Modern Medicine is Fancy Homeopathy

First off we have to define the two.

Homeopathy has taken on many definitions.
1. The use of an inactive substance in lieu of active ingredients in order to garner a placebo effect.
2. The use of small doses of poisons used to garner a immune response.
3. Like cures like meaning that giving a patient a dose of whatever ails them in order to garner an immune response.

Now let us note the phrase it's all placebo.. An improperly used word in lieu of It's all placebo effect...
This creates much confusion because often when said it is meant that the results of homeopathy are simply just the same results that one would garner if homeopathy is being used as definition 1.
In other words using the homeopathy in definition 2 will often garner results that by the numbers look like definition 1.

Now with all that said let us go to the dictionary definition of homeopathy.
ho·me·op·a·thy
ˌhōmēˈäpəTHē/Submit
noun
the treatment of disease by minute doses of natural substances that in a healthy person would produce symptoms of disease.

Now let's look at modern medicine other than healing broken bones and such the pathway of the majority of modern medicine is to give a patient some form of government sponsored poison.

The only real difference between homeopathy and modern medicine is dosage, detailed research and better equipment.

Examples of homeopathy in modern medicine

Chemotherapy
Vaccines
Big Pharma producing government sponsored poisons and being administered by board certified doctors that if givin to a healthy person would cause illness.

One can safely assume that the only real difference between the two is government oversite.

and if a homeopathic remedy is working too well, it gets patented and made illegal to use by practitioners..

I have to admire your dedication.

Not content with being wrong in the other thread, you have now started a whole new thread of your own to be wrong in.

Bravo.

a reply to: howtonhawky

LOL!

Modern medicine - take 2 paracetamol for a headache.

Homeopathy - cut a paracetamol into 1000 bits, find the smallest bit, cut the smallest bit into 1000 more pieces, find the smallest bit again, lick the bit, headache stil there because homeopathy doesn’t work.

originally posted by: howtonhawky
First off we have to define the two.

Homeopathy has taken on many definitions.
1. The use of an inactive substance in lieu of active ingredients in order to garner a placebo effect.
2. The use of small doses of poisons used to garner a immune response.
3. Like cures like meaning that giving a patient a dose of whatever ails them in order to garner an immune response.

Now let us note the phrase it's all placebo.. An improperly used word in lieu of It's all placebo effect...
This creates much confusion because often when said it is meant that the results of homeopathy are simply just the same results that one would garner if homeopathy is being used as definition 1.
In other words using the homeopathy in definition 2 will often garner results that by the numbers look like definition 1.

Now with all that said let us go to the dictionary definition of homeopathy.
ho·me·op·a·thy
ˌhōmēˈäpəTHē/Submit
noun
the treatment of disease by minute doses of natural substances that in a healthy person would produce symptoms of disease.

Now let's look at modern medicine other than healing broken bones and such the pathway of the majority of modern medicine is to give a patient some form of government sponsored poison.

The only real difference between homeopathy and modern medicine is dosage, detailed research and better equipment.

Examples of homeopathy in modern medicine

Chemotherapy
Vaccines
Big Pharma producing government sponsored poisons and being administered by board certified doctors that if givin to a healthy person would cause illness.

One can safely assume that the only real difference between the two is government oversite.

Awsome post....now take this SPECULATION OF WHICH I HAVE NO PROOF and run with your template....cancer is a pleomorphic bacteria which needs specific conditions to morph into its viral stage which preceeds so-called cancer.......an acidic body is one of these conditions as are parasites that carry bacteria .. which ALL OF US HAVE and which few of us treat regularly with intentions....so basically an acidic body creates specific chemicals and an acidic body is parasite bacteria/virus infected and the parasitic lifecycle produces specific chemicals AND bacteria that preceed cancer....another condition the pleomorphic bacteria needs to morph to its viral form includes EXTERNALLY introduced chemicals from our environment.....if you break this chain of conditions CANCER CANNOT GROW......cutting to the chase here...a good alkaline diet with regular intake of anti-parasitic foods will PREVENT CANCERS AND MOST DISEASES.Dr. Hulda Clark and Royal Rife will make for some good reading IMHO if you are so inclined.

a reply to: one4all

It’s not anything like you said.

Also. Hulda Clark?! The woman who died from blood and bone CANCER? That’s hilarious!

a reply to: one4all

I can assure you that my cancer is none of the things you claim. You have absolutely no idea what you're talking about.

a reply to: one4all

I actually have a rare kidney disease in which i remain in a constant acidic state of being.

I have battled all my life with doctors each telling me a different direction to go with all different medicines.

In order to survive and function at a high level i simply have bought sodium bicarbonate pills and managed my acidity just fine.

From a purely spiritual stand point i would recommend to someone with cancer to not eat any sweet potatoes and to buy some and destroy them in a horrific fashion. That is crazy man talk but has great weight in many realms. Also eat pork while doing it. If you really want to get fancy then just go feed some sweet potatoes to some real hogs...

originally posted by: TerryDon79
a reply to: howtonhawky

LOL!

Modern medicine - take 2 paracetamol for a headache.

Homeopathy - cut a paracetamol into 1000 bits, find the smallest bit, cut the smallest bit into 1000 more pieces, find the smallest bit again, lick the bit, headache stil there because homeopathy doesn’t work.

NOPE by definition Tylenol is not a poison and by definition one would have to identify the cause of the headache and then take a small dose of that poison.

Also it does not work for simple headaches.

Please do inform your self before talking smack about homeopathy. It is really not fair.

I gave the three accepted forms of homeopathy in the op.

a reply to: howtonhawky

According to your own logic homeopathy is the opposite of modern medicine; homeopathy aims to increase the strength of a substance by diluting it, modern medicine increases the strength of it's medicines by concentrating the active ingredients. Are they not then opposite to each other?

Etymological origin:

from Greek homoios "like, similar, of the same kind" (see homeo-) + -patheia "disease," also "feeling, emotion" (see -pathy). Greek homoiopathes meant "having like feelings or affections, sympathetic."

Substances used in chemotherapy may or may not have similar effects to cancer, in the body. But they are not chosen for that effect; they are chosen for their ability to kill cancer cells. How is this similar to homeopathy?

Vaccines are not diluted according to homeopathic principles; they contain a high amount of the virus or parts of the virus. Also note that vaccines are NOT a treatment for a disease; they are meant to prevent the disease. So this contradicts your own definition of homeopathy.

Antibiotics are definitely not homeopathy because again their purpose is to kill something, not imitate the effects of something.

a reply to: howtonhawky

A lot of folks have defined "homeopathy," and their perception of it as: "that which does not work."

So, if something does work, it is not seen as homeopathy.

Like many things, its seen as a tool of the "other team," so anything of value is redefined in a way that makes it OK to accept.

I think there is some value in such remedies, though certainly some of it is pure BS. I feel the same about "western" medicine. I see all of it as attempts to heal what ails us. Some of it works, some of it doesn't, and we tend to be our own worst enemy somewhere along the road.

Personally, I've tried pretty much everything across the board to eliminate my issues. None of it has worked, though there are things from all camps that help me feel a bit better. So, I use 'em.

a reply to: Cutepants

homeopathy aims to increase the strength of a substance by diluting it, modern medicine increases the strength of it's medicines by concentrating the active ingredients. Are they not then opposite to each other?

I do not think that is the goal in homeopathy. I think the goal is to give a small enough dose as to not create a serious problem but enough to get the immune system to respond... Much like modern flu vaccines..

However there is no real definition of homeopathy.

I think the main points i choose to raise here is the use of poisons to treat illness

ABSOLUTELY there are many differences in the two and all i have done here is to try to begin to high light the similarities.

In no way am i claiming the two are equivalent on all levels.

they are chosen for their ability to kill cancer cells. How is this similar to homeopathy?

Chemotherapy was born from studying cadavers that had been killed using mustard gas.
IE Using a poison to kill.

Vaccines are indeed prevention and share similarities with homeopathy by way of triggering an immune response.
So yes while there is a difference i seek to highlight the similarities here.

Antibiotics are part homeopathy because by definition they would cause illness in an otherwise healthy patient just as a vaccine does.

PERHAPS the largest difference between homeopathy and modern medicine is PRIDE.

I am not here to hurt anyone's feelings or render any treatments inadequate by way of opinion.

The similarities are there.

originally posted by: Serdgiam
a reply to: howtonhawky

A lot of folks have defined "homeopathy," and their perception of it as: "that which does not work."

So, if something does work, it is not seen as homeopathy.

Like many things, its seen as a tool of the "other team," so anything of value is redefined in a way that makes it OK to accept.

I think there is some value in such remedies, though certainly some of it is pure BS. I feel the same about "western" medicine. I see all of it as attempts to heal what ails us. Some of it works, some of it doesn't, and we tend to be our own worst enemy somewhere along the road.

Personally, I've tried pretty much everything across the board to eliminate my issues. None of it has worked, though there are things from all camps that help me feel a bit better. So, I use 'em.

Have you sought shamanic help and such?

There are some that have access to other knowledge and realms.

If the Church had Killed any who knew Witchcraft!
um! Homeopathy... and the mid wife's.
we all would be a Lot healthier.

Aspirin comes from tree bark.
they made some thing like it.
thats Not as free as tree bark.
and that is bad for your stomach.
same as most of the rest.

a reply to: howtonhawky

Homeopathy “dosage” is so minute that it wouldn’t do a thing. You’re basically drinking water. But all of this has been explained to you multiple times in another thread.

This sites motto is Deny Ignorance, but you just embrace it lol.

originally posted by: TerryDon79
a reply to: howtonhawky

Homeopathy “dosage” is so minute that it wouldn’t do a thing. You’re basically drinking water. But all of this has been explained to you multiple times in another thread.

This sites motto is Deny Ignorance, but you just embrace it lol.

In fairness sufficient doses of homeopathic treatments can cure dehydration...

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: TerryDon79
a reply to: howtonhawky

Homeopathy “dosage” is so minute that it wouldn’t do a thing. You’re basically drinking water. But all of this has been explained to you multiple times in another thread.

This sites motto is Deny Ignorance, but you just embrace it lol.

In fairness sufficient doses of homeopathic treatments can cure dehydration...

True.

They’d probably still dilute the H2O though lol.

originally posted by: howtonhawky
I do not think that is the goal in homeopathy.

It is the goal. They claim that water memory causes the body to react even if the "poison" is no longer detectable in the water.

You really should read up on what homeopathy actually is before trying to compare.

Basically, what TerryDon79 is saying.

Homeopathy is when you cut a molecule down so many millions of times in water, that said molecule/substance is no longer there. (you're basically drinking water.... maybe with a splash of honey). The key principal behind homeopathy is the belief that water has memory, and it's the water's "memory" of the molecule/substance that acts as medicine. They tend to leave that part out of the dictionary definition; looking at reality, however, this is the case.

Always be careful when comparing a definition of something to a reality of something, and basing a conclusion on such.

Take chiropractic, for example. The medical community likes to trash them constantly, because the definition of chiropractic care has to do with "Subluxations" or some nonsense from years ago (basically saying that diseases and cancer can be cured with proper alignment or something like that); in reality, its just realigning your skeleton for pain relief, circulation, and the like.

Bottom line: be careful what you buy into

a reply to: dothedew

Homeopathy is when you cut a molecule down so many millions of times in water, that said molecule/substance is no longer there. (you're basically drinking water.... maybe with a splash of honey). The key principal behind homeopathy is the belief that water has memory, and it's the water's "memory" of the molecule/substance that acts as medicine.

Well we can certainly include that in the list of definitions of homeopathy.

However homeopathy has morphed all over the place...

I fall back on the founder of such treatments and rely on his dilution of the definition of such to mean like curing like...

Homeopathy: Like Cures Like - Dr. Kenneth R. Pelletier
www.drpelletier.com/TBAM/excerpts/084-Homeopathy_Like.html
Homeopathy is a two-hundred-year-old system of medicine based on the principle of "like cures like." It uses extremely dilute preparations of natural substances to stimulate the body's self-healing mechanisms. At the end of the eighteenth century, Dr. Samuel Hahnemann first formulated the principles of homeopathy.

The only proper dilution rates is such that in a normal person it would cause illness.

IE A flu vaccine does this exactly.

So indeed if we dilute the definition to mean a substance overpowered by water completely would not have any effect on a healthy person and is not a form of homeopathy at all. Nothing but a simple medical rouse designed to produce a placebo effect. This goes against the majority of homeopathic definitions and is simply a tactic used to defraud any such real homeopathic. COMMON PROPAGANDA...