The issue with atheism

a reply to: noonebutme

Noooo! Stay with us Randy, I'm only here for the entertainment.
I love reading your unverifiable claims of god creators, they are hilarious.

a reply to: CornishCeltGuy

Taylored at your request. Explain how
the first man became a living being and don't
just say abiogenesis like Christianity says
Genesis or God. Explain how we got here
and why were here? Where we came from and
where we're going? Replace your childishness
with answers that answer all the questions
the questions that God has answered. God
even gives it in detail. He breathed the breath
of life into Adam.

a reply to: noonebutme

I didn't know you had to prove your
statements in a court of law. Is that an
atheist court of law? On TV everyone just
swears on what the courts consider a Holy
book of truth. Your question is stupid but
at least I answer yours.

a reply to: randyvs

I don't know dude, I just don't believe in any gods because lack of evidence.
You are the one making the unverifiable claims, not me.

a reply to: CornishCeltGuy

Quote me

Lol So you don't have the first clue what did
happen but you just love to talk smack
like you know what didn't happen?

Very well troll on brotha
No more feeding the troll

a reply to: randyvs

I can't be arsed you are so full of it, you have nothing but faith lol.

originally posted by: randyvs
I didn't know you had to prove your statements in a court of law.

Yes, if you claim someone committed a crime, you have to prove it with evidence. Someone cannot be guilt of a crime in a court of law without evidence

Is that an atheist court of law?

No, just a court of law

On TV everyone just wears on what the courts consider a Holy book of truth.

No, people who are not religious are not required to swear on a holy book because they don't believe in it.

Your question is stupid but at least I answer yours.

What question did you ask? Ask me, I'm happy to answer

a reply to: noonebutme

No, people who are not religious are not required to swear on a holy book because they don't believe in it. 

So they can just get up there and lie
there ass off.
I guess there are advantages to being
an atheist.

Opps sorry I forgot about your lil
problem with labels.

originally posted by: randyvs
So they can just get up there and lie there ass off.

Well, no. If you lie then you are perjuring yourself. What would 'swearing' on a holy book do? How does that compel someone to tell the truth? It doesn't. You logic is very strange.

I guess there are advantages to being an atheist.

Yes. Freedom of thought.

So - what's the question you said I didn't answer? Please ask.

a reply to: noonebutme

The same one I asked cosmetic cat.
Pay attention.

a reply to: noonebutme

I have some questions

1. How old are you?
2. When you were a kid, did you grow up on a religious family?
3. Did you at some point believe in something, when growing up?
4. Did you at some point stop believing because something made you change your mind?
5. If you don't mind, what was that?

Or maybe you never believed right from the beginning?

I can say this for me, i never knew anything about religion until like about 3 years ago, i mostly just grew up without ever thinking about it or knowing any details so i don't have a real opinion on why people believe or what they feel.

As i explained before i didn't get a good experience when i tried to learn what it was all about and i don't have a concept of following anything at all, i just exist and focus on the things i like the most, i don't feel tied to any way of thinking or any religion or anything at all like people who feel the have to support democracy or socialism or whatever, i don't get why you have to chose sides

I feel like all this trillion pages of arguing over this are pointless, no one will ever win this and a better effort would be to discuss ways to prove/disprove or bring up a theory on how it could all work, just so that if it reaches a dead end it can be considered progress and mutual work in trying to figure out if it exists or not

I find this entire discussion sad and tiring. Keep throwing sticks and rocks at each other, human kind has been doing it for thousands of years, why change now right?

So anyway if you don't want to answer that's fine, and if you will again try to look down on me that's fine too, i'm just, like you said "a little very very sensitive girl" and that makes you right and me wrong somehow, so whatever. I'm 17 and don't treat me like i'm dumb

originally posted by: randyvs
The same one I asked cosmetic cat. Pay attention.

Ah sorry. I'm not as clever as people from Apple Valley.

You mean this?

Explain how the first man became a living being and don't just say abiogenesis like Christianity says Genesis or God. Explain how we got here and why were here? Where we came from and where we're going?

Ok, so, as far as we know (because science doesn't claim to know what it doesn't, unlike religion) the basic building blocks of life derived from the elements that were on or around the Earth however many billions of years ago.. 3.5, 4, etc.

These elements combined and arrived at very basic organic compounds. Now there's debate as to whether this happened on Earth or came from space from comets

These organic components interacted with the environment and over time, formed the first single celled organism. And who knows? Maybe it died out, but then it happened again.

IN any case, over millions and millions of years, single celled gave way to multi-celled, from invertebrates to vertibrates, etc etc. I don't really need to explain evolution to you, right? Surely the Apple Valley had basic high school education?

If you ask specific timelines and exact dates, no Randyvs, I dont' have them. Science doesn't have all the answers. It's a massive massive black box. But we're working on it. And that's the point -- we're actively trying to figure it out. We'll get it wrong now and again but keep trying to get it right.

Unlike religion, which just says it was divine and that's it. It offers no genuine answers to how it all began. Apart from mythology. At least science is open enough to say it doesn't know but it trying.

originally posted by: WarriorMH
I have some questions
1. How old are you?

40+

2. When you were a kid, did you grow up on a religious family?

No

3. Did you at some point believe in something, when growing up?

Yes. The Easter Bunny and then Father Christmas. Sort of.. They never made sense to me and quite soon (maybe 7?) I learned they weren't possible.

4. Did you at some point stop believing because something made you change your mind?

Yes,

5. If you don't mind, what was that?

As I grew up and learned about the world in school, was educated and educated myself, I came to realise why they were not real and why we (collectively) construct fables and fairy tales. It makes sense why we do. Doesn't mean they are real.

Or maybe you never believed right from the beginning?

If you're talking about religion, no, I never believed that. I was confused as to why people believed in it. None of the claims that this father figure in the sky was all seeing, all knowing and all loving made any sense.

I feel like all this trillion pages of arguing over this are pointless, no one will ever win this and a better effort would be to discuss ways to prove/disprove or bring up a theory on how it could all work, just so that if it reaches a dead end it can be considered progress and mutual work in trying to figure out if it exists or not

The reason we (collectively) argue about this is because of the assumed importance and gravity it has. People of a religious conviction can have very large and wild beliefs which, if questioned, are considered 'abusive' or 'disrespectful'. And think about it - people are claiming the most incredible, far-fetched stories as FACT, without any evidence and we're meant to accept it.

I personally find it disgusting when some people want to teach 'Creationism' as a viable science. It is not. I'm all for people learning about religion in school, learning of the books and the stories, most of which are very interesting and filled with amazing stories.

But it isn't factual. It isn't a historical document and it isn't scientific or factual. People like Randyvs believe it is. That's my gear to grind. That's it.

I find this entire discussion sad and tiring. Keep throwing sticks and rocks at each other, human kind has been doing it for thousands of years, why change now right?

Because there are people in the world who limit the vision and lives of others because of their archaic religious beliefs. Look at the morons who think CERN is creating portals? or Black holes to swallow the earth? Look at how homosexuals are treated by various religions, especially Islam? How about how women are subjugated to second class citizens? Why is it always 'men' who are the highest ranked officials in religion? I don't see a lot of female Imans. Or popes. Or is it poppesses?

Look at how the Catholic church KILLED people who brought scientific evidence forward that disproved their belief of the world and the heavens? We've never recovered from that atrocity.

like you said "a little very very sensitive girl" and that makes you right and me wrong somehow, so whatever. I'm 17 and don't treat me like i'm dumb

Then don't have a hissy fit when your faith is questioned. Either back up your statements with something OTHER than scripture or don't engage.

If believing in a God works for you, and makes your life better - awesome! Brilliant. I mean that genuinely.

But don't expect me to believe your position and don't expect me to 'respect' your belief and in not doing so, is some form of 'oppression' or bigotry.

Keep in mind, religion makes some pretty bold, pretty large claims for itself. It should be able to back up those claims.

a reply to: noonebutme

Then don't have a hissy fit when your faith is questioned. Either back up your statements with something OTHER than scripture or don't engage.

If believing in a God works for you, and makes your life better - awesome! Brilliant. I mean that genuinely.

But don't expect me to believe your position and don't expect me to 'respect' your belief and in not doing so, is some form of 'oppression' or bigotry.

I feel like you continually fail to read clearly, i specifically have said "i don't have a religion, i don't believe in God, i don't believe there's an old dude with sandals and a white rob looking down" it's ridiculous

can say this for me, i never knew anything about religion until like about 3 years ago, i mostly just grew up without ever thinking about it or knowing any details so i don't have a real opinion on why people believe or what they feel.

As i explained before i didn't get a good experience when i tried to learn what it was all about and i don't have a concept of following anything at all, i just exist and focus on the things i like the most, i don't feel tied to any way of thinking or any religion or anything at all like people who feel the have to support democracy or socialism or whatever, i don't get why you have to chose sides

Here i am saying it again just a few minutes ago and still you had to come back with

"Then don't have a hissy fit when your faith is questioned. Either back up your statements with something OTHER than scripture or don't engage. "

I'm i talking to plain air here? i don't get it, why don't you get that i don't believe?

This is part of what makes this tiring and boring, people are so narrow minded they just keep repeating like parrots instead of focusing on the actual conversation and moving forward, this entire post and the conversation is meaningless

Thanks for your reply, i feel like there are some things missing here but i won't question or wonder about them any more, it doesn't matter and it is a waste of time

I don't have a 'faith' as i have explained way too many times on this same thread or whatever is called, i never knew religion or anything about 'god' until 3 years ago and i don't need to learn and i don't like to learn about it. that's the end of it

I didn't have a "hissy fit", whatever that means, i don't believe in any faith and i don't care about it at all. I hope that makes things clear. You say i have that hissy whatever and to me it looks like the one that has it is you, just look at how much time and effort put into this thread in a pointless discussion and continually having comments with passive aggressive words, you are just all old fools that can't get out of the me vs you way of thinking

With that i'm so bored by this pointless discussion that i'm going out of here. Happy wasting of your life

originally posted by: randyvs
a reply to: Woodcarver

Wood, I don't give the first rats ass what
you don't believe. You can't live on this
planet without believing something about
your existence. Grow some and tell
everyone what that is?

Or do I have to try another word arrangement?

You could always present this evidence you keep saying exists, and then i’d have to believe you.

originally posted by: noonebutme
Ok, so, as far as we know (because science doesn't claim to know what it doesn't, unlike religion) the basic building blocks of life derived from the elements that were on or around the Earth however many billions of years ago.. 3.5, 4, etc.

These elements combined and arrived at very basic organic compounds. Now there's debate as to whether this happened on Earth or came from space from comets

These organic components interacted with the environment and over time, formed the first single celled organism. And who knows? Maybe it died out, but then it happened again.

IN any case, over millions and millions of years, single celled gave way to multi-celled, from invertebrates to vertibrates, etc etc. I don't really need to explain evolution to you, right? Surely the Apple Valley had basic high school education?

Earth age = 4.5 billion years. Therefore life on earth could not possibly emerged older than that. At 4.5 billion years ago, we don't know earth actual condition. Earth could be the size of meteorite, or Earth could have been a molten hot lava planet. If Earth did indeed collide with another celestial body to form moon, then life could not possibly be older than moon. Based on this, it is resonable to believe that ,oldest known life to exist was 3.5 billion years ago. Therefore, it actually take less than a billion year for earth inorganic matter to chemically change into first living microscopic organic life. Due to early life hostile environment, the odd for this to happen by chance in less than a billion year is ridiculous. Abiogenesis is a fail hypothesis. Hydrothermal Vent bacteria prove that.

Now, let's examine pansermia hypothesis. Based on pansermia, microscopic organic life exist elsewhere outside earth. Sure, but it does not answer where this life origin and how. Not to mention, science has to admit that E.T. exist first, before this hypothesis is even considered plausible.

See? I don't have to mention Intelligent Creator anywhere. Atheists believe in magic as much as thesist. It just that they don't want to admit it. All they can do is push it back further and further in time till it can no longer be explained. I'm sure at some point, atheist going to assume that life exist beyond singularity and beyond singularity and beyond.. Lol.

originally posted by: noonebutme
Unlike religion, which just says it was divine and that's it. It offers no genuine answers to how it all began. Apart from mythology. At least science is open enough to say it doesn't know but it trying.

But religion stated life can only exist from life. Science has yet to prove this wrong.

a reply to: Woodcarver

You could always present this evidence you keep saying exists, and then i’d have to believe you.

Oh look, more avoidance.
See I refuse to keep hounding you okay?
No big deal carry on with whatever you
this.

Good day Wood

originally posted by: randyvs
a reply to: Woodcarver

Oh look, more avoidance.

Look I refuse to keep hounding you okay.
No big deal carry on with whatever you
this.

Good day Wood

Oh Randy, shouldn’t you be outside shooing kids off of your lawn? Or helping jesus hide dinosaur bones?

a reply to: WarriorMH

Here i am saying it again just a few minutes ago and still you had to come back with 

Maybe he just doesn't know how to argue
any other way?

originally posted by: Woodcarver

originally posted by: randyvs
a reply to: Woodcarver

Oh look, more avoidance.

Look I refuse to keep hounding you okay.
No big deal carry on with whatever you
this.

Good day Wood

Oh Randy, shouldn’t you be outside shooing kids off of your lawn? Or helping jesus hide dinosaur bones?

Atta boy, never give up try'n to out do
yourself.