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originally posted by: Woodcarver
so let’s start banning things based on the amount of people killed by them. Guns would be near the bottom of that list.
originally posted by: Byrd
originally posted by: DigginFoTroof
I have to ask this because I'm getting serious dissonance between the media and protesters and the numbers I've researched - but are the numbers I posted for the school shootings what others have heard? I always hear things like "a school shooting every other day" or "18 already this year" but it is always surrounded by nebulous terms, facts and statistics.
They're not talking about "killed" or "mass shootings." They're talking about injury AND death. Most of the time these don't make national news... you have to look for local news.
Frankly, even one child shot by somebody (even if in an after school fight on school grounds between students over someone's boyfriend) is one child too many.
Alcohol, tobacco, and cars, should be your focus if what you are really worried about are people’s lives.
And facts.
originally posted by: carewemust
a reply to: DigginFoTroof
I started a thread similar to this last month. The bottom line is that school shootings are relatively small compared to the number of children who are killed by guns every year all over the United States.
1300 children under the age of 18 are murdered by a gun in the United States every year.
originally posted by: Irishhaf
a reply to: Byrd
Depends on where you get those statistics and what metrics they use, I remember back during the brady bill discussion the brady foundation changed the definition of what a kid was to include anyone still on their parents insurance so birth to what 24 yrs of age, that will skew things quite a bit.
Do they count suicides, gang on gang violence, or just a bad kid with a gun shooting innocents all those can adjust the numbers up and down.
originally posted by: drock905
a reply to: Byrd
80% of all gun homicides are by gang violence. So the vast majority of gun violence is done by criminals. How will regulating firearms more have any difference if the perpetrators are already criminals and would be barred from obtaining
weapons legally anyway?
And in the last 25 years there are an average of 10 students killed per year in school shootings, of course no one wants any children killed but portraying it as a epidemic of gun violence is dishonest. Gun violence in schools has actually gone down.
originally posted by: drock905
The 18 shootings is propaganda
www.usatoday.com...
“In eight of the 18 cases originally counted by Everytown, no one was injured or killed. Two were suicides.”
From 2007 through 2012, a sizeable majority (more than 80 percent) of respondents provided data on gang-related homicides in their jurisdictions. The total number of gang homicides reported by respondents in the NYGS sample averaged nearly 2,000 annually from 2007 to 2012. During roughly the same time period (2007 to 2011), the FBI estimated, on average, more than 15,500 homicides across the United States (www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2011/crime-in-the-u.s.-2011/tables/table-1). These estimates suggest that gang-related homicides typically accounted for around 13 percent of all homicides annually. Highly populated areas accounted for the vast majority of gang homicides: nearly 67 percent occurred in cities with populations over 100,000, and 17 percent occurred in suburban counties in 2012. The number of gang-related homicides decreased 2 percent from 2010 to 2011 and then increased by 28 percent from 2011 to 2012 in cities with populations over 100,000. In a typical year in the so-called “gang capitals” of Chicago and Los Angeles, around half of all homicides are gang-related; these two cities alone accounted for approximately one in four gang homicides recorded in the NYGS from 2011 to 2012. Among agencies serving rural counties and smaller cities that reported gang activity, around 75 percent reported zero gang-related homicides. Five percent or less of all gang homicides occurred in these areas annually. Overall, these results demonstrate conclusively that gang violence is greatly concentrated in the largest cities across the United States.
Key findings include: In Los Angeles and Long Beach, less than 5 percent of all homicides were associated with known drug trade or use. In Oakland, 12.5 percent of gang homicides compared to 16.5 percent of nongang homicides involved drug trade / use; in Oklahoma City, 25.4 percent of gang homicides compared to 22.8 percent of nongang homicides involved drug trade / use. Newark was the only city with a significantly higher proportion of gang homicides (20 percent) vs. nongang homicides (6 percent) that involved drug trade / use. There was a significantly higher proportion of gang homicide victims who were 15-19 years old in all cities; in general, gang homicide victims were younger than nongang homicide victims. Approximately 80 percent of all homicide victims were male in each city; however, Los Angeles, Newark, and Oklahoma City still reported significantly higher proportions of male victims in gang homicide incidents compared with nongang homicide incidents. In all cities, 92–96 percent of gang homicide incidents involved firearms, compared with firearm involvement in 57–86 percent of nongang related homicides. Drive-by shootings were more likely to contribute to gang homicides than other types of homicide in Los Angeles and Oklahoma City (24 percent of gang homicides in each city were from drive-by shootings). In Los Angeles and Oakland, a significantly higher proportion of gang victims were Hispanic. In Oklahoma City, a significantly higher proportion of gang victims were non-Hispanic black compared with nongang victims. Less than 6 percent victims of gang and nongang homicides were bystanders. In Los Angeles and Long Beach, gang homicides accounted for the majority of homicides among 15-24-year-olds (61 and 69 percent, respectively). A significantly smaller proportion of gang than nongang homicides were associated with other crimes in progress in Los Angeles, Long Beach, and Oakland (ranging from 0-3 percent for gang homicides versus 9-15 percent for nongang).
originally posted by: Byrd
originally posted by: drock905
The 18 shootings is propaganda
www.usatoday.com...
“In eight of the 18 cases originally counted by Everytown, no one was injured or killed. Two were suicides.”
That's an op-ed piece and the author didn't link anything to show that their statements were correct.
Now, you may disagree with the site I'm going to link here but this website scrapes data from news reports - and there's a LOT of firearm incidents every single day. I rather like this site because it separates out injuries, deaths, accidental discharge, defensive discharge of weapons, officer involvement, and home invasions.
We're three months into the year and to me the map shows that we've got a huge problem.
originally posted by: Sillyolme
The first school shooting in the U.S. was in 1764. Before we were a country.
One really weird shooting took place in Florence Alabama in August of 1856 where a school master had a pet sparrow. He had warned his students that if any of them harmed the bird he would kill them. Apparently a student stepped on the bird and killed it. The teacher took the student into a back room and strangled him. Upon hearing of the crime the students father then shot the school master.
This is why I didn't let my boys volunteer to keep the class mascot during school holidays.
One thing I noticed was a steady escalation in school violence over time. Where it was once in a decade in our early years became four in one month in Sept 2006. In 2008 There was eleven school shootings.
originally posted by: erinfabish
Just a thought...it occurred to me after I seen the post with Hitler and his theory in it....with all the numbers being exasperated do you wonder if it has something to do with the theory that the US elections were tampered with by Russia....You know maybe coersion tactics to get the people to demand gun restriction? ....If they did tamper with the elections couldn't they coerse the people into the idea of gun control?