Kanye in His Own Words...Let's discuss!

a reply to: Boadicea

about 400 years of slavery being a choice.

Sorry, fail to see the relevance here.

Slavery is unlawful in the United States. Further, no individual who owned slaves is still above-ground today. And since individuals are responsible for their own actions, I fail to see the relevance.

However, Mr. West's statements are diametrically opposed to the victim mentality Democrats (the party of slavery - look it up) want to instill in their choice-demographics.

Democrats want to make you subjects, who are dependent on government for basic sustenance (food, shelter, defense, etc).

Patriots want to protect their rights as Citizens, who are self-sufficient and depend on their own two-hands for basic sustenance.

This is the real slavery vs. freedom choice.......... Yes, freedom may not come with silly concepts like "reparations" "land seizure" or victimhood, but it does enable each private Citizen to take responsibility for their own lives. Now, isn't that much better than erroneously blaming others for all the world's problems? A little bit of personal responsibility goes a long way.

a reply to: JBurns

That's the strategy of the Dems. They brainwash African Americans into believing they are still slaves.

All it does is lead people to addiction, crime and jail if not death.

It's sickening.

Kanye should just shut up and dribble.

Oh wait, he's Pro-Trump so he can speak all he wants, he now has that right.

a reply to: 3NL1GHT3N3D1

I think you're missing the message. You might hear it but you're not listening.

originally posted by: Jefferton

originally posted by: Boadicea
a reply to: Jefferton

Ok I will flip that back at you. Kanye hasn't been relevant for years, now he is. Why? Because he likes Trump.

Which has been used as a bludgeon against him by those who hate Trump!!! It wasn't some conservative website or political critter who first splashed Kanye's face all over the place singing his praises and starting this whole brouhaha. It's exactly the opposite. Kanye became "relevant" again by those who hate Trump and wanted to slam Kanye. Not by those who support Trump.

So flip that right back on the Dems and libs.

Ok, if you can't admit you wouldn't be talking about him now, unless it was for the fact that he 'came out' as pro-Trump, that's your deal.

"Pro-Trump"?

That remark alone, suggests your relationship to this story isn't really even about what Kanye is saying... but about YOUR perception.

I sure hope you are adroit enough to know the difference between "what is said... and what is heard", but your remarks suggest you have framed the narrative, and driving at a point... not really having anything to do with what West is actually talking about.

Ironic. What Kanye is talking about... it appears you are underlining and proving his point EXACTLY.

a reply to: JBurns

Sorry, fail to see the relevance here.

You aren't the only one! And then there are those who give it too much relevance. But such is the nature of the metaphorical beast, eh? We all read what we want/know into it... and out of it. So I understand why so many people take exception to the term and analogy. And I kinda sorta understand why Kanye said he prefers "prison" to "slavery," but I'm not sure that's exactly right either, because prison requires force as well as slavery. Both suggest that the person has no power, and that would seem to be the opposite of Kanye's greater point of self-determination and action.

Given the benefit of hindsight, perhaps self-imposed limitations would be more accurate. But I guess just adding the self-imposed to prison or slavery would work the same.

Perhaps the overall lesson here is to focus on creating the change rather than what needs to be changed.

originally posted by: 3NL1GHT3N3D1
Kanye should just shut up and dribble.

Oh wait, he's Pro-Trump so he can speak all he wants, he now has that right.

Everyone has every right to speak all he/she wants whether pro-Trump, anti-Trump, or meh-Trump. What's sad is that you would think otherwise and tell Kanye to shut up because he's pro-Trump.

a reply to: 3NL1GHT3N3D1

Did you even watch the entire video before typing that nonsense?

To underline your point, my workplace is a government office filled with 100% liberals and about 80% former Democrat campaign staff. I used to be "up and coming" and told so, invited to all kinds of senior staff events, etc. They said I was being "courted" for higher positions. Then, I dared to criticize Hillary Clinton during the election and talk about corruption and cronyism in local government. I experienced an entire 180. Totally cut out of high level events that would be good for my career and networking, given the cold shoulder, and given the least quality assignments which again affects my career. They even cut my overtime. Targeting for speaking out is very effing real in the political world, which in the case of Kanye is regarding Trump, free speech, media, etc. They will tar and feather you.
a reply to: knowledgehunter0986

a reply to: Boadicea

I never told him to shut up, he's free to voice his opinion like anyone else, I'm just pointing out how some people seem to hate celebrities talking politics up until they say something they agree with. If they have a different opinion then they should "shut up and dribble".

a reply to: 3NL1GHT3N3D1

Thank you for clarifying... but you did write exactly that with no qualifications. So apparently you just wanted to accuse others of it without actually accusing them. But it doesn't apply in this OP, obviously, and there is no appropriate nor necessary place for it here.

a reply to: Wide-Eyes

It is sickening, Wide-Eyes. To see what this corrupt ideology has done to such a large number of our fellow Americans is shocking.

The level of cognitive dissonance seen among the left is staggering. Along with their tendency to cling to their delusional ideations and general obsessive behavior as it pertains to President Trump. For instance, the fake-collusion narrative has been dispelled for months now. A pile of misconduct a mile high has been discovered RE: Mueller & his leaky team, as well as the extremely inappropriate and entirely unproven basis by which the entire investigation started.

Yet some still cling to their delusions. Some folks need their mental hygiene evaluated.

a reply to: 3NL1GHT3N3D1

I dunno. He was off my radar until he ranted about the Illuminati.

New album dropping soon. Make sure all you MAGA people pick it up and share it on social media.

a reply to: underwerks

I will be sure to do just that

Did a little bit of reading up on him, and I do not think his genre of music is really up my aisle. But you never know, and I am willing to give it a shot.

Either way, I respect Kanye simply for his willingness to say what others are afraid to: the truth of race-baiting and victim mentality.

We used to have slavery in this country, absolutely. Then we had institutional racism, discrimination, etc. Racially separated establishments, schools, restrooms, motorized transport, etc. That was racism.

The problem? None of those things exist today. Being called a racial slur is not a victimization - it is an insult you don't want to hear (you have no rights to be free of insults). Today's society is not rampant with racism. To be sure, it was at one point. But to claim that such practices still exist today (despite all evidence pointing to the contrary) minimizes the work of civil rights icons over the last 50 years.

These things aren't racism:

1) A President/politician you don't like being elected
2) Not being the majority demographic of a country
3) Being proud of your ethnicity/nationality
4) Hearing words/phrases that offend you
5) Someone disagreeing with your point of view
6) Nationalism
7) Having less money than others
8) Not having a nice car/home/job/etc

These things are racism:

1) Separate schools for whites/blacks
2) Institutionalized racism (by the Democratic party during the civil rights era/all the way back to the first civil war)
3) Firing/not hiring someone based on their race
4) Being treated as a "fraction" of a citizen

Further, Kanye is right in most everything he said.

While it is true that Mr. West may be just a tad off his rocker, that doesn't discredit his insights into the topics he is addressing. I don't know if you've noticed, but most highly intelligent people are a bit loony because their brains aren't wired the same as you or I.

Have any of you ever seen the show on A&E '60 Days In' where they take average, everyday citizens and lock them up in a real jail for 60 days? I found it curious that often the only inmates that would sense that something was off about the imposter inmates were the mentally ill individuals. Now, they would very much misinterpret what it was that they were initially sensing - but the instincts that something was amiss were usually spot on. That is why I never completely dismiss the ravings of a madman because there may be more than meets the eye lurking behind it. It is like your classic canary in a coal mine type situation.

Especially in this scenario. The whole identity politics movement of the new left is so very deleterious to the people it claims to serve. The modern day M.O. of diversity is to segregate, regulate and marginalize. That is all it is really doing and it is not helping them. It also only helps to legitimize and fortify the faulty views of the other extreme - which again is not good for these people. Diversity cannot and will not thrive without assimilation. If someone comes to this country from a foreign land and they try to assimilate and adopt their new countries customs that is how they will ultimately better influence their new home's old customs with some of theirs. You take a little from me and I take a little from you. Not by segregating yourself and adopting a pack mentality and letting some scheming opportunist use you to gain power and influence for themselves and their quixotic ideology.

originally posted by: JBurns
a reply to: underwerks

I will be sure to do just that

Did a little bit of reading up on him, and I do not think his genre of music is really up my aisle. But you never know, and I am willing to give it a shot.

Either way, I respect Kanye simply for his willingness to say what others are afraid to: the truth of race-baiting and victim mentality.

We used to have slavery in this country, absolutely. Then we had institutional racism, discrimination, etc. Racially separated establishments, schools, restrooms, motorized transport, etc. That was racism.

The problem? None of those things exist today. Being called a racial slur is not a victimization - it is an insult you don't want to hear (you have no rights to be free of insults). Today's society is not rampant with racism. To be sure, it was at one point. But to claim that such practices still exist today (despite all evidence pointing to the contrary) minimizes the work of civil rights icons over the last 50 years.

These things aren't racism:

1) A President/politician you don't like being elected
2) Not being the majority demographic of a country
3) Being proud of your ethnicity/nationality
4) Hearing words/phrases that offend you
5) Someone disagreeing with your point of view
6) Nationalism
7) Having less money than others
8) Not having a nice car/home/job/etc

These things are racism:

1) Separate schools for whites/blacks
2) Institutionalized racism (by the Democratic party during the civil rights era/all the way back to the first civil war)
3) Firing/not hiring someone based on their race
4) Being treated as a "fraction" of a citizen

Further, Kanye is right in most everything he said.

Kanye is telling the truth in what he is saying. He always has. From “George Bush doesn’t care about black people” to a lot of what he is currently saying. And it’s always been unpopular, because it’s the truth.

I seem to notice almost everyone leaves out the part of the tweet where he says he loves Hillary Clinton, and there’s a reason for that. What he is talking about is love. For everyone. For Trump. For Hillary. For Democrats. For Republicans. For you. What he isn’t doing is putting his support in the right wing and in Trump exclusively.

He wants to bring love into the division. And if that means he wears a MAGA hat after a meeting with Louis Farrakhan, so be it.

To try to co-op his message of love to give validity and support to your “side” is the opposite of everything Kanye is standing for in this instance.

a reply to: sooth

While it is true that Mr. West may be just a tad off his rocker, that doesn't discredit his insights into the topics he is addressing. I don't know if you've noticed, but most highly intelligent people are a bit loony because their brains aren't wired the same as you or I.

There is a very thin line between genius and insanity.

a reply to: Boadicea

It was a very clear message. Only obtuse jerks reading and writing hit pieces thought otherwise.

Mental slavery. That is what he meant. uh freaking DERRRRRRR

"Oh, Kanye thinks colonial black american slaves were willing participants, he so dumb. Derp derp derp."

originally posted by: sooth
While it is true that Mr. West may be just a tad off his rocker, that doesn't discredit his insights into the topics he is addressing. I don't know if you've noticed, but most highly intelligent people are a bit loony because their brains aren't wired the same as you or I.

Very thoughtful and insightful comment -- thank you! And that's an excellent point about intelligent people being wired differently than others; and I would add creativity has much the same effect. Nothing gets better or fixed without taking a new and different look at it.

Have any of you ever seen the show on A&E '60 Days In' where they take average, everyday citizens and lock them up in a real jail for 60 days? I found it curious that often the only inmates that would sense that something was off about the imposter inmates were the mentally ill individuals. Now, they would very much misinterpret what it was that they were initially sensing - but the instincts that something was amiss were usually spot on. That is why I never completely dismiss the ravings of a madman because there may be more than meets the eye lurking behind it. It is like your classic canary in a coal mine type situation.

I haven't seen the show, but that's very intriguing.