Legal System for Schools Needed?

with these school shootings happening in every type of community it has me wondering about things not ever talked about...

is violence in general and bullying common in american schools? can teachers, administrators and parents even do anything about it?

if i'm right and it is common then maybe the school system needs a change which will give schools the power they need to take real action, maybe it's time to allow schools to set up student governments, law enforcement, jails or some such isolating method to punish beyond just suspension or expulsion, a court system ran by students and jury duty for students.

if the general population has these things then why do schools not have them? maybe more personal responsibility would fix many of the issues among students in our school system that are causing school shootings and other unmentioned violent behavior.

what do you think...

a reply to: namehere

In the history of the US, 800 kids have been killed in school shootings.

Anything but "common place".

originally posted by: namehere
with these school shootings happening in every type of community it has me wondering about things not ever talked about...

is violence in general and bullying common in american schools? can teachers, administrators and parents even do anything about it?

if i'm right and it is common then maybe the school system needs a change which will give schools the power they need to take real action, maybe it's time to allow schools to set up student governments, law enforcement, jails or some such isolating method to punish beyond just suspension or expulsion, a court system ran by students and jury duty for students.

if the general population has these things then why do schools not have them? maybe more personal responsibility would fix many of the issues among students in our school system that are causing school shootings and other unmentioned violent behavior.

what do you think...

In my opinion, the local schools already take too many liberties, as it is. The problem lies as much with parenting as the schools.

I'd prefer an alternate school system, something akin to the U.K.. Both public and private school systems. Live in facilities much reduces the opportunity for entrance by those that would harm and those that are enrolled that would harm could simply be booted out. Discipline would be uniform and unfettered in the private school system. That would clean up a lot of the U.S.'s current problems....including education quality, itself. JMO, though.

originally posted by: bigfatfurrytexan
a reply to: namehere

In the history of the US, 800 kids have been killed in school shootings.

Anything but "common place".

Yea, more laws to prevent those who already have a mental disability to take others out because reasons is the answer. People who want to kill will kill, the fact we are focusing on children? Why are we afraid to address the REAL issue! IT AIN'T GUNZ!

a reply to: namehere

A court system ran by students I don't know ...LOL literally my friends in high school would be looking for ways frame each other on real or bogus charges.

originally posted by: bigfatfurrytexan
a reply to: namehere

In the history of the US, 800 kids have been killed in school shootings.

Anything but "common place".

violence and bullying is all over the place though.
some kids have a rough go

a reply to: namehere

That's what we need: a court system run by folks that eat Tide Pods for the lulz

Students should unionize like the teachers and cops. Hire lobbyists and lawyers to address their grievances.

Or perhaps students should establish a broad based corporation and get some real power.

a reply to: TinySickTears

Always have.

Pecking orders get established in school. Social creatures all of us...

...and often times school administration participates in establishing (or at least recognizing) that order.

I'd rather have it mandatory for the students to watch the film The Breakfast Club to show them that within each of these "cliques" they are all just the same, dealing with their own brand of strife. Picking on others to make you feel good is wrong.

Hell, it can't hurt!

originally posted by: bigfatfurrytexan
a reply to: namehere

In the history of the US, 800 kids have been killed in school shootings.

Anything but "common place".

800 out of a couple hundred million

anyhow here is some lib porn for yall

slate

For a staggering number of Americans under 40, however, it doesn’t require any leap of the imagination at all. According to an analysis conducted by the Washington Post earlier this month, more than 150,000 Americans have experienced a shooting on campus since Columbine in 1999.

a reply to: namehere

How about we just fund our schools better, get better teachers, and fix our curriculum. I think that would do more good than some kind of pseudo-body of law

originally posted by: howtonhawky

originally posted by: bigfatfurrytexan
a reply to: namehere

In the history of the US, 800 kids have been killed in school shootings.

Anything but "common place".

800 out of a couple hundred million

anyhow here is some lib porn for yall

slate

For a staggering number of Americans under 40, however, it doesn’t require any leap of the imagination at all. According to an analysis conducted by the Washington Post earlier this month, more than 150,000 Americans have experienced a shooting on campus since Columbine in 1999.

You are talking about being in the vicinity of a shooting.

a reply to: howtonhawky

Slate says, "they are our best hope."

Apparently the Slate staff doesn't live with any children. Could it possibly be that the 1960's monster of culture - where everyone is special and children are the future nonsense - is the actual problem?

I think so. There were NO school shootings in my time and believe me, there was more access to guns as well as more over the top bullying.

The difference is that I wasn't raised to think that neither me, nor my feelings were "special". If I had problems my parents basically told me to "suck it up buttercup".

We need more realistic parenting and less educational coddling.

PS. Slate is also the mag that wants people to socially accept admitted pedophiles. High powered thinking going on over at Slate.

originally posted by: howtonhawky

originally posted by: bigfatfurrytexan
a reply to: namehere

In the history of the US, 800 kids have been killed in school shootings.

Anything but "common place".

800 out of a couple hundred million

anyhow here is some lib porn for yall

slate

For a staggering number of Americans under 40, however, it doesn’t require any leap of the imagination at all. According to an analysis conducted by the Washington Post earlier this month, more than 150,000 Americans have experienced a shooting on campus since Columbine in 1999.

I hate to point out the obvious....but WaPo is full of crap and is known as a CIA mouthpiece from way back.

150k isn't a "staggering number". To be classified as a "rare disease" in the US requires 200k people. 150k people is 0.005% of our population (a little less, actually).

SO what i am surmising here is that WaPo used a scope as wide as possible (experienced, meaning they may have heard the gunshots, or known someone affected), then using adjectives that embellish their half made up number. In the world of statistics, this would be called, "Figures don't lie, but liars can figure".

Easy way to fix this the libertarian way.. Get rid of ALL the government schools..
Get rid of the whole system. Let people have a choice and quit taxing people who do not want to use the
system and have no money to send their children where ever the # they want..

a reply to: Fools

yea when i would get picked on i would just think of ways to take over the world rather than ending any chance i had for dominating everyone long term. jk

but seriously whats up with just giving up these days

Perhaps we should offer dr. evil classes and such

Another oddity, in my younger days the only mass shootings seemed to be disgruntled postal workers. The term "going postal" derived from that.

Maybe we should find out what the post office did to stop their peeps from shooting up places...my guess is they did nothing.

originally posted by: howtonhawky
a reply to: Fools

yea when i would get picked on i would just think of ways to take over the world rather than ending any chance i had for dominating everyone long term. jk

but seriously whats up with just giving up these days

Perhaps we should offer dr. evil classes and such

I think dr. evil classes should be required 101 everywhere.

This would be a great idea, for reality TV type stuff, but eventually the adults would have to step in as the lawlessness becomes strangled by emotions, feelings and a complete lack of morals, ethics, humility and logic.

Lord of the Flies is a 1954 novel by Nobel Prize-winning British author William Golding. The book focuses on a group of British boys stranded on an uninhabited island and their disastrous attempt to govern themselves.