2018 Pennsylvania Special Election House Live Results

originally posted by: pteridine As to a mandate, Allegheny county went for Hillary because it contains the city of Pittsburgh which is Dem heavy so it is loaded for Lamb.

Allegheny county must now be heavy with independently wealthy people. The Tax Cuts and Tariffs on imported steel had no impact on them.

Losing a basketball game by 1 point causes more introspection, than winning by 1 point. Republicans need to lose the PA race by 1 point.

originally posted by: carewemust

originally posted by: pteridine As to a mandate, Allegheny county went for Hillary because it contains the city of Pittsburgh which is Dem heavy so it is loaded for Lamb.

Allegheny county must now be heavy with independently wealthy people. The Tax Cuts and Tariffs on imported steel had no impact on them.

Lamb comes from a local political family, so his name is well known. His grandfather was speaker of the PA house and his uncle Mike is the Pittsburgh City Controller. He stayed mute on many topics and waffled on many more, so people don't really know how he will behave in DC. Saccone is not the best candidate and it took several ballots by the Republican Committee to select him [neither candidate went through a primary].
The working folk are just starting to see the tax cuts. Steel tariffs haven't reached them yet and that may be too late as the area has evolved away from heavy industry. Dorothy Six is gone.

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originally posted by: pteridine

originally posted by: carewemust

originally posted by: pteridine As to a mandate, Allegheny county went for Hillary because it contains the city of Pittsburgh which is Dem heavy so it is loaded for Lamb.

Allegheny county must now be heavy with independently wealthy people. The Tax Cuts and Tariffs on imported steel had no impact on them.

Lamb comes from a local political family, so his name is well known. His grandfather was speaker of the PA house and his uncle Mike is the Pittsburgh City Controller. He stayed mute on many topics and waffled on many more, so people don't really know how he will behave in DC. Saccone is not the best candidate and it took several ballots by the Republican Committee to select him [neither candidate went through a primary].
The working folk are just starting to see the tax cuts. Steel tariffs haven't reached them yet and that may be too late as the area has evolved away from heavy industry. Dorothy Six is gone.

Thanks for the insights from a local perspective. Saccone reminds me of that guy in Alabama who President Trump endorsed. Low Energy. Even lower charisma.

originally posted by: IAMTAT

originally posted by: BlueAjah
a reply to: Sillyolme

Lawsuit: 100,000 noncitizens registered to vote in Pennsylvania

Of course. The count will need to be challenged to look for voter fraud.

Just keep pounding that nail

From the Kansas lawsuit with Kris Kobach: www.esquire.com...

Von Spakovsky has said that voter fraud is a serious problem both in Kansas and nationally. Questioned by Kobach in court on Friday, he pointed to a handful of cases in Kansas and hundreds of allegations of noncitizens on the voter rolls that date back to the 1980s. But Ho noted that von Spakovsky had donated to defendant Kobach’s campaign in 2010 and had voiced support for the idea that being born in the United States doesn’t guarantee U.S. citizenship. Ho intended to show that von Spakovsky had formed an opinion about the Kansas law before he knew much about it and had written an expert report based on unreliable information. Von Spakovsky admitted that he was not aware of a single election in which noncitizen votes determined the outcome. He also conceded that his research into voter fraud had not been subjected to the same kind of rigorous peer review that academic work would face.

Can't point to a single solitary election decided by illegal votes.

This one won't be, either.

But, I guess any excuse is a good one when you lose special elections to Dems in districts Trump won by 20.

Anything is better than admitting that Trump is an absolute disaster, and that only the Q-Cult here doesn't realize it. I'm sure they're going to find your guy won any day now, they''ll find all those illegals voting, same ones that beat Trump by 3 million, I'm sure.

What with the Republican craze about voter fraud and all the voter ID laws, surely you can point us to a study where Voter Fraud played a role, right? I mean, it is SO important to the right, there MUST be evidence out there, correct? Point it out to us.

a reply to: Scrubdog

This is PA, not Kansas.

Lawsuit: 100,000 noncitizens registered to vote in Pennsylvania

originally posted by: Sillyolme

originally posted by: BlueAjah
a reply to: Sillyolme

ATS

You don't trust me? After all these years?

oh no not you baby. I wanted the site because some have issues. I trust you

PS ATS as a source where people believe in flat earth and the Mandela effect? Lol

A hint - you can carefully hover over a link to view the source. It is of course smart not to then click on the link if you don't recognize the source.

I see that you consider ATS just a bunch of deplorables? So... you are one of us then!


I hope that Saccone calls for a recount. I hope they carefully check voters for illegals. This is a chance to challenge the voter registration system in PA.

a reply to: BlueAjah

ya know, although I acknowledge that there may be a few illegal aliens that have voting rights because of clerical errors within the dmv or voter registration office,
the fact that non-citizens can get a drivers license and people can have their information forwarded to the voter registration office by the dmv does not mean that non-citizens are being given the right to vote. the non-citizens may not have been able to provide the documents needed to be eligible to vote, so that information couldn't be forwarded on.

also, you keep saying illegals, it clearly states on the PA DMV website that all immigration documents will be verified through the DHS electronically before issuing a Driver's License, as Learner's Permit, or an Identification card.

www.dot.state.pa.us...

when we moved to virginia, it was a pain in the neck trying to get a learner's permit for one of my kids, even with his mom and his dad with him, with both of us proving we were US citizens. we had to send to texas to get another copy of his birth certificate because his was accidentally packed into storage in NY, we had to have my boss to send him a letter thanking him for the application for employment because, well, he had to prove he was living with us. then, the list of things he needed seemed to change every time we went back. it took us three or four trips before we could prove who our son was, while all those "illegals" drove around in cars licensed in North Carolina where is was much easier.

I've got a feeling that if you have 100s of thousands of illegals voting in your state, it's not because the dmv is doing their customer the favor of fowarding the information to the voter registration office, it's either because your have 100s of thousands committing fraud and swiping people's identities or you have a bunch of idiots employed in these offices!!!

originally posted by: BlueAjah
a reply to: Scrubdog

This is PA, not Kansas.

Lawsuit: 100,000 noncitizens registered to vote in Pennsylvania

How that I've looked at this and of course there's a link in that thread.
But Washington Times is Not the Washington Post or the New York Times even though it takes part of its name from both.
Not quite a hard hitting study is it?

a reply to: BlueAjah

No I don't consider ATS a bunch of deplorables.
It's a bunch of nuts lol. No just kidding.
I think it's a bunch of folks who aren't afraid to ask the hard questions.
And folks who are passionate about their beliefs.
And pedantic types who tell the others they're wrong. Lol.
So no matter how hot the argument gets please know I respect you and every other member for their dedication to their particular cause.
It's all good.
If we all agreed I'd find another community to join. I love the debate.
🍸

a reply to: BlueAjah

A hint - you can carefully hover over a link to view the source. It is of course smart not to then click on the link if you don't recognize the source

I'm on a tablet most of the time. There's an icon , a circle with an i in it. I tap that and it tells me.
Funny enough I get this:

Your connection to this site is not secure.
You should not enter any sensitive information on this site (for example passwords or credit cards) because it could be stolen

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When I check ATS.

So what does this do to the "Trump supporters are racists" narrative? Obviously some Trump supporters in this district had to vote for the Dem candidate for the results to be this close. Do Democrats welcome these "racists" into their camp? Or maybe many of them are perfectly reasonable people who will vote for a moderate Democrat like this candidate was.

The question is, will they run more moderate Democrats in the midterms or go back to hard left #resist types?

originally posted by: face23785
So what does this do to the "Trump supporters are racists" narrative? Obviously some Trump supporters in this district had to vote for the Dem candidate for the results to be this close. Do Democrats welcome these "racists" into their camp? Or maybe many of them are perfectly reasonable people who will vote for a moderate Democrat like this candidate was.

The question is, will they run more moderate Democrats in the midterms or go back to hard left #resist types?

I don't believe there is a hard Left Democrat out there. I don't see any Democrats talking about socialist ideas, or anything remotely hard Left at all. The Democrats are just Lite-Republicans. That is their problem.

If they actually went back to the Left, I think they would get better support.

If Lamb actually sticks to his stated positions, he's basically a Republican anyway. He said he opposes gun control, and that he will not support Nancy Pelosi to lead Democrats in the House. He carefully avoided attacking Trump in any way, shape, or form.

I'm hoping he's actually as moderate as he claims. We need people in Congress who'll actually work to do the job they were elected for.

a reply to: face23785
I'm hoping this race teaches Democrats that they need to try to appeal to moderates again. The current Dem leaders are so far left, guys like Lamb have to basically run away from them screaming to get elected.

originally posted by: AndyFromMichigan
a reply to: face23785
I'm hoping this race teaches Democrats that they need to try to appeal to moderates again. The current Dem leaders are so far left, guys like Lamb have to basically run away from them screaming to get elected.

That's essentially what he did to Pelosi.

There are plenty of blue collar Democrats who voted for Trump but would still vote for a moderate D candidate. Under the right circumstances I could've voted for this guy. I don't agree with him on everything but he's at least palatable.

a reply to: face23785

Exactly. I would vote for Lamb if he was running in my district. He's a solid centrist choice. But I wholly expect the Dem leadership to learn exactly the wrong lesson, and crow on about an anti-Trump wave that doesn't exist. (Again, Lamb repeatedly distanced himself from any suggestions that his race was a referendum on Trump.)

I imagine that there are quite a few republicans who would vote for a moderate dem before they would vote for some of the far right candidates that will probably run...
will they run the more moderate republicans, or are they gonna keep claiming that they aren't republican enough or whatever excuse they are using when they are attacking their own elected officials in washington?
used to be that come election time, I would be able to actually have a decision between the two candidates, sometimes chosing the republican, sometimes the dem, depending on just what I thought would be better for the time. they weren't that much different... now, forget it, both candidates seem to be so willing to go so far to their preferred side that it's scary. and since they want to go so far in their direction, they are finding themselves having to lie more and more to justify their insanity.

a reply to: dawnstar

There's certainly elements of truth to that. Most people are not hard left or right, they're somewhere in between. Radical candidates are only good for certain districts.