NYT tries it’s best to spin intel community spying on trump as ok

The quick take on the 4,100-word opus is that the Gray Lady “buried the lede.” Fair enough: You have to dig pretty deep to find that the FBI ran “at least one government informant” against the Trump campaign — and to note that the Times learned this because “current and former officials” leaked to reporters the same classified information about which, just days ago, the Justice Department shrieked “Extortion!” when Congress asked about it.

But that’s not even the most important of the buried ledes. What the Times story makes explicit, with studious understatement, is that the Obama administration used its counterintelligence powers to investigate the opposition party’s presidential campaign.

That is, there was no criminal predicate to justify an investigation of any Trump-campaign official. So, the FBI did not open a criminal investigation. Instead, the bureau opened a counterintelligence investigation and hoped that evidence of crimes committed by Trump officials would emerge. But it is an abuse of power to use counterintelligence powers, including spying and electronic surveillance, to conduct what is actually a criminal investigation.

www.nationalreview.com...

Interesting article showing how the NYT is trying their best to spin the spying of a political opponent by Obama’s intel community as somehow ok

The article makes the point that there was no where near enough evidence to start a criminal investigation, so they started a counter intelligence one

I will comment more later

If they are spinning it then that means they can no longer hide it.

a reply to: Grambler

Of course!

You need this for your own good.

RE: Patriot Act.

a reply to: Grambler


Democrats heads will explode when they learn that President Barack Obama himself OK'd this multi-faceted operation against President Trump.

Since when was an informant relaying information to law enforcement spying?

originally posted by: carewemust
a reply to: Grambler


Democrats heads will explode when they learn that President Barack Obama himself OK'd this multi-faceted operation against President Trump.

Not really.

After all, Stormy will fix it and why does it matter at this point anyway?

Obama was just trying to stop the orange antichrist!!!!

Trump took THREE scoops of ice cream this week... ZOMFG stop the presses!!!!!

That is all you are going to see from the DNC organ formerly known as our news agencies if that happens.

originally posted by: TinfoilTP
If they are spinning it then that means they can no longer hide it.

This is all going to come out and be confirmed, that is the whole purpose of the NYT''s piece. To get out in front of the story.

originally posted by: Pyle
Since when was an informant relaying information to law enforcement spying?

It starts in earnest....

originally posted by: Pyle
Since when was an informant relaying information to law enforcement spying?

Since when was spying on an American citizen spying, you mean...

I bet you your mental gymnastics since Nov 20 2016 have changed you to the point that you have to screw your socks on in the morning.

originally posted by: carewemust
a reply to: Grambler


Democrats heads will explode when they learn that President Barack Obama himself OK'd this multi-faceted operation against President Trump.

Their heads should explode but I don’t think they will.
Because they think it is ok to do something like this against Trump.....that he somehow deserved it etc.
I defy you to show me a Dem that has a conscience against wrong doing.

originally posted by: annoyedpharmacist

originally posted by: TinfoilTP
If they are spinning it then that means they can no longer hide it.

This is all going to come out and be confirmed, that is the whole purpose of the NYT''s piece. To get out in front of the story.

Absolutely.

originally posted by: annoyedpharmacist

originally posted by: TinfoilTP
If they are spinning it then that means they can no longer hide it.

This is all going to come out and be confirmed, that is the whole purpose of the NYT''s piece. To get out in front of the story.

Bingo! But as usual, all we have is another liberal media outlet that comes up short. It's too late for "positive spin".

originally posted by: TinfoilTP

originally posted by: Pyle
Since when was an informant relaying information to law enforcement spying?

It starts in earnest....

You are right, people are doing there best to conflate informant with spy. I wonder how this whole thing will end.

originally posted by: Lumenari

originally posted by: Pyle
Since when was an informant relaying information to law enforcement spying?

Since when was spying on an American citizen spying, you mean...

I bet you your mental gymnastics since Nov 20 2016 have changed you to the point that you have to screw your socks on in the morning.

What? An informant is not a spy. Similar as they both give information to others but are very different things.

originally posted by: Pyle

originally posted by: TinfoilTP

originally posted by: Pyle
Since when was an informant relaying information to law enforcement spying?

It starts in earnest....

You are right, people are doing there best to conflate informant with spy. I wonder how this whole thing will end.

What do you call a person the fbi asks to contact people and assertain info from them?

How about when the fbi gets a fisa warrant to wiretap a phone?

How about when the fbi us s papers to jcome t even have to get a warrant to get phone records on people?

I would call that spying

originally posted by: Lumenari

originally posted by: carewemust
a reply to: Grambler


Democrats heads will explode when they learn that President Barack Obama himself OK'd this multi-faceted operation against President Trump.

Not really.

After all, Stormy will fix it and why does it matter at this point anyway?

Obama was just trying to stop the orange antichrist!!!!

Trump took THREE scoops of ice cream this week... ZOMFG stop the presses!!!!!

That is all you are going to see from the DNC organ formerly known as our news agencies if that happens.

Obama was just trying to stop the orange antichrist!!!!

In Obama's case , that should read orange "dajjal"

originally posted by: Pyle

originally posted by: TinfoilTP

originally posted by: Pyle
Since when was an informant relaying information to law enforcement spying?

It starts in earnest....

You are right, people are doing there best to conflate informant with spy. I wonder how this whole thing will end.

If the FBI put a person in before there was an investigation of a real documented crime to inform on, then it is spying.

originally posted by: Grambler

originally posted by: Pyle

originally posted by: TinfoilTP

originally posted by: Pyle
Since when was an informant relaying information to law enforcement spying?

It starts in earnest....

You are right, people are doing there best to conflate informant with spy. I wonder how this whole thing will end.

What do you call a person the fbi asks to contact people and assertain info from them?

How about when the fbi gets a fisa warrant to wiretap a phone?

How about when the fbi us s papers to jcome t even have to get a warrant to get phone records on people?

I would call that spying

Its called an informant.

As you said its a wiretap. Not sure why you are confused when you used the word for the thing in your question.

(You might want to clean up your third statement. I am going to reply to what I think you mean.) A warrant or simply asking a phone company can get law enforcement phone records it is not something unique to the Trump investigation.

originally posted by: Pyle

originally posted by: Lumenari

originally posted by: Pyle
Since when was an informant relaying information to law enforcement spying?

Since when was spying on an American citizen spying, you mean...

I bet you your mental gymnastics since Nov 20 2016 have changed you to the point that you have to screw your socks on in the morning.

What? An informant is not a spy. Similar as they both give information to others but are very different things.

Wait till we hear about the fact that at least 5 regular undercover FBI agents were assigned inside.

And they had DNC operators inside too (dozens).

And the Trump Campaign had them ALL pegged from Day1.

Now all we get from the MSM is the buttering-up efforts to keep the Citizens Civil.

All the conspiracies coming true is making the MSM shiver and shake.

The MSM is so desperate, they've got people believing MS13 are good people !!

"everything's better with blue bonnet on it"

It's the "spread-ability" !!

originally posted by: TinfoilTP

originally posted by: Pyle

originally posted by: TinfoilTP

originally posted by: Pyle
Since when was an informant relaying information to law enforcement spying?

It starts in earnest....

You are right, people are doing there best to conflate informant with spy. I wonder how this whole thing will end.

If the FBI put a person in before there was an investigation of a real documented crime to inform on, then it is spying.

The NYT article only says they met with an informant. A person can turn informant AFTER they meet with people or join organizations. For all we know that informant was Pence.