Russian spy: Yulia Skripal 'improving rapidly'

a reply to: DupontDeux

No it was designed to be obsorbed through the skin this makes it very slow acting. This is one of the reasons they know Russia did it the trick isn't making a nerve agent the trick is weoponizing it. Has to be safe for delivery and takes massive research. The secret is the two binary agents, meaning they are made from two precursor chemicals that are mixed together just before use.

No one but russia knows what the binary agents are that would be a closely guarded secret. Making a nerve agent isn't hard making it safe to use incredibly difficult.

PS also using a mass spectrometer can tell you what binding agents were used and that can lead you to a specific lab almost like they signed it.

originally posted by: Soloprotocol
How many police officers touched this door. This story stinks.

You do realize that such chemical agents degrade. Think about it? Think about a scenario of the nerve agent being applied to the door handle during the hours of darkness in order to avoid detection. The agent is already degrading but is potent enough after a period of time to effect the Skripals. Skripal could have been wearing dress gloves or driving gloves and then later took them off exposing his hands to the nerve agent. His daughter was likely cross contaminated by hand holding or arm linking as the walked to the pub/restaurant. Now think of the time elapsed before the police arrived at the house? Now think of the time elapsed and that the police officers would be wearing gloves. It isn't rocket science to realize that the agent had degraded substantially.

I dunno about that claim. We had a elderly lady tenant in an apartment who got Mersa from a sloppy Nursing Home, where she was sent from a Hospital, to recuperate from surgery. We had to Bleach that apartment from top to bottom, and throw out carpets, and anything loose. MERSA can hang around and grab you, for at least six months. Our handyman worked in hotels, and was trained up, with the proper equipment, including safety clothing. So we got rid of that crapola safely, which was what was the most important. Our tenant was only put into a bed, near a known MERSA patient, and was contaminated without any direct contact. She came home, got really sick, and was rushed back to the hospital, where they took out half of her lower G.I. tract. Now she has to wear a colostomy bag. If the Russkies have given their nerve compound the "Persistence" of the MERSA bacteria, then forget about degradation, even on a metal surface. I posted earlier about the shelf of organo phosphides which are used as reagents, in trans Uranic separations. They are in a range, up to being weaponized. But who knows how "persistent" some of those interstitial reagents are, if they get loose in a lab?

a reply to: carpooler

You're comparing apples to oranges. Novichok is a chemical compound. It's not a biological agent. They can't just breed it to stick around for longer. It has a very specific chemical formula and anything done to change that formula changes the compound. Being out in the elements like that, the sample would have been subjected to a number of factors that tend to break down chemical compounds, like sunlight and oxidation.

a reply to: Xcalibur254
No, you cannot possibly make that claim, unilaterally. Micro encapsulated Parathion, stays persistent until temps, and humidity are right. I've tried to make this thread aware of the shelf full of organo phosphides, used as reagents. You won't hear of them, anywhere else. If a carrier has been developed for Parathion, then it's possible for this Novachuck to have, had one, too. Case in point; British Mosquito Bombers were made out of scads of little pieces of spruce, glued together with a binary glue. One half of this binary glue was spread on each adjoining piece, kept in large parts bins. They then just mated them together, by hand, and the glue set up instantly. My late uncle was a chemical engineer, and he scoffed at my claim they were dried out. He said that those two pieces of Spruce, had to be at least "Tacky", for that glue to work, as advertised. Salisbury Plain is cool and damp, so with the right chemicals, a nerve agent could be applied to a metal surface, and it would stay put there, for quite some time.
I'm not speaking of six months, like MERSA, but maybe only for a week. But the Skripal's niece claims that her two relatives may only have eaten spoiled fish, and contracted food poisoning. Nerve agents have peculiar symptoms, so we should get the solution, when the daughter makes her recovery, in a few more days. Food poisoning should leave signature traces in her body's immune system. Nerve agents affect a small gland in your neck. Now, if the Brits mis-diognosed a case of food poisoning for Nerve Agents, will they ever admit their Boo Boo??

Great Britain and American have been give a case file that contains chemical analyses of a substance believed to be a novichok produced in Russia’s closed Shikhany military facility, a Russian lawyer has told the Guardian Newspaper.
Here's a link to the article in the Guardian.

A link to the Guardian.