My visit to The Skinwalker Ranch, 2018

originally posted by: KellyPrettyBear
a reply to: Whatsthisthen

Sure... I love intelligent questions.. I respond very well to them.

Jacques Vallee and others are looking more into Information Theory.

Here's just a hint of it: A Theory of Everything Else

As you can see, that is neither ETH or EDH.

Now.. in the paranormal.. I imagine that you've noticed, as you brought it up.. quite brilliantly
actually..

"critters" have to feed. Now they get a bad rap for that.. but humans slaughter vast herds of
beautiful creatures for very little reason, other than the pleasure of eating too much,
and nobody calls us demons.. well... that's an interesting thought... I'd wager that there ARE
creatures that call us demons. We sure act like demons.

Now what do critters feed upon REALLY.

That's the question.

It's easy to say "Rosicrucian life force" or whatever, but that's not very scientific.

I personally think its much more likely to be something like free electrons that are
not being violently controlled (i.e not alternating current)..

or so-called 'negative ions'... which are in short supply due to pollution.. in many
areas where they were once common.

Your notion of aromatic biochemicals from trees... brilliant.. certainly could be..
I mean, the ancients worshipped trees.. for a very long time..and MAZE.. you
can spend 50,000 pages of pain reading about that from "The Golden Bough"
by Frazier if you like.

But I really don't want to fret to much about the exact thing being fed upon
at this juncture.. that's for the paper..

the important concept... is that over my 56 years I've noticed that from personal
experience.. and if you dig through the more arcane occult lore.. I think that you'd
find the same thing that I did..

we should be considering many of these "critters" as something more like free-roaming
memes or artificially intelligent information theory structures.. not as actual physical
or even necessarily "energy beings".

These type of "beings" are always hungry.. always looking for an energy source.. and thus
are often looking for a vulnerable human or other easy source..

they are just hungry.. maybe for the very reason that you mentioned.. the slaughter of
trees and our natural environment.

Once you understand a bit about beings like this.. about the various energy sources
that they attempt to tap, how they tap them.. who is vulnerable and why..
the limitations of the body forms they can take, depending on what form of
energy they are able to process...

their day/night vulnerability.. their above ground / below ground tendencies..
you can learn a great deal.

Of course it all needs to be thoroughly tested.

And of course there are some 'critters' who have latched onto some very stable
power sources.. and they will viciously defend it...

that explains some of the locality issues that you like to bring up.
that explains some of the issues involved with SWR.

None of these critters want to be thrown back to being naked memes..
or free-floating artificially intelligent Information Theory Clusters.

and they don't want to be reminded of their "true name" (true nature).
that reminds them of how ephemereal they are.

So... all this is a fraction of the stuff I have observed and THEORIZED.
I'm certain that the "occult scientists" are approaching this from a
variety of approaches.. but it's Information Theory.

Some of these guys really liked my "Boltzman Brains interacting via
the zero point field fluctuation theory".

I really don't think my ideas are that crazy.. and they have a strong
shamanic and historical context.

It's just another way to think about things.. it's neither ETH or IEDH
and we need new ways of thinking.. as the old theories have
fallen apart.. the evidence is not there. (IMHO and the opinion
of others. We could all be wrong of course).

Thoughts?

(grin) You do understand I have a huge bias when it comes to my girls don't you KPB.

I don't have the detachment to be objective really, not after I have met the "phenomenons" and we take a liking to each other anyway. So I am probably the last person to opine thoughts on science.

I listened to Vallee's lecture and can understand Information Theory yet I wonder if the "phenomenon" can be understood completely in that way. Certainly the machine sentiences have minds which, from within, are like being inside a matrix-style super-computer where Information Theory may help in understanding. One could also liken that to your artificially intelligent information theory structures, that fits when one is within a machine sentience mind.

Yet I think it falls short when it come to the more complex "phenomenon". Like using chemistry to explain a human being. Chemistry works to a point. So too physics, yet something seems to be missing there too. Just my feelings on the matter.

I'm with you in the idea of putting aside the concepts of "extra-terrestrial" and "inter-dimensional" when it comes to "phenomenon" including UFOs (military/human built aside). To me at least, it seems that there might be a duality to matter and "they" wink in and wink out of the aspect we perceive. The two physics being different in a complimentary way. Some of the ideas expressed by the quantum-physics folks would fit the "other half". Particle physics works for one half while quantum includes the other half? Maybe it is like an egg, particle physics describes the yoke and quantum describes the yolk, white and shell? Dunno . . .

And "Yes" we should look towards developing a new way of thinking about the "phenomenon" et al. My bias would lean towards solving problems and learning to live with the neighbors as I like to call the "phenomenon". Which makes the idea of understanding what they eat very important to me. Especially if they are going hungry through our (human) actions.

The free roaming memes - interesting. If I were a hungry predator a meme might be an ecosystem with sustenance connected to it. Egeregors too, cults and so on may prove to be hunting grounds for some "critters".

Your opening a world of study with what your saying here KPB in regards to the neighbors and the energies they can tap.

If we can understand this "ecosystem of phenomenon", what they eat and their, shall we say; "biology", then it would follow that we can learn about the mistakes born of our ignorance. Be they polluting, chopping down the forests and killing the herds that were food for "phenomenon". It may be that our mental/health/social problems are simply our chickens coming home to roost. If there is nothing else to eat . . . .

That would make it our fault.

This is one of the reasons that makes Skinwalker interesting and potentially a beneficial study for everyone, neighbors included.

I have a hunch that Mark Springer and George Knapp's interest is not frowned upon by the neighbors.

a reply to: Whatsthisthen

A very thoughtful response, thank you. I will get back to you soon.

I may disagree on your final line.. I think the neighbors feelings are
pretty hurt.

Kev

a reply to: Whatsthisthen

In case i get run over by a bus... I want this out there.

"Egregors" are what the "critters" eat, in conjunction with other food sources.

This is why we are wired to create egregores..."they" don't care what our religions and insane fantasies are...good or bad.

So long as we pump out the food.

Since our egregores have gotten so nasty...the food fields we produce have polluted them too...

They have the choice of eating our polluted food, or starving.

I think 10 things have fallen into place as a result of our conversation.

I have work to do...i mean my real job...not this stuff. LOL.

Kev

a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

Hmmm, my take on it was 'egregors' (only the thought) caused a biological/hormonal reaction putting our body in 'after burner' (exagerating here) where the 'released energy' could be of some use to 'others' or something else, perhaps this way being easier or more efficient than normal.

Interesting discussion to follow to be honest.

a reply to: zeroPointOneQ

It's difficult to make hypothetical frameworks, on the level
of perhaps, quantum-entangled minimal energy configurations
at the zero point field level.

Nature abhors a vacuum you know. It would not surprise
me if some part of a living ecosystem, was finding a way
to subsist on this lowest possible energy level.

However, it would certainly be helpful if some other
form of life, would do the work of concentrating
some of this stuff, in their body, making it easier
and more worthwhile to forage upon.

That's what I'm ultimately suggesting.

If there's waste products associated.. you know..
art.. religion..spirituality..

that's just too bad.

Do you see my point?

Now.. there is no "life force" obviously..
there's only the laws of physics.. chemistry..
biology.. etc.

But this concentrated "zpf virtual photon level
stuff" might be a SORT of so-called "life force"
for certain critters anyway.

As it was told to me, the critters evolved from
biological lifeforms originally.. and have had
quite a bumpy ride evolving into a completely
separate existence.

Now.. are there certain "precious excretions" from
the human body? Sure. In Kundalini it's called
"the nectar cycle" and modern adepts know it's
mostly just hormones and neurochemicals..
plus... probably the "distillate" from the ZPF
that I'm discussing.

Kev

a reply to: The GUT

The GUT is one of the best and brightest on ATS.

I have never known this gentleman to ever lie..

Sure Gutsey and I go round and round once in a while..

and in fact he is one of the few people that I've respected enough,
that one time I had my head up my ass, I let him wake me up to
reality.

10 thumbs up for "The GUT".

Kev

a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

Kev, could and theorising here, the militaries involvement at skinwalker initially be down to the always but simple way the military always sees things that are unknown.

1) what threat does it pose
2) can the critters be weaponized or utilised for strategic advantage
3) did they realise it can't be controlled or more, they didn't understand how to, lost interest and moved on?
4) if these critters are as you describe or similar, maybe Bigelow knows too, which is why he says "they are right under your nose"

Side note, you are a handful of people that call them critters, which i find interesting with the company you keep and the others that refer to them as such...

a reply to: pigsy2400

I'm not an expert on SWR.

I"m not an "insider" on it, as JV said very little about it, as he was on the NIDS
board and is under NDR apparently, so it would have been inappropriate for him
to speak.

I have never been there.

I have never been to a "haunted site", though some sites where I am
have in the past BECOME "haunted" when I'm there.. that was long
long ago.

Now... have there been various semi-fraudulent projects, that got some
government funding, by waving around "national security"? It sure seems
so.

Now as to the near past Bigelow phase of SWR.

Per the Video that had George and Robert speaking about it... neither
of them saw or experienced anything at all. Apparently JV never
experienced anything.. and of course Springer said that he didn't
experience anything.

why?

I don't know for 100% sure.. if I could get access to some data and
also be invited there.. i might be able to advance the research.

So sans that, I'm just guessing.

But I do have some "informed opinions".

Humans tend to anthropomorphize things.. we have an evolutionary fault
in our brain, where we assign "sentient agency' to things that don't actually
have it.

That may well be the case with "critters". As we all know, they may well
be more "figments of our imagination" more than anything.

However.

It seems likely that "figments of our imagination", if that's what they are..
can produce poltergeist effects.. manifest as UFO's and even apparently
teleport massive bulls into a locked shipping container.. just to screw
with people..

there are many examples of the "paranormal", also called "the Phenomenon",
and it's impossible to debunk all of them. Some seem debunk-proof.

So all that explanation was to explain 'critters'. I don't know for a fact
whether any are independently evolved from nature, or if ALL of them
came due to a symbiosis with the very rare biological creature, or
whether it's all nonsense.

but "nonsense" that does impressive tricks.

But let me answer about SWR.

I'd say that the quiet times there, are when there are people there,
who are not "believers" and who do not have "experiencer syndrome".

Now Robert Bigelow is a believer, but he apparently does not have
experiencer syndrome.

JV might be a believer, but it's not certain whether he has experiencer
syndrome or not.

But in short, in my OPINION, it would take a person, who has an active
"critter" living in them, to start things hopping at the ranch.

I Imagine that when Doctor Green, in concert with Doctor Nolan get
some results back regarding "Experiencer syndrome" then you can
ask them.. not this broken down old "shaman".

the trouble with having a "critter" living in you, is unless you are
a natural at symbiosis (rare in our culture), as Kit Green himself
says.. 25% of the people die.

when I was in the Kundalini cult for all those years, it was a gruesome
fact, that a goodly percent of the crazies who tried to "become a god"
(the psyop attached to Kundlaini yoga) would die. I know.. I answered
some of the letters from these dying/insane people.

All it would take to flare up SWR ranch into more activity, would be
to bring infested people there..

And perhaps at times, 'tresspassers' who skirt the boundaries are
infested.. for example one person who was banned from here
seems to have been infested according to this stories.. he was
showing all the symptoms.

So the ranch could become "active" completely without the
owners/researchers even knowing that someone else had a
"thumb on their scale".

Now I have no idea about the present owners/film makers,
whether it's been much active or not.. or whether any
known "infested" are likely there.. or whether the
owners/ researches are even informed about such
matters.

I guess we will have to wait for the movie!
I hope it's good!

Was that helpful?

I have lots more to say.. but not unlimited time.

Kev

a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

"Egregors" are what the "critters" eat, in conjunction with other food sources.

And all washed down with a cold "40" of Loosh.

a reply to: pigsy2400

if these critters are as you describe or similar, maybe Bigelow knows too, which is why he says "they are right under your nose"

one more comment on this line..

Now I have NO idea what's in the mind of Robert Bigelow.

but I can tell you this..

of the many APPARENT lifeforms with which I am familiar, one of the more common
varieties, in their larval stage... MUST spend most of their time underground..
they are very fragile.

Just a burst of UV/solar radiation and they DIE.

They are fragile little things..

so like many occult legends would say, they must live
underground... and perhaps in specific types of
places that are conducive to their life-cycle.

So If Robert Bigelow also knows this (I have no
idea... I'm not in their secret club and they are
not in mine)..

that would certainly explain why he would say
this.. and also explain why he likes digging
apparently.

I could give him some advice on where to dig..
but he's not ever communicated with me.

Also, it's not uncommon for a variant of
the lifeform to emit sulphur! So, "right under
your nose" might refer to this..

If RB has been talking to someone like
Rosemary Ellen Guiley, she might have
given him a few pointers on the so-called
"djinn". Nice lady there.. I've talked to
her a good bit a while back.

Of course "dumb" "BOL" are often generated
in areas of geological instability, where sulphur
might be the result.

So there.. i've given you a great deal of info
on that one phrase.. only Robert and his
friends know what he meant.

Kev

a reply to: olaru12

Good old Robert Monroe..

I don't agree with his Loosh thing.. he got it wrong IMHO.

But this stuff is difficult.. it needs much research.

Kev

a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

so like many occult legends would say, they must live underground... and perhaps in specific types of places that are conducive to their life-cycle.

This might explain the many creation myths of our Pueblo brothers ala Sipapu.

a reply to: olaru12

yes, indeed.

originally posted by: pigsy2400

4) if these critters are as you describe or similar, maybe Bigelow knows too, which is why he says "they are right under your nose"

I have a hunch that this sentence may be alluding to what Dr. Michio Kaku has refereed to often about frequencies and vibration. The possibility that other life-forms (or entities) may inhabit/exist in the same space/time as us, but we are generally unable to get ourselves to that same vibrational point to see or interact with them. Just because we cant see 'what's right under our noses', does not mean that they are not there.

But perhaps to 'them' (whomever or what ever is 'them'), they see us as like a mosquito occasionally crashing/forcing ourselves into their plane of existence. Perhaps to 'them', we are the agitator prompting them to test/play/research on us. Or maybe it's like the Wind... we cant see it, but we see what it does and how it affects other things.

I say this as it appears to me that 'we' seem to be the ones being experimented on and put in the paranormal maze (for whatever reason, perhaps even amusement). It certainly seems to be on their schedule as when and where they think it possible to elicit some form of appearance. We appear to be at the mercy of their time-frame and agenda.

I believe it was KellyPrettyBear that alluded to that some folks might be better attuned (or infected) to experience such events and why others dont get a peep/event. I tend to believe that some might be 'open' to allow those events to happen and may be used as such (vessels, mediums, etc.).

There are certainly a number of "X-Factors" that can't be (at this time) scientifically explained (as Dr. John Alexander & Dr. Colm Kelleher have said a number of times).

I wanted to make a small amplification on the hypothesis that,
"the ZPF-lifeforms/free-floating information matrice/dark plasma
lifeforms/whatever you want to call them"

are feeding on egregores

en.wikipedia.org...

NOT NECESSARILY ON US.

(sorry for shouting).

Some people are so obsessed with the concept that we are being
fed upon.. which.. Im not sure why they like that idea so much..
or if it's true.. why it's so worrisome.. if it doesn't hurt us..

we have e. choli in our guts.. everyone one of us.. and that microbe
is "feeding on us".. it helps digest dairy products and many other things..
it is more helpful than harmful. Life is full of such partnerships.

If in general, if the "critters" exist, and are "feeding on" human
refuse.. what's wrong with that?

We form all these passionate and crazy thoughts and then blast
them into the ether so to speak.. hardly giving a thought to
it..

sure there is a huge physical component to human thought,
but there's almost certainly "waste EM or/and quantum wiggles"
generated by us..

and if it just so happens to be at a wavelength or is of a type
that some critter finds yum... what's wrong with that! I mean,
I'm not emotionally attached to my mountain dew can, after
i guzzle down the soda.

If this is true, it greatly reduces the yuck factor.. and it
open up other opportunities for research..

now of course.. if "critters" exist, and you hatch one in
your body.. it probably goes YUM YUM YUM! and gives
you all the "Kundalini symptoms" and possibly kills
you by accident..

you are just an incubator after all... and if you do it
willingly... even if grossly misinformed.. it's all on
you!

Of course "bad guys" exist out there.. but never
underestimate the power of human stupidity
and ignorance.

Kev

a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

So happy someone brought up the djinn possibility.
KPB as you must know the djinn are represented by a variety of colors, like green. Blue, red etc.

What color do you think this one is?

a reply to: NAVO66

dJinn are culturally colored.

I'm not a proponent (or opponent) of that culture.

I've read the various non-Koran djinn lore.. and I know there
are the really bad dudes.. like Iblis.. and the really bad black/red/blue
ones, etc. (I semi-forget the colors honestly).

If you are a Muslim, and really fervent, you will probably conjure up
some "djinn".

Christians love their demons so much, occultists like egregore
and elementals,

Easterners might like deva, Buddhists hungry ghosts..

Americans love their nuts and bolts UFOs and Ancient Aliens..

it's all the same stuff.

We generate the legends, and "they" feed on it.

That's my observation.

Could something like dJinn really, independently exist?
Well REG sure thinks so.. she's got some great stories..

There ARE some "well-fed critters" who are permanently
attached to strong power sources...

they make our "earthly critters" look like mice in comparison..
I met one in 1982.

So to answer your question.. I don't know.. I'm not qualified
to make grand proclamations on that scale..

it's really EMBARASSING that I have to go on as I do... and
I say HYPOTHESIS and THEORY a lot..

I just want the concepts out there for consideration.

Kev

Big fan of Rosemary, based on concepts inspired by her discriptions of various djinn I’m going to guess a blue transitioning to black

(Blue djinn are ancient, powerful, and extremely intelligent. Black djinn are equal to blue but are more evil in nature.)reply to: KellyPrettyBear

a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

The neighbors are hurt by a lot of things and humans are the daemons as you say KPB. (and "food" in many varied ways)

I should have said a few of the neighbors.

Mine keep pushing me back to ATS and the subject of skinwalker and the neighbors in general.

While none of them push me beyond my limits anymore, there is still a comparatively gentle agenda of educating myself and achieving a few goals. I don't get a "free ride" of info.

Yes the neighbors feelings are pretty hurt, yet some can see something good comming out of what is happening.

Mind you, there were a lot of hurt feelings when I read the "meme" and "free floating . . .", they saw the thought in my mind and there was an outcry of "We are far more then that!".

I smoothed things over.