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§ 600.4 Jurisdiction.
(a)Original jurisdiction. The jurisdiction of a Special Counsel shall be established by the Attorney General. The Special Counsel will be provided with a specific factual statement of the matter to be investigated. The jurisdiction of a Special Counsel shall also include the authority to investigate and prosecute federal crimes committed in the course of, and with intent to interfere with, the Special Counsel's investigation, such as perjury, obstruction of justice, destruction of evidence, and intimidation of witnesses; and to conduct appeals arising out of the matter being investigated and/or prosecuted.
(b)Additional jurisdiction. If in the course of his or her investigation the Special Counsel concludes that additional jurisdiction beyond that specified in his or her original jurisdiction is necessary in order to fully investigate and resolve the matters assigned, or to investigate new matters that come to light in the course of his or her investigation, he or she shall consult with the Attorney General, who will determine whether to include the additional matters within the Special Counsel's jurisdiction or assign them elsewhere.
(c)Civil and administrative jurisdiction. If in the course of his or her investigation the Special Counsel determines that administrative remedies, civil sanctions or other governmental action outside the criminal justice system might be appropriate, he or she shall consult with the Attorney General with respect to the appropriate component to take any necessary action. A Special Counsel shall not have civil or administrative authority unless specifically granted such jurisdiction by the Attorney General.
originally posted by: Wayfarer
a reply to: Xcathdra
Well make your bets now.
I'll bite.
My Prediction: This will fail.
originally posted by: Wayfarer
a reply to: Xcathdra
Well make your bets now.
I'll bite.
My Prediction: This will fail.
originally posted by: DogStarIn1066
originally posted by: Wayfarer
a reply to: Xcathdra
Well make your bets now.
I'll bite.
My Prediction: This will fail.
If not federal, then the state AGs will get him. They are already sharing info.
Manafort is a bad guy. He should, and will go down.
originally posted by: OccamsRazor04
a reply to: DogStarIn1066
I agree, just not tied to Trump, and the people behind this circus should also go down.
originally posted by: Xcathdra
originally posted by: DogStarIn1066
originally posted by: Wayfarer
a reply to: Xcathdra
Well make your bets now.
I'll bite.
My Prediction: This will fail.
If not federal, then the state AGs will get him. They are already sharing info.
Manafort is a bad guy. He should, and will go down.
The problem here is the FBI already investigated the crimes Manafort is accused of and did so years ago. The DOJ opted not to prosecute.
ETA in general -
Also to address a question im sure people will have about the motion, specifically the part about Mueller lacking jurisdiction and authority to convene a grand jury for Manafort's crimes.
The motion argues that Mueller was never granted jurisdiction to investigate anything unrelated to Russia-Trump. The fact Mueller went to a grand jury to get indictments on Manafort for the financial crimes / FARA created the problem. Because Mueller lacked jurisdiction to investigate Manafort's crimes he had no legal authority to convene a grand jury to indict Manafort.
Hence their argument in the motion.
originally posted by: Xcathdra
a reply to: DogStarIn1066
Sure however you have to prove that he violated a state law. There is a reason money laundering is generally Federal considering what it deals with (transactions crossing state lines / international boundaries while using financial services / organized crime and corruption etc).
Also you are going to have to convince a judge the prosecution is not malicious since these crimes happened more than a decade ago. From my point of view going after Manafort, at both levels of government, is prosecutorial misconduct considering the time frame the authorities knew about the crimes and the fact they declined to prosecute.
His Ukraine issue ties into the financial crimes and is something New York would most likely not have any jurisdiction to investigate / prosecute (there are exceptions).
Finally if his motion to dismiss is granted one can argue that any future prosecutions are invalid since the evidence used is fruit of the poisonous tree. All evidence gathered by the FBI / DOJ / Manafort is tainted given the way the crimes were initially investigated with no prosecution and given the way the special counsel used the original investigations to claim the discovered the crimes themselves.
Also for clarification Federal prosecutors can only prosecute federal law violations and state prosecutors can only prosecute violations of state crimes. A state prosecutor cannot prosecute a person using a federal statute violation. If the state has no laws governing the violation they cant do anything about it.
originally posted by: DogStarIn1066
originally posted by: Wayfarer
a reply to: Xcathdra
Well make your bets now.
I'll bite.
My Prediction: This will fail.
If not federal, then the state AGs will get him. They are already sharing info.
Manafort is a bad guy. He should, and will go down.
originally posted by: burgerbuddy
originally posted by: DogStarIn1066
originally posted by: Wayfarer
a reply to: Xcathdra
Well make your bets now.
I'll bite.
My Prediction: This will fail.
If not federal, then the state AGs will get him. They are already sharing info.
Manafort is a bad guy. He should, and will go down.
For what, something all ex politicos do?
Then get them all. Didn't he work for Podesta?
I agree, if you take him down but make sure you bring them ALL down.
You know, just to fair and all.
And I don't think states can charge you with a federal crime.
originally posted by: Lumenari
originally posted by: Wayfarer
a reply to: Xcathdra
Well make your bets now.
I'll bite.
My Prediction: This will fail.
I've actually followed it and I think Manafort has a pretty good shot at a motion to dismiss.
Especially now that the SC is apparently just trying to keep something, ANYTHING going to provide talking points for the 18 elections.
Most Americans are tired of the show. It hasn't produced anything that it was put together to look for but... well, anything actually except... a few hundred Russian bots that were not tied to the campaign?
I mean, they are re-leaking their older leaks at this point to keep relevant.
Let's see where the IG report goes.
originally posted by: Wayfarer
a reply to: Xcathdra
Well make your bets now.
I'll bite.
My Prediction: This will fail.
originally posted by: Vector99
originally posted by: Wayfarer
a reply to: Xcathdra
Well make your bets now.
I'll bite.
My Prediction: This will fail.
Just like his first one right? Was going to be shot down right out of the gate.
Well, that actually didn't happen though. It was granted and transferred to the initial court if I remember right.
originally posted by: KansasGirl
originally posted by: Lumenari
originally posted by: Wayfarer
a reply to: Xcathdra
Well make your bets now.
I'll bite.
My Prediction: This will fail.
I've actually followed it and I think Manafort has a pretty good shot at a motion to dismiss.
Especially now that the SC is apparently just trying to keep something, ANYTHING going to provide talking points for the 18 elections.
Most Americans are tired of the show. It hasn't produced anything that it was put together to look for but... well, anything actually except... a few hundred Russian bots that were not tied to the campaign?
I mean, they are re-leaking their older leaks at this point to keep relevant.
Let's see where the IG report goes.
Oh no....your post just made me think.....do you think they are going to hold off on releasing the IG report until after the 2018 elections?? With the crap we've found out about all of these assholes this year, I would not be surprised in the SLIGHTEST if that's what happens. Have we heard any talk about the IG report lately? Seems mention of it has gone quiet. Uh oh.
originally posted by: DogStarIn1066
It seems like you are rooting for him. Why?