Since when is SOCIALISM aka communism ok for Democrats to push in the USA? Soft targets....

So how could you possibly implement socialism without stepping on the Constitution?

Look what capitalism has done to the constitution. Most people have no real freedoms because they have to work as slaves to businesses their whole lives. We have unconstitutional wars, unconstitutional search and seizure, unconstitutionally letting lobbyists write laws, unconstitutionally seizing land for business development, unconstitutionally spying on people, etc, etc.

TheBlaze: California bill proposes to drop American holiday and replace it with this communist celebration. google.com...

Any one have questions? this is happening all over the United States don't be fooled 27 to 22? Really are our elected reps really reading what they pass?

TheBlaze: California bill proposes to drop American holiday and replace it with this communist celebration. google.com...

Any one have questions? this is happening all over the United States don't be fooled 27 to 22? Really are our elected reps really reading what they pass?

Sorry about the double post here's a better copy of the story for u to read


California bill proposes to drop American holiday and replace it with this communist celebration
TheBlaze
Chris Enloe · May 12, 2018
At least one California lawmaker wants his state to celebrate a communist holiday.

Miguel Santiago, a representative in California’s State Assembly, introduced legislation earlier this year that sought to replace Abraham Lincoln or George Washington’s birthday holidays with International Workers’ Day, a communist holiday also known as “May Day.”

What are the details?
The bill — AB-3042 — sought to combine Washington and Lincoln birthday festivities into one holiday known as “President’s Day” while designating May 1 for International Workers’ Day celebrations.

The bill would make May Day a state-mandated holiday and force schools “to commemorate and direct attention to the history of labor movements.”

What was the reaction to the bill?
One California assemblyman in particular lambasted the bill, which he said puts California in the running to become the “laughing stock” of the U.S.

“I’m aghast that a bill like this would be able to get through committee,” Republican Matthew Harper said. “Are we going that far to the left?”

“This is ridiculous, this is insane, his is un-American. And for folks who think that the U.S. won the Cold War with the Soviet Union, this makes it sound like we’re going in the other direction — that indeed California is kowtowing to the Soviet domination of the Cold War,” he added.

Did the bill pass?
The bill was initially approved by the education and appropriations committees, allowing for a vote on the Assembly floor. According to the Daily Caller, the bill was read three times on Thursday, finally failing in a vote of 27-22.

Santiago has already submitted a measure to reconsider the legislation.

Republicans are pushing a NAZI agenda on the U.S. that is MORE TOTALITARIAN than ever before. Think of wanting to deny service, even medical service, to gays and lesbians. Sometimes those NAZIS even get to the point of BEING AGAINST THE CONSTITUTION when things like free speech for Democrats are put into question or when they conspire to put NAZI right-wing news organizations in the Presidential press pool and to deny access to Democrats, who want the best for our nation.

Or what about the time when Trump violated the emoluments clause. Democrats, the saviors of our nation, want to explore Trump's business ties to Russia, in order to ensure the safety of our nation against his TRAITOROUS agenda.

What about Trump supporting NAZI-influenced protestors such as white nationalist protestors, calling them "Some very fine people." The connection between Trump, the Republican party, and NAZIS has never been clearer!

originally posted by: JBurns
a reply to: CB328

So how could you possibly implement socialism without stepping on the Constitution?

How could you possibly support the NAZI agenda of the Republicans without stepping on the constitution?

originally posted by: strongfp


It's funny you mention liberty for the individual. Isn't that what most Americans want?

Not Republicans. They want to control everything from which religion people have (Christianity) to what the smoke (regulating weed) to what sexual orientation they are (by denying service to gays and lesbians). Plus much more.

Democrats are obviously more for individual freedom than Republicans. They even allow Republicans to be Christians, or to be straight, or to not smoke weed.

That is why Republicans are NAZIS and Democrats are the ones upholding the constitution from those TRAITORS.

a reply to: TheJesuit

The irony is California produces 14 percent of the national GDP.

They pay for the federal government to pay for red states operating budget in many cases.

originally posted by: GBP/JPY
Communism ends up by far the bloodiest system....MAO did away with 70 million....he had green infected teeth....fact

I guess Trump and his NAZI supporters can't stand to that, as Hitler only killed around six million Jews and a few million other people. So good point. Communists kill more. Congratulations.

My satire was mostly targeting the title of the O.P. and the idea that Democrats = communist or socialist. And like much satire, there is truth in those posts. Looking at the definitions of communist or socialist and researching them for yourself, you will find that not only are Democrats not communist, even the ones that are socialist aren't that scary. They aren't going to kill lots of Americans. I could see they might harm capitalism, but pure capitalism harms people, too.

I do agree with compromising on both sides of the aisle. However, unlike many Republicans on here, I see that compromise requires there to be two sides. But yes, both Democrats and Republicans should be willing to compromise.

a reply to: darkbake

Agreed darkbake Satire is an excellent literary device, and very useful for making points that would otherwise require large and tedious explanations w/ examples

I use it frequently here

Just to reiterate..............

Did the bill pass?
The bill was initially approved by the education and appropriations committees, allowing for a vote on the Assembly floor. According to the Daily Caller, the bill was read three times on Thursday, finally failing in a vote of 27-22.

Santiago has already submitted a measure to reconsider the legislation.

..... 27-22 think about that just for a moment and tell me i'm wrong that a socialist/communist agenda isnt being pushed for ? is this the guy that had a tee-shirt espousing open borders or was that someone else?

originally posted by: TheJesuit
Just to reiterate..............

Did the bill pass?
The bill was initially approved by the education and appropriations committees, allowing for a vote on the Assembly floor. According to the Daily Caller, the bill was read three times on Thursday, finally failing in a vote of 27-22.

Santiago has already submitted a measure to reconsider the legislation.

..... 27-22 think about that just for a moment and tell me i'm wrong that a socialist/communist agenda isnt being pushed for ? is this the guy that had a tee-shirt espousing open borders or was that someone else?

California should choose to separate into three states so the producers on the coast can cut off the dead wood...see how well the people complaining about their liberal voting friends can pay their own way.

originally posted by: TheJesuit
Just to reiterate..............

Did the bill pass?
The bill was initially approved by the education and appropriations committees, allowing for a vote on the Assembly floor. According to the Daily Caller, the bill was read three times on Thursday, finally failing in a vote of 27-22.

Santiago has already submitted a measure to reconsider the legislation.

..... 27-22 think about that just for a moment and tell me i'm wrong that a socialist/communist agenda isnt being pushed for ? is this the guy that had a tee-shirt espousing open borders or was that someone else?

Open boarders is actually a free market principle. It's espoused by mises himself.

Wtf does that have to do with communism?

The libertarian perspective on immigration is often regarded as one of the core concepts of libertarian theory and philosophy.[1][2] Some libertarians assert that "[e]fforts by the government to manage the labor market are as apt to fail as similar efforts to protect domestic industries or orchestrate industrial policy. [...] If an immigrant seeks to engage in peaceful, voluntary transactions that do not threaten the freedom or security of the native-born, the government should not interfere".

a reply to: luthier

I am an independent who leans libertarian, with a bleeding heart.

Our politics sound very similar luthier Although sometimes I find my "bleeding heart" causes me to compromise on more things than I like, I still would take it any day over the alternatives. After all, compromise *is* healthy for our Democratic Republic

I think you really hit the nail on the head though, that the mission is "divide and conquer." If people in this nation/world stood together, regardless of political ideology/affiliation, imagine what would happen. No wonder the ultra-rich 0.1% would rather have us fighting. This way, we aren't asking them why the top X% of people have more wealth than the bottom X%, or why Oswald (a CIA agent) was never charged with Kennedy's murder, or what the truth is about ET visitors.. instead, most of us spend our time arguing about how to *best* screw over the other side

You are also right that both of the major parties have their own shortcomings, in that both have (at some point) gone after the Constitutional unalienable rights of the "others" and that is not the right thing to do

Of course, one could argue we already have "socialist" type programs in the US: from social security, to medicare and medicaid (among others). And I support these things, primarily because we (the collective "we") found a way to implement them/make them work without significantly burdening one particular group of people or infringing on anybody's Constitutional rights

I actually discussed this at decent length with another member on here previously, but the opinion I ended up with is that the ideology itself is neither good nor bad, and that its efficacy rests entirely on the implementation and consent of those living under such a system. Although I'm unsure whether as a species we're capable of altruistic motives, I do believe the diversity and multi-cultural nature of our country makes nation-wide socialism impossible to attain. But on a small community level, with an altruistic/democratic leadership and homogeneous population, I could see it working out

Thank you for the sincere and well thought out conversation

a reply to: JBurns

I wish we could all just let each other be who we are and stop making fun of each other. I find myself being the Devils advocate and using sarcasm to balance out narratives that seem uninformed...but then am I just playing in? Probably.

Facts are often ignored in politics. Fake morality seems to guide laws far too often. Let's blame a Crack epidemic for the socio economic failures and profit off of them. When in reality Crack is no different than coc aine as far as your brain or addiction. But it creates a scapegoat to distract society.

Much like partisan rhetoric. It's conservatives fault. It's the liberals.

Because the complex issues take multiple thoughtful conversations and serious consideration of fact. Something 3 minutes on cable news can't address.

Just a quick addendum***

A lot of small (especially rural) communities already have an unofficial type of socialism. For instance, I would never try to charge my neighbor a fee for borrowing tools when she needs to change the oil in her car. Nor would I ask the young couple down the road to repay money with interest when things get tight for them at the end of the month. Just as our neighbors have given us cooking ingredients (needed sugar for coffee once) or offered to grab us groceries while they were heading in to the super market (we are getting old)

In a way, our entire road is a self sustaining community. From collective defense (sharing cameras, "neighborhood" watch, etc) to anything else. It is this type of close-knit community that would be most viable, at least in my personal opinion, for socialist-type policies

In my view, this works for us so well because we are all invested in each other's successes and failures. Sure, we could isolate ourselves here freely and not a word would be said about it. But I find the benefits of this type of small-scale collectivism to greatly outweigh any costs

Not to mention the voluntary nature of our cooperation. If one of us decided to isolate and hole-up tomorrow, there is no risk of government death squads or other type of reprisal

a reply to: JBurns

A I would never try to charge my neighbor a fee for borrowing tools when she needs to change the oil in her car. Nor would I ask the young couple down the road to repay money with interest when things get tight for them at the end of the month. Just as our neighbors have given us cooking ingredients (needed sugar for coffee once) or offered to grab us groceries while they were heading in to the super market (we are getting old)

Nor would I. That's community.

In a way, our entire road is a self sustaining community. From collective defense (sharing cameras, "neighborhood" watch, etc) to anything else. It is this type of close-knit community that would be most viable, at least in my personal opinion, for socialist-type policies

Except for the road part, it's not self sustaining. Roads are maintained by government, supported by taxes. Infrastructure. It's a wise investment, like education.

In my view, this works for us so well because we are all invested in each other's successes and failures.

Good point. If people would mind their own business (on an individual scale).

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They push division to stay in control and distract. When both sides of the mob realise they are in the same ship everything will change.
#healthcare #2a #racism #immagration #patriotism #terrorism. Examine your own dichotomy, this world is not limited to only "good" and "bad". The truth is our government is not that bad, they just can't fix some of the major issues because those issues are spun for personal gain. When you acquire enough power to make change you have made it to the level that keeping it in place benefits you, so why change it. Progressivism and fascism are red herrings, only ment to deter bipartisan rational debate.
Just my thoughts.

Since when is Nazism ok to push by Republicans?

Oh, dont mind me I'm Independent...