Trump announces pulling out of Iran deal and imposing sanctions

With the Iran deal being torn up, this President is fast becoming the greatest leader in post-war American history, perhaps post-war world history. I used to compare his strength and conviction to Thatcher, but he's now moving toward Churchillian levels.

The American people just do not seem to learn. This is as another poster said earlier turning out exactly how the Iraqi war started. And then people said that Trump does not serve the deep state.

originally posted by: nwtrucker
a reply to: Gothmog

Just a thought, but Iran may be viewed as a 'proxy' by both China and Russia. That 'might' be where 'something else is going on' leads to. Just saying.

Yeah , I believe in unicorns and Peter Pan Peanut Butter....
So was Afghanistan in the 70s , Iran in the 70s and 80s, Iraq in the 90s , NK was Russia's proxy as they started the whole NK/SK thing , Syria present day. No predictions of major war have came to fruition yet.
China nor Russia care about those countries other than they can use em for their own ill-gotten gains . They put up a good "front" then "back that thang up" quick when the serious talks start.

Play your games elsewhere. If you don't know-which you do- either way, it's off topic and not the point of the thread. Otherwise, carry on....
lol. you seriously think the built up to the Iraqi war and the built up to the Iranian conflict has nothing in common. seriously?

originally posted by: enkilo
Play your games elsewhere. If you don't know-which you do- either way, it's off topic and not the point of the thread. Otherwise, carry on....
lol. you seriously think the built up to the Iraqi war and the built up to the Iranian conflict has nothing in common. seriously?

Iran has been 'opposition' since WWII. A brief sabbatical under the Shaw, method not withstanding, and far predates 'Iraq', whom the U.S. supported. Those days are gone. There is no 'Hitler connection' any more. There is no Soviet Union and matching and countering their expansion anymore. Gone.

There is Yemen, Syria, Palestine, Hamas and Hezzbollah. There is harassment in the Straight and continued activity despite the so-called treaty. The treaty is about as valid and 'observed' as the cease-fire with Saddam.

Could this blow up? I'd say possibly. I said the same about NK. We shall see.

a reply to: enkilo

God is great.

originally posted by: enkilo
The American people just do not seem to learn.

The Iran Deal was just an executive order from Obama,
its not like it's the second amendment ( Which by the
way has been in place for over 200 years but leftists
still think they can undo it without a war ).

This is as another poster said earlier turning out exactly how the Iraqi war started.

Nonsense.
Trump is not invading Iraq.

originally posted by: UKTruth
With the Iran deal being torn up, this President is fast becoming the greatest leader in post-war American history, perhaps post-war world history. I used to compare his strength and conviction to Thatcher, but he's now moving toward Churchillian levels.

Well said.

originally posted by: amazing
A little weird.

US, UK, France, China and Russia - plus Germany. all signed off on the deal and all of them wanted to keep it maybe tweek it a little but keep it. Why is that? None of them want a nuclear Iran...that's too problamatic. Something else is going on.

To those who say good because it makes Israel safer. Don't forget two things. We literally have Iran surrounded by US bases. I mean we actually have Iran surrounded by us military bases. They can't do anything. And 2 Isreal already has nuclear weapons.

Its not like Iran can not hit any of the bases that surround Iran. Iran will retaliate and target every base the US have in the Mid. East.

I bet the New Iranian cruise missile is just as good as the russian's. It is probably a true copy.

Every US ship that must be within shooting range With their cruise missiles can be reached by iranian missiles.

So this means that the US would probably have to use ICBMs to target Iran. But before that the US would probably withdraw their troops from bases in the mid.east that Iran can taget.

After hearing this the following can be stated:

1) Remain calm. We have been here before and it will heat up and then calm down.

2) Before we get all nervous about gas prices, having worked in the retail end, the prices to watch, would be diesel fuel prices. If they start to go up, then yes the prices will go up. But then again gas prices go up and down.

3) The final thing to look at will be to see what other countries will be doing, especially those who also signed off on this agreement. If they still maintain it, and ignore the US, then nothing will change, save that the US will be going at it alone. That will make any new sanctions against Iran, pretty much not so hurting to Iran. However, if they join the US, then things will start to get tight for Iran.

4) However, if the deal does fall apart, it will result in an arms race in the Middle East, and ultimately it will hamper any and all agreements later on by the USA, as many countries will look and wonder if the US will honor any agreements made currently or in the past.

originally posted by: enkilo
Play your games elsewhere. If you don't know-which you do- either way, it's off topic and not the point of the thread. Otherwise, carry on....
lol. you seriously think the built up to the Iraqi war and the built up to the Iranian conflict has nothing in common. seriously?

Yup old neo-con agenda and Bolton up his usual war mongering lies.

originally posted by: sdcigarpig
After hearing this the following can be stated:



4) However, if the deal does fall apart, it will result in an arms race in the Middle East, and ultimately it will hamper any and all agreements later on by the USA, as many countries will look and wonder if the US will honor any agreements made currently or in the past.

The other signatories are upholding the agreement, though naturally Iran have responded to the US scrapping it saying they'll restart enrichment/ Good point about honouring agreements, if a country pulls out of something as critical to the survival of humanity as nuclear non-profileration for childish reasons no sane person would want to deal with them.

a reply to: UKTruth

President Trump is taking a Page out of History . The Second Coming of Teddy Roosevelt . Walk Softly and Carry a Big Stick . The Ball is in Iran's Court Now .

originally posted by: enkilo
a reply to: nwtrucker
even if you say LBJ did it. who do you think he served like pretty much all POTUS? Not the American people that for sure. Plus it is pretty much well established that it was an Israel attack.

Bull. The Israelis were in the middle of a war. Pissing off the world's superpower-without nod, nod, wink, wink from the U.S. is the logic of....well if Israel had that much power, they didn't need the USS Liberty in the first place. They'd just send a memo...LMAO. Sheer black PR. Bought by the unthinking.

Nk will not likely blow up as the deep state real interest lies in the middle east. Researcher has been saying since forever that Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, Yemen etc will be taken out and it seems it's the turn of Iran to undergo regime change. Afterall one of the architects of the idea, John Bolton is now part of Trump team. More dead us soldiers and billions wasted in a foreign land is all the American people will get out of this.

nwtrucker are you saying that Israel was not responsible for the attack. They themselves have admitted to it.

originally posted by: enkilo
Nk will not likely blow up as the deep state real interest lies in the middle east. Researcher has been saying since forever that Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, Yemen etc will be taken out and it seems it's the turn of Iran to undergo regime change. Afterall one of the architects of the idea, John Bolton is now part of Trump team. More dead us soldiers and billions wasted in a foreign land is all the American people will get out of this.

Yep, they said that about NK, as well. Yawn.

originally posted by: enkilo
Nk will not likely blow up as the deep state real interest lies in the middle east. Researcher has been saying since forever that Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, Yemen etc will be taken out and it seems it's the turn of Iran to undergo regime change. Afterall one of the architects of the idea, John Bolton is now part of Trump team. More dead us soldiers and billions wasted in a foreign land is all the American people will get out of this.

Yet it seems your side of the political spectrum wants war with Russia?
Sorry pal, but Russia already has nukes!
So who's talking crazy here??
Those preventing a radical Islamist country from acquiring nukes or those who are promoting war with a country who probably has as many as we do?

How can any country rely on the US to stick to it's word ever again? When no other country joins in on sanctioning Iran now, the US will look weak and irrelevant. Moreso.

originally posted by: enkilo
nwtrucker are you saying that Israel was not responsible for the attack. They themselves have admitted to it.

Admitting to the attack and who's behind it aren't the same, are they? It's not rocket science.

originally posted by: enkilo
a reply to: burdman30ott
so you have no beef with Israel bombing the USS liberty and killing your citizen. USA will not sour on Egypt or Saudi Arabia as they are part of the Zionist cabal that controls The POTUS. You seem to forget that in both Afghanistan and Iraq you had the largest military budget and never-ending streams of weapons but you end up on the ground anyway.

Oh GTFO with the Zionist piss and moan, it's old, tired, and ridiculously overplayed. The US in Iraq and Afghanistan wasn't trying to win squat. George W Bush crapped the bed on both wars, warping the entire concept into some bastardization of "winning hearts and minds" instead of actually winning a damn war. Had the country been properly directed, we'd have not concerned ourselves with leaving a foundation to rebuild either country on and would have simply entered, destroyed, and left, period.

As for the Liberty, mistakes happen. The US accidentally bombed the Canadians at Tarnak Farm in Afghanistan, 1/4th of the American deaths in the first Gulf War were due to friendly fire... what are we going to do there, take beef with ourselves?