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originally posted by: Aazadan
a reply to: CornishCeltGuy
It happened in Georgia here. They salvaged the situation by bussing in unpaid convict labor and essentially used slavery for two years (still legal in the US in the case of prison labor) while the state reversed the laws and bought time for the farmers to start bringing people back in.
This was after the farmers tried taking the states first suggestion which was to pay the field workers more. They were offering $30 and in some cases more per hour to anyone, and still had over 75% of positions going unfilled.
The farmers like the current situation much more. They were able to leverage prisoners for 2 years of unpaid labor, and then go back to offering migrants minimum wage.
originally posted by: bigfatfurrytexan
a reply to: CornishCeltGuy
Its a lifestyle decision. A US dollar goes pretty far in mexico.
originally posted by: CornishCeltGuy
I had an idea, what about offer some scheme to existing illegal immigrants where they get citizenship after doing a couple of seasons working farms? Too left field?
originally posted by: Byrd It's interesting to speculate just what Trump means by saying he's going to let farmers have their guest workers in.
I don't get it. One minute some of you folks are applauding Trump for keeping out these illegal immigrants since they're taking our jobs, then the next you're applauding Trump for letting migrant workers in to take our jobs....
originally posted by: NobodiesNormal
originally posted by: Byrd It's interesting to speculate just what Trump means by saying he's going to let farmers have their guest workers in.
there is no need to speculate if you just actually listen to his own words, watched the event myself, its all over youtube, due diligence?
trump said farmers who cannot find needed staff will be permitted to bring in immigrants under a work visa that will expire when their job is done.
if you wanna speculate then lets speculate how does the government determine which farmers cant find american employees, and which farmers just arent even trying too
originally posted by: andy06shake
a reply to: Byrd
Are these "guest workers" brown people perchance?
Coz last time i looked Trump was still up for building walls to keep migrant workers out.
originally posted by: TheRedneck
a reply to: Wayfarer
I don't get it. One minute some of you folks are applauding Trump for keeping out these illegal immigrants since they're taking our jobs, then the next you're applauding Trump for letting migrant workers in to take our jobs....
That's probably because you're still thinking in black and white, while the rest of us are looking at full 32-bit color.
Illegal = bad. That's the problem with illegal immigration. Legal =/= bad. Legal immigration is a good thing. The difference between legal immigration and illegal immigration is that legal immigrants abide by our laws and illegal immigrants don't. I'm all for changing the laws, but dammit I expect people who want to live here to abide by them!
People are desperately trying to turn this into something else. The wall will not keep a single legal immigrant, legal migrant worker, legal tourist out. Not one. If someone is walking through the area where the wall will be without trying to go through immigration, then they're breaking the law. If they are going through immigration, then they get to walk through the door and the wall means nothing.
A good example is the 'caravan' in Tijuana. Here we have thousands of immigrants who claim they are fleeing Guatemala over persecution and want asylum in the US. But in order to get here, they walked over a thousand miles through Mexico. Did they ask for asylum in Mexico? Why not? Add to that the sheer number of them asking for asylum at the same time has overloaded the immigration system and made it impossible to let them all in. Now consider they are climbing the fence and sitting atop it, taunting us that they are going to just slip down the USA side and come in whether legal or not.
Actually there's just around 100 of them (in spite of many inflated reports) and a lot of those are children.
And Mexico has taken some of them in.
originally posted by: namehere
a reply to: Xcathdra
the biggest issue is that many immigrants do apply for citizenship but the government takes too long approving it, as a result of it taking so long, legal immigrants become illegal even if they do everything correctly, and once they are deported they can't return for 10 years.
just fyi if you were curious.
originally posted by: Arnie123
This is nothing new. Partisan hacks would see to it that Trump hates illegals.
Naw, he hates that they break the law emtering. Its all been about legal entry. Course, the leftist would have you believe he is anti immigrant and such, comical and simply wrong.
I want stronger border protection and solutions for revising our immigration system, tougher penalties for those that break the law trying to enter illegally.
originally posted by: Wayfarer
I don't get it. One minute some of you folks are applauding Trump for keeping out these illegal immigrants since they're taking our jobs, then the next you're applauding Trump for letting migrant workers in to take our jobs....