He is lying. I knew Kennedy before getting shot. I'm still roaming the Earth.

Would it also be fair to just call you a liar?

Says the guy who claims to be a Scientist.
Hey Woodcarver, how do you get any Science done when your lab space is all taken up by your wood lathe and materials to make your Harry Potter wands?

my woodshop and my offices and lab space are about 5 miles away from eachother, so, that has never been a problem.

a reply to: randyvs
Lol, he's not claiming there are no gods, just he doesn't believe there are, same as me.
Face it Rand, you got nothing except blind faith to bring to the table. I'll change my stance if you get some verifiable evidence to support your god claims though, I of course use logic and reason.

originally posted by: Abednego
Is 50/50.

Is there a possibility for God to exist? Yes.
Is there a possibility for God not exist? Yes.
Is there a probability for God to exist? Yes
Is there a probability for God not exist? Yes.

Aaaaaaaand Science scores a point for the Theists!
The crowd goes wild!
This match ends on a draw, folks!

Join us next time when the Solipsists will be asking Woodcarver to prove that the material world actually exists!

originally posted by: randyvs
a reply to: Woodcarver

Either you can demonstrate that your claims are valid, or you have no reason to assert them in the first place. 

Have you ever thought of maybe doing it
yourself. Instead of running
around ATS try'n to get everyone else
to do it for you?

It is your interest. Obviously.

It is my interest, among other things as well. Let’s collaborate on that very thing. You present the evidence that compelled you to believe, and i’ll test it’s merit.

originally posted by: Woodcarver

originally posted by: Ruiner1978

originally posted by: Woodcarver

originally posted by: Abednego

originally posted by: Woodcarver

originally posted by: Abednego
1. I'm convinced because I have had the experience to see the "other side".


2. Not to describe it, but to make one.

I know a guy who has the experience that he is John F Kennedy. You and him have the same amount of evidence to support these claims. How much validity would you give to his claim?

He is lying. I knew Kennedy before getting shot. I'm still roaming the Earth.

Would it also be fair to just call you a liar?

Says the guy who claims to be a Scientist.
Hey Woodcarver, how do you get any Science done when your lab space is all taken up by your wood lathe and materials to make your Harry Potter wands?

my woodshop and my offices and lab space are about 5 miles away from eachother, so, that has never been a problem.

Expelliarmus!

originally posted by: Abednego
Is 50/50.

Is there a possibility for God to exist? Yes.
Is there a possibility for God not exist? Yes.
Is there a probability for God to exist? Yes
Is there a probability for God not exist? Yes.

We literally just had this convo a couple of pages ago. We calculate probability by collecting as much evidence that supports such a claim, evaluating that evidence, and then coming to a conclusion.

So first, we need to look at this evidence. What? There is none? Well then that clearly puts the probability close to zero. Unless you have some evidence that no one else has seen yet?

originally posted by: Woodcarver

originally posted by: Abednego
Is 50/50.

Is there a possibility for God to exist? Yes.
Is there a possibility for God not exist? Yes.
Is there a probability for God to exist? Yes
Is there a probability for God not exist? Yes.

We literally just had this convo a couple of pages ago. We calculate probability by collecting as much evidence that supports such a claim, evaluating that evidence, and then coming to a conclusion.

So first, we need to look at this evidence. What? There is none? Well then that clearly puts the probability close to zero. Unless you have some evidence that no one else has seen yet?

Expelli... armus!!!

originally posted by: Woodcarver
So first, we need to look at this evidence. What? There is none? Well then that clearly puts the probability close to zero. Unless you have some evidence that no one else has seen yet?

PMSL!!
Actually did laugh out loud reading it!
I'm open to change if anyone has any verifiable evidence, but, as you say, there is none.

Going back to the OP question, if an all knowing god was shown to be proven then why would I even bother pretending to worship it? It would surely already know I thought it was a barbaric monster. Pretty crap god if it needed me to tell it.
"Yeah, carry on eating your popcorn mate while you watch children starve to death, prick"

a reply to: ignorant_ape

If I was shown a god existed, my first thought would be that it was one of many. Just look at how many different religions and denominations there are, each with their own god or their own interpretation of God. There are already many gods on Earth, we are not a monotheist world.

Therefore, I would have to see what this god's views on things were before choosing to worship him/her or not. I don't think that just because someone is a god, that everything they say or do is without fault, or that they can't be criticized.

What if this god was a God of Darkness or something? I mean, that affects whether or not I would worship him/her.

However - one advantage of being shown proof of a god is the possibility of being able to legitimately communicate directly with him/her and therefore not be subject to misinterpretations by prophets.

originally posted by: Woodcarver

originally posted by: Abednego
Is 50/50.

Is there a possibility for God to exist? Yes.
Is there a possibility for God not exist? Yes.
Is there a probability for God to exist? Yes
Is there a probability for God not exist? Yes.

We literally just had this convo a couple of pages ago. We calculate probability by collecting as much evidence that supports such a claim, evaluating that evidence, and then coming to a conclusion.

So first, we need to look at this evidence. What? There is none? Well then that clearly puts the probability close to zero. Unless you have some evidence that no one else has seen yet?

Based on what you just typed. The evidence is zero for both. Still 50/50.

originally posted by: Abednego

originally posted by: Woodcarver

originally posted by: Abednego
Is 50/50.

Is there a possibility for God to exist? Yes.
Is there a possibility for God not exist? Yes.
Is there a probability for God to exist? Yes
Is there a probability for God not exist? Yes.

We literally just had this convo a couple of pages ago. We calculate probability by collecting as much evidence that supports such a claim, evaluating that evidence, and then coming to a conclusion.

So first, we need to look at this evidence. What? There is none? Well then that clearly puts the probability close to zero. Unless you have some evidence that no one else has seen yet?

Based on what you just typed. The evidence is zero for both. Still 50/50.

Sorry, but that is not how that works. For instance, there is no evidence that supports the existence of dragons. Would you say the probability for them existing is 50/50? I can find stories about them in books.

originally posted by: Abednego
Is 50/50.

Is there a possibility for God to exist? Yes.
Is there a possibility for God not exist? Yes.
Is there a probability for God to exist? Yes
Is there a probability for God not exist? Yes.

What do you mean by "God?" Until you can properly define it (without contradictions or paradoxes), I think you'd have a hard time figuring out to what degree (---------- ? -----------) exists. What are the odds "░▓░░░▓▓" exists?

a reply to: Woodcarver

I use the dragon line as well, and ask why nobody calls me an adragonist lol