Enlightenment cannot be fabricated

Enlightenment cannot be fabricated
It can only be a discovery
Of that which always is.
Whatever one pushes,
Is just something man made
Humans have the natural ability
To realize
But the truth that is forced
Or the truth that is extracted
Is nothing but information.
For the Human hunter-gatherers
Truth is always available,
but to enter truth, enter the wisdom.
The forceful way opens no doors.
So perfect it is.
There is no he or she about it.
All humans can do is talk,
talk and point about it.
For to slip into wisdom
All distinctions must be discarded.
Whatever your choice
Wisdom is not disconcerted.
Whether you miss or enter
Wisdom always is.

a reply to: ancientthunder

So what are the empirical benefits of becoming enlightened?

a reply to: Woodcarver

recognition of prima matter is an individually realized commodity. While it is all around, all the time, reason is not its meter.

originally posted by: BlueJacket
a reply to: Woodcarver

recognition of prima matter is an individually realized commodity. While it is all around, all the time, reason is not its meter.

could you expound on that in a way that makes sense?

Metaphor is best to reply to the question.
Let us imagine, that for humans on birth we all have access to Olives. But, the olive oil is not available to those who care not to discover it.
a reply to: Woodcarver

Sacred cloth
Sacred cloth church
Sacred cloth church St Peters

All fabricated objects accessible by search engine.

originally posted by: Woodcarver
a reply to: ancientthunder

So what are the empirical benefits of becoming enlightened?

I wonder, could it be understanding? Maybe that understanding is just a tool and it will be up to the individual on how they will use that knowledge. It could bring either pleasure or pain.

But then again, if someone is able to obtain that level of understanding/wisdom, would that mean they will use it for benevolent purposes? If someone were seeking that knowledge for selfish gain, maybe they will never attain that enlightenment.

So it could be very possible obtaining that enlightenment will bring peace/contentment and a better understanding of this reality.

edit:
Could enlightenment be dualistic?

a reply to: Woodcarver

‘Glee’ is the answer when questions are wrong

a reply to: ClovenSky

Buddha
Buddha death
Buddha death elephant
Buddha death elephant trunk

originally posted by: Woodcarver
a reply to: ancientthunder

So what are the empirical benefits of becoming enlightened?

No one can become enlightened!!
'Enlightenment' is what IS.

This is the light right here, right now - eternally.

There is only the light that is here now - and there maybe the illusion of someone/something separate.

originally posted by: ClovenSky

So it could be very possible obtaining that enlightenment will bring peace/contentment and a better understanding of this reality.

edit:
Could enlightenment be dualistic?

The individual wants and needs to understand this reality.........so there can be no peace/contentment because there is a constant search for something.
What actually IS cannot be found - because it is already - this is it.
This is non dual - there is no other - just this that IS.

a reply to: ClovenSky

Indeed - the desire to fit in dissolves because the separate self has dropped away - there is just what there is.
Who or what would need to fit in?

Enlightenment cannot be fabricated ?
only to some one who IS enlightened.
ever one else can be fooled.

Enlightenment!
some one who does not gives a !
about any one else.
as they believe they should get them self enlightened.
they see the pain and suffering as a step to Enlightenment!
so You best suffer HELL!

Not me!
why is the road to so called heaven a Hell?
If some one beats the .... out of you
so that You see what they give you to be heaven.
then it is NOT heaven. but brain washing.
forcing you to accept what they give you.

all are just objects so.....not aplicablea reply to: Cauliflower

a reply to: buddha
(Enlightenment cannot be fabricated ?
only to some one who IS enlightened.
ever one else can be fooled. )

People can be fooled but enligtenment cannot be fabricated, that is the message. Focus on the message.

Halls of Amenti calling.... an unwatched illusion. State of consiousness. Beyond words. Beyond Ego. awake.
Enlightment... cool light warm hearth of spirit.

a reply to: ancientthunder

Enlightenment cannot be described it can only be experienced.

Jaden

Has anyone here actually been or is enlightened?

Or is this just speculation?

There has never been anybody enlightened! Its not about individuality its about a natural state. Its about realization! a reply to: Boundless1