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originally posted by: Vroomfondel
a reply to: Edumakated
Per your own link - less than half of the murders have a known suspect. In other words, less than half the murders can be identified as having been committed by a gang. As I said in my response to your earlier post, they are assumed to be gang related due to their location but it is not confirmed.
Less than half of the murders have been cleared. Cleared is defined as perpetrator arrested and prosecuted, or, perpetrator known but not arrested for some reason. How can you claim any percentage above the number with positively identified perpetrators is accurate? Read the text more clearly. When they know for a fact it is very clear. When they are assuming or estimating it is also clear.
While I support concealed carry and gun rights, my point to you earlier was that it is disingenuous to use Chicago (or any other big city murder rates) as the reality is that the majority of crime committed really has no affect on the average person because that crime is highly concentrated in certain areas and among certain demographics. Put another way, a guy getting his CCW who lives on the North Shore because he hears about Chicago crime is not really understanding the dynamics of the crime occurring. The odds of that person being in Austin, Englewood or any of the other sh*tholes responsible for the high murder rate is slim to none (unless they are a drug addict). This is not to say there isn't some value in being armed just in case, but statistically the typical FOID card holder is not going to be anywhere near where most crime in Chicago occurs.
First, as I pointed out earlier, the crime is not staying in the districts where it originated. It is moving outward to the suburbs. Living outside of those neighborhoods does not make you safe from the crime that emanates from there. Second, why focus on the guy on the North Shore? Why not give the CCW to the guy in Austin, or Englewood where it will do some good? As it stands now the only people in those neighborhoods who have guns are the criminals. Level the playing field and see if things get better, worse, or stay the same. At least give the good guys a chance... As so many have pointed out in the past, not everyone who lives in those neighborhoods is a gang banger. Some of them are just decent people trying to get by. You take an unlikely event like a North Shore guy spending time in Austin or Englewood than criticize it for being so unlikely. Leave the North Shore out of it and give the CCW to someone who it may actually help. Though I would recommend giving a CCW to the North Shore guy also. It is just a matter of time until this crime reaches his neighborhood too.
In a city of 2.7 million people, about 1,400 are responsible for much of the violence, Mr. Johnson said, and all of them are on what the department calls its Strategic Subject List. So far this year, more than 70 percent of the people who have been shot in Chicago were on the list, according to the police, as were more than 80 percent of those arrested in connection with shootings.