The Hill - Obama Education secretary: Pull children out of schools until gun laws change

Fine. Hurt your kids education until my rights are violated..

Sounds like a good plan.

a reply to: Zelun

People ARE pulling their kids out of schools at record rates, but it's due to the indoctrination of the kids and the crazy gay trans bs not anything to do with school shootings...

This seems like more bs to try and change the narrative from we need to change the curriculum back to REAL schooling to, SEE we need to take your guns...

The left pulls this bs ALL the time...

Jaden

a reply to: hopenotfeariswhatweneed

That is certainly part and partial to solving this issue. Boys, and girls, should be allowed to be boys, and girls. Is it odd that in school, many of my friends, and myself, favorite class involved just that? Playing games? A reasonable amount of rough-housing. Instead, we get playground equipment removed as dangerous.

The playground is where most of us learned the rules of life. Generally speaking that rule was: You get back, exactly what you put out. That's a generalization, of course, but the gist of it should come through.

Boycotting school, 'til the gun laws change.

That right there tells you all one really needs to know...he doesn't care about the kids, they're a tool for his agenda, or part of it, anyway. The contents of my gun cabinet.

Who, praytell, Mr. former education sec. is going to educate the kids in the meantime?? You do realize, don't you, Mr. former education secretary, that such things do take rather a largish amount of time?? So, in the meantime, who, Mr. former education sec., is going to make sure the kids can read, write, and cipher to something resembling an acceptable level...?

How about, instead, we address teachers, and school admin. lack of accountability in allowing situations to fester until these horrifying acts occur? You know, make actually do their jobs?? That, rather than worry about the contents of my gun cabinet?

Or is that too hard? I know it doesn't get the flashy headlines, but it might actually make a difference...

a reply to: hopenotfeariswhatweneed

Those are the lessons that usually stick though, aren't they? The trick is to survive them.

Well, there is a bluff and a half. No way the left would pull their precious, little malleable minds out of their indoctrination centers.

Has anyone ever considered that when we immediately vilify the perpetrators of these acts and treat them like a cookie cutter kind of evil that it becomes sort of a self-fulfilling prophecy. I know this doesn't apply to all cases, but a lot of these individuals are just broken people that need someone to listen to them - especially in the case of the young perpetrators. When they begin having these thoughts and they're conditioned to view themselves as evil for doing so it becomes kind of a MK-Ultra-like scenario almost like they are being pre-programmed to carry out the deed. I know it sounds insane and no one is probably going to listen to me, but imagine if we didn't condition young people this way and they felt like they could open up and talk to someone about these problems with people they actually feel care about them and are willing to help them. And not have some knee-jerk reaction like drugging them or locking them up simply for being a confused kid. I guarantee they would be less likely to turn to the gun as a last resort.

If it's not schools ,it will be malls, libraries, you know .....any fun free zone ,which now seem to be the most unsafe places you can go .

If America seriously wants to combat this problem they need to put their money where their mouth is. Have one entrance only with metal detectors and a armed security guard at the bare minimum in every school in the country. The Federal govt could subsidize this. America has the money and capabilities to do this, like right now. They could at the very least have temporary detectors installed ASAP. More gun laws are not going to stop this from happening again.

a reply to: Zelun


Mr. Duncan should lead by example.

then put them back into the same exact school system that produces children who want to kill their classmates

geniuses running everything

truancy laws could complicate this i guess the parents could all say they were going to home school them ,some schools suspended kids who walked out to protest last time while others suspended kids who didnt participate . throw in the penalties in some states such as fines and potential jail time for parents who's kids become truant and it gets more complex. hell kids died at one walk out last time so nothing in this world is entirely safe (it was an extreme example but kid was hit by a car trying to play frogger on a highway)

a reply to: mtnshredder

Got a star for that one!

And you are quite correct, secure entrances TSA style are the only solution to this. That and Homeschool Internet education. And in Texas at least, people are going that route in droves.

a reply to: Zelun

There we go. Let's inflame the subject even more.

Let them stay home. As soon as they hit the limit for number of total days that can be missed, they will have a knock on the door, OR if not, the child then skips grades until they go back to school. Sure. Punish the child, that's it.

What a bunch of complete loons.

Fred..

Fine with me, although I dont have any kids.

Most of my friends homeschool their children anyway, because they dont like the indoctrination chambers, and bs coming out of the schools anyway....

And they have plenty of social structure, most of them play sports or are involved in other groups as well.

Hell one of my friends daughters just got accepted to an Ivy League college lol, although im not sure how well that culture shock is gonna work.

why the focus on guns when many thousands more students are killed every year by knives and many other ways?

the school system has a violent crime problem, not a gun problem.

a reply to: Zelun

Good!

Let 'em.

The sooner the public school system fails; the better.

For every kid that gets pulled out, that's funding the schools lose. Maybe once the system is pulled apart for whatever reason, we can start again to build something that really works.

a reply to: ketsuko

Good! Let 'em. The sooner the public school system fails; the better.

I think that happened quite a while ago......its basically just a zombie at this point

a reply to: ManBehindTheMask

It is a zombie doing some incredible damage to our kids. The sooner people realize it, the better.

It's the end of the year ?????

Really a week or two to go?????


Morons just deal with the bullying. I have a goof friend who's grandson is in major trouble for planning a rampage but was stopped the day before. The cops are treating it like it happened and they are patting each other on the back for stopping it when it was the family that turned the kid in.

It's not the gun it's their classmates.

If people really wanted to solve the issue of school fatalities they would focus on the causes instead of the symptoms. Without addressing the causes, the symptoms (like school shootings) will simply find new deadly methods to express themselves. I'd wager that we would see a drastic reduction, if not elimination, of such tragedies if two simple steps were taken.

1) ZERO tolerance for bullying in schools. If your child can't behave by treating others with respect at school, then expulsion should be the course of action. Force parents to actually TEACH their child how to behave, and the kid can try again next school year.

2) Legally restrict social media profiles (facebook, instagram, twitter, etc.) to 18+. There is no good reason for any child to be posting personal information online, and social media has magnified "traditional bullying" to the point of true torture pushing more and more kids over the edge every year. Once upon a time bullied kids could at least find some reprieve when they got home from school. With today's social media obsession there is no reprieve. Bullying continues 24/7 pushing more and more kids past the human breaking point.

The fact of the matter is that in today's world it's been proven time and time again that bullying eventually has very real and deadly consequences. I realize that it's much easier for people to blame inanimate objects than to take responsibility for their own actions, but enough is enough. No amount of punishing law abiding gun owners will solve these issues. Ban guns entirely, and you'll see kids hacking their way through the halls with machetes. Ban knives, and kids will pull a fire alarm to plow down the exiting crowd with a vehicle. Crying about the symptoms is just a futile exercise of whack-a-mole if the root causes are not addressed.

a reply to: redmage

It would help enormously if we trended away from everything electronic having to be internet enabled.

It's much easier to steer your kid away from social media if you don't have to have you kid online with every single device they have, but every game has to be internet connected for example. Microsoft Office is an online license now.