Arab historian says there are no Palestine people.

originally posted by: Britguy
a reply to: nwtrucker

Why do we need a “solution for the Jews”?

Those that even today move to Israel do so knowing that they will displace others in order for more Jewish only settlements to be built. That is morally and ethically wrong!
Once there they even get to terrorise and attack the Palestinians, to try and force them off their land, often with a police or army escort as they carry out the attacks and vandalise crops and buildings.

They are not refugees fleeing oppression and moving to Israel, but are doing so based entirely on religious grounds. I thought we were supposed to have evolved beyond such barbarism? Hell, even some Majority Islamic countries don’t act like that and operate under a secular system, allowing all to practice their chosen religion, free from persecution. Not Israel though, who sees itself as above all others.

As long as we are run by bought and paid for politicians, beholden to the money from the very small percentage Jewish donors, and allow such deep meddling in our affairs by them, then things will not change.
The mess the country is in is a direct result of their own greed and brutality towards the Palestinian people. They should be held accountable, as any other state should be.

Your post is beyond any credibility and frankly exposes your agenda. The same can be said for refugees accepted by any nation in the world. Displacement is the norm anywhere. It happens in the UK. It happens in the US.At least, the Jews accept any Jewish refugee whereas many Muslim nations are far more selective accepting Muslim refugees. To suggest that Jews aren't oppressed in Europe or other ME countries is an obvious falsehood. As if people would willingly emigrate to a location where one's life is at risk from missiles and suicide bombers if their original home was better. That concept is laughable.

Peace be with you.

a reply to: nwtrucker

are they being more selective though, or is it just that there are so many refugees on the move from so many different places that they don't have the means to handle them all??
jorden has taken alot of the palestinian refugees in the past and they are taking in quite a few syrian refugees at the present while the us and it's allies seem to have done more to destabilize the entire region and create chaos, which only leads to more refugees on the move!!
Isreal isn't just taking in the poor oppressed jewish refugees, they are forcing the inhabitants of the land to leave, so they can build more settlements for them. now, you tell me, just how you would feel, just how hard would you fight, if the US government decided that the town or city you are living in should be handed over to those poor syrian refugees and began forcing you out by gunpoint and made you and yours homeless refugees?
it seems that the first step in addressing the refugee problem, regardless of their race, their religion, their country of origin, would to stop doing those things that create massive numbers of refugees to begin with!! which means that we quit creating more instability in areas just because we want some stupid pipeline to go through the area so we can make a crap ton of money off it our investment in it. it means stop creating new settlements in areas occupied by the native people in Isreal. and, it means accepting those living among us and allowing them to feel safe among us... even when they might be a little different than us!! especially when those people were displace a few thousand years ago and living in europe all this time!! don't you think it's time yous accept them??

a reply to: nwtrucker

No credibility and exposes my agenda? Please expand on that vague allegation.

If anything, the only agenda I have is to see the Israelis held to the same expected norms of civility and international law as the rest of us.

Are you really also suggesting that Jews are moving to Israel from western nations because they are oppressed in their current locations and in danger? What utter tripe!

originally posted by: dawnstar
a reply to: nwtrucker

Isreal isn't just taking in the poor oppressed jewish refugees, they are forcing the inhabitants of the land to leave,
so they can build more settlements for them.

now, you tell me, just how you would feel, just how hard would you fight, if the US government decided that the town or city you are living in should be handed over to those poor syrian refugees and began forcing you out by gunpoint and made you and yours homeless refugees?

This is just not true. The last time anyone had to leave the West Bank for what ever reason was in 1967 during the Six Day War. Fifty freaking years ago Lyndon B Johnson was President of the US and 3 Astronauts had just died in a fire in the Apollo 1 capsule. An entirely different era, the vast majority of people alive today hadnt even been born yet. What was or wasnt done fifty or seventy years ago is not an indication of actual policy today.

As is true with the settlements. Do you know how many new settlements have been built in the last 25 years? One. Freaking one. A replacement for an evicted settlement and that was just stupid politics in Israel. Dont even know if it has been built yet, they just approved it in 2017. Personally i think that was a stupid move but on the other hand i dont think anyone should give two #s about some Jews being allowed to live on the wrong side of some hill.

Any and all building in the West Bank these days happens in the existing Settlements because - guess what - towns and villages tend to grow over time. In the West Bank just like anywhere else in the world. You cant just freeze development in an entire region for decades just because there is no peace.

And yes sure, there is alot of illegal stuff going on there, some religious or nationalistic nutjobs Setting up some trailers somewhere calling it an outpost. Such activity is illegal under Israeli law too and not condoned by the state. Personally i wish Israel would do more against those outpost, but this is little more than an almost childish game going which should be of little to no international relevance.

Again, no Palestinian had to leave to create Lebensraum for settlements or crap like that. Yes, many decades ago, a handful of arab villages were destroyed by the Israeli army for one reason or another. Does this suck? Of course it does. Was it illegal by todays standards? Probably. Does it warrant decacdes of terror and rivers of blood on both sides? Hell no. There is so much *injustice* on both sides of this conflict and one point you just have to accept the reality that you have lost something, suffered because of it and move on, do the best with your life.

How long is this supposed to go on, another fifty years? Will the grandchildren of the grandchildren of those who lost their homes somewhere still be killing Jews because of it? This is madness.

originally posted by: Britguy
a reply to: nwtrucker

No credibility and exposes my agenda? Please expand on that vague allegation.

If anything, the only agenda I have is to see the Israelis held to the same expected norms of civility and international law as the rest of us.

Are you really also suggesting that Jews are moving to Israel from western nations because they are oppressed in their current locations and in danger? What utter tripe!

Nothing vague at all in my comment of your agenda. It is limited by ATS decorum, however. Hopefully, your not so obtuse as to miss my meaning.

Your same 'norms' of civility and international law omits any comment of the same standards applied to the other side. A telling omission, in my view. From France? From Russia? From other ME nations? A resounding yes.

European attitudes to the Jewish State reflects the decades old anti-semitism that exists even now. The 'Christ killers' wouldn't be leaving friends and family for any other logical reason, despite your 'tripe' comment which rebuts nothing.

When Israel receives the same neighborly attitudes and you do, then you will likely seem similar attitudes as you so arrogantly demand of them now.

Israel has never been stronger. In essence, they've already won.

a reply to: dawnstar

Best solution I've heard yet. Sin no more... Anything else creates new problems no matter who's view wins.

I hope the judges invoke the Statute of Limitations....

originally posted by: dawnstar
a reply to: nwtrucker

are they being more selective though, or is it just that there are so many refugees on the move from so many different places that they don't have the means to handle them all??
jorden has taken alot of the palestinian refugees in the past and they are taking in quite a few syrian refugees at the present while the us and it's allies seem to have done more to destabilize the entire region and create chaos, which only leads to more refugees on the move!!
Isreal isn't just taking in the poor oppressed jewish refugees, they are forcing the inhabitants of the land to leave, so they can build more settlements for them. now, you tell me, just how you would feel, just how hard would you fight, if the US government decided that the town or city you are living in should be handed over to those poor syrian refugees and began forcing you out by gunpoint and made you and yours homeless refugees?
it seems that the first step in addressing the refugee problem, regardless of their race, their religion, their country of origin, would to stop doing those things that create massive numbers of refugees to begin with!! which means that we quit creating more instability in areas just because we want some stupid pipeline to go through the area so we can make a crap ton of money off it our investment in it. it means stop creating new settlements in areas occupied by the native people in Isreal. and, it means accepting those living among us and allowing them to feel safe among us... even when they might be a little different than us!! especially when those people were displace a few thousand years ago and living in europe all this time!! don't you think it's time yous accept them??

One of the posters has stated they haven't built more settlements. One planned but that's it. Growth more than expansion is what's implied. I don't know for sure either way.

P.S. Read Mightmight's post. About 3-4 back. He may have data on the subject.