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How many “cartoon stereotype” political shills do you know in real life???

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posted on Mar, 16 2018 @ 12:16 PM
Ok, try this again.. I was half way through writing this and hit the color change button and erased it all... ATS on your phone can be downright annoying sometimes..

So here is the premiss...

How many “stereotype cartoon “ liberals and conservatives do you know in real life????

The internet doesn’t count. Television doesn’t count..

Only people you personally have met and know well enough to say the label fairly applies.

First off let’s define what each sides “cartoon stereotype” would look like. And remember these are supposed to be the extremes.. so by definition this is not the average..

Also I guess it is fair to still count someone if they agree with most of the list , even if like one doesn’t fit.

Left wing Cartoon Stereotype-

1) thinks abortion should be legal up until the 8th month.

Commentators swear people want abortion till the moment of delivery but I’m trying to be fair.. and I don’t think ANYONE knows people that want 9 month abortion..

2) wants the government to go house to house collecting all the guns.

3) wants to Swap to 100% socialism where the US government personally runs every buisness..

4) wants to make all religions except Islam illegal or wants Islam to be America’s official religion.

5) thinks all derogatory names should be illegal to say.

6) hates all white people including themselves.

7) is trying to demasculate all the men.. (I can’t think of a good short extreme feminist definition really...)

8) wants to make humans rights secondary to animal rights.

9) loves hillary clinton

10) thinks government can solve all the problems..and should do everything for everyone.

Rightwing shill-

1) thinks all talk of gun control legislation should be forbidden.

2) thinks all guns should be legal to own.

3) wants Christianity to be declared Americas official religion.

4) wants Islam banned in America.

5) believes climate change is a TOTAL conspiracy.

6) believes obama is a super secret Muslim socialist trying to destroy/hurt the country.

7) would disown their child if they married/dated a black person.

8) thinks abortion is murder and should ALWAYS be illegal even in cases of rape or incest.

9) wants 100% unfettered capitalism and thinks government is the problem.

As I mentioned, just because one fits isn’t enough. You need the majority of the list to apply.

edit on 16-3-2018 by JoshuaCox because: (no reason given)

posted on Mar, 16 2018 @ 12:20 PM
a reply to: JoshuaCox

I personally do not know anyone who fits the “leftwing shill” list..

There is one chic I know who almost applies.. but I don’t know her well enough to know all her positions.

HOWEVER, and maybe it’s a regional thing, I am in Mississippi, but I know probably 10 who Mach the majority of the rightwing list.

It makes me wonder if it is a regional thing, and those in LA know a dozen cartoon liberals, but only one maybe cartoon conservative, or if the the cartoon liberal is almost nonexistent..

posted on Mar, 16 2018 @ 12:21 PM
Thank you for including this line:

The internet doesn’t count.

When I saw the thread title I was concerned that people would respond with fellow ATS member names. Glad to see that's not going to happen (especially since it's against T&C).

posted on Mar, 16 2018 @ 12:22 PM
You know, this says more about you and your own stereotypes than it does about anyone else.

posted on Mar, 16 2018 @ 12:23 PM
I admire the effort/intent here but, one major problem, in the real world, most people wouldn't dare cop to these things openly. They might think them but they wouldn't say them (aside from to perhaps a select few close friends). Also, I think theres plenty of people who sail close to these steroptypes but don't quite make it.

A totally honest response to your question though, taking it 100% at face value is a big fat 0 for me

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posted on Mar, 16 2018 @ 12:24 PM
How many shills are there per 100,000 people would be an interesting figure.

You do realize "shills" are paid insiders or the like, right?

I suppose the statistic would be different based on location (city vs rural etc). The cities in question. And so on.

posted on Mar, 16 2018 @ 12:34 PM
a reply to: JoshuaCox

People are painted with broad strokes today.
But I'm with you, I do not know anybody that would check all the boxes you listed.

posted on Mar, 16 2018 @ 12:36 PM
Hmm.. I have known quite a few from both sides. I don't keep them in my life for long though..

That said, framing the discussion as you have is problematic at best. I'm sure you know that you are heavily biased J, which isn't a huge issue (to me at least). But, it means that it guides us at a level just below our awareness.

Meaning, I wouldn't personally define the caricature of the left so outlandishly while defining the stereotype of the right in a much different fashion. If they look "equal," that points more towards the personal bias than anything. Which, could be the basis for self-examination, though very, very few seize that opportunity.

A good option to start would be to illustrate it by using the same topics. Only a start, and only an option though..

Personally, I would probably base the caricature of the left on an attitude of using rights to strip rights from the right because its the right thing and righteous. I'd create a foundation for the cartoon right by describing an attitude of "get off mah lawn," and "change scares me!"

If we are involving terms like "caricature," "cartoon," etc. then injecting a tinge of humor to the stereotypes is basically a requirement. Rather than creating one side to be more unreasonable, caricature-y, and cartoonish than the other.

Even if we think that disparity is actually representative of reality..

edit on 16-3-2018 by Serdgiam because: Spelling is Hard

posted on Mar, 16 2018 @ 12:43 PM

4) wants to make all religions except Islam illegal or wants Islam to be America’s official religion.

I made this comment on another thread, and I am honestly curious, how could someone who claims to be on the "left" defend an ideology that is about as far-right as you can get? It continually baffles me.

ETA. I'm not referring to the OP here, just in general.
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posted on Mar, 16 2018 @ 01:02 PM
a reply to: Flatcoat

They don’t.. they point out the hypocrisy of a Christian pointing fingers at the Koran. Which then gets twisted into “they love Islam.”

Liberals tend to be atheists/agnostics or don’t take their personal religion super seriously.

posted on Mar, 16 2018 @ 01:03 PM
a reply to: Djarums

And I am asking for a number, not a name.

posted on Mar, 16 2018 @ 01:04 PM
a reply to: Indrasweb

In Mississippi they do.. atleast the right wing list. Lol..

In 36 years I have never met anyone who fits the right wings stereotype liberal though..

It makes me think they don’t really exist.

posted on Mar, 16 2018 @ 01:07 PM
a reply to: JoshuaCox

a whole bunch.

My great aunt was regional director for planned parenthood for 20 some odd years. I live just north of austin, where there is this strange mix of very liberal austin hippies, and very conservative rural texans.

I also interact with quite a few professionals that tend to be pigeonholed rather correctly. Interior designers and military brass are 2 good examples.

posted on Mar, 16 2018 @ 01:09 PM
a reply to: JoshuaCox

Add a handfull of Eastern and native religions into #4 (or, rather, just say "thinks Christianity and Judaism should be banned while embracing every other religion") and replace #9 with "loves Bernie Sanders and embraced Clinton after Sanders sold out" and I absolutely know two women who fit the liberal shill stereotype to a tee. Not coincidentally, both are public school teachers.

ETA, on the conservative side, punt #7 off the playing field and revise #9 to cover national protectionist economic policies while keeping the government almost invisible within the USA itself and I see that SOB everytime I look in a mirror.
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posted on Mar, 16 2018 @ 01:14 PM
this list shows the OP biases

White people who will disown their kids for dating a black = right wing
so what's a black person who will disown their kid for dating a white kid, Is that's right wing to you too?

The same actions taken by the same parents, do you really judge them differently based on their race. I have a word for treating the same action differently based on the color of one's skin

How about a jewish or a muslium family who will disown their kid for dating someone out side of their religion, is that right wing too?

posted on Mar, 16 2018 @ 01:17 PM
There are few that may fit all of those, but because of my former studies and former and current work, and know a LOT of stereotypical sjws or dem political hacks. There are dozens at my current work alone.

Although I'm fully cognizant that there are a lot of idiots and hacks on the conservative side, I know a lot less personally because my life is mostly filled with liberals.

a reply to: JoshuaCox

edit on 16-3-2018 by Quetzalcoatl14 because: (no reason given)

posted on Mar, 16 2018 @ 01:20 PM
It's regional and work/studies. For example, if you were studying in Mississippi in a more liberal leaning field, you'd see more. Same with let's say a justice orientated job. As someone that grew up in the SF Bay Area, live in ny, studied with liberals mostly, and work in an all liberal office, I literally might know over a hundred left wing political hacks. My life is a 4 hit combo for meeting such. However, even still they aren't everyone by any means. Lots of moderate, rational liberals too. a reply to: JoshuaCox

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posted on Mar, 16 2018 @ 01:30 PM
a reply to: IgnoranceIsntBlisss

Same difference except regular people are cheaper.. as in only cost you the price to propagandize them..

posted on Mar, 16 2018 @ 01:31 PM
a reply to: Bluntone22

Move to mississippi lol

posted on Mar, 16 2018 @ 01:37 PM
a reply to: Quetzalcoatl14

But were they cartoon liberal hacks.. aka “as sold by right wing television?”

I have never met someone who thinks the federal governor going around and confiscating all the guns is a good idea.. no one..

I absolutely know people who have disowned children for dating black people..

I Have never met ANYONE who thinks abortion should be till the 8-9th month..

I do know people who think that no exceptions should be made..

Everything I listed is a normal everyday rightwing taking point and have never personally met anyone who could EVER check more than one box on the left wing list..

I know ten personally who check ever box on the right.
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