Hundred urged to wash clothes after UK nerve agent attack

Hundreds urged to wash clothes after UK nerve agent attack

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I find it interesting that they say the risk is teeeny tiny itsy bitsy, yet the sites tested positive. All the proof I need is to see what the guys are wearing that are cleaning up that area/ that car. Don't freaking wash your clothes, pick it up with a ten foot pole and give it to your annoying neighbor. (just kidding)

The other super disturbing thing about this story is how long they waited to tell the public to wash their clothes, is that really the best they can do.

It’s a interesting development but I think it’s all just a precaution.

Will be interesting to see how this pans out if proven to be Russia behind it.

This isn't a targeted assassination attempt* but a state sponsored act of terrorism.

* which is not to say that would be OK.

a reply to: ScepticScot

I agree. Right after I posted this the news did a story and I swear said Russia at least 20 times. Something is off.

Damn my logic but why the hell would you go to the lengths of using a rare and hard to obtain nerve agent that will no doubt cause copious issue for the person doing the delivery, I mean it did not work or thus far has not.

It just seems like such a extra way to go to knock someone off, at least in by gone times with the poison dagger walking stick it should be instant??..

Can anyone justify why this method would be used?, if you want it to look like natural causes then there must be a good few options on the tick sheet before you come to this?.

If it was state sponsored as it seems to be pushed towards it was a piss poor job and now all bets are off as to what will happen.


I will be watching this situation closely



RA

a reply to: slider1982

I think you make an excellent point about why use such a complicated and specialised method

Two reasons I can think.

It wasn't Russia and who ever did wanted to create a trail that makes it look like it was.

It was Russia and they wanted to create a trail without actually directly admitting it (to make a point, scare other defectors or just because they can).

originally posted by: ScepticScot
a reply to: slider1982

I think you make an excellent point about why use such a complicated and specialised method

Two reasons I can think.

It wasn't Russia and who ever did wanted to create a trail that makes it look like it was.

It was Russia and they wanted to create a trail without actually directly admitting it (to make a point, scare other defectors or just because they can).

Pretty certain it's the latter. The Russian narrative (State TV and Putin's statements) have a clear message that MI6 can't protect you if you defect in the UK.

The only other real possibility I can fathom is an ISIS affiliate group as both UK and Russian services are working together to stop such agents reaching 'enemy combatant' hands; but I highly doubtresources or will to pursue an agent like this.

These double agents that were killed and killed so that it looks that russia did it, were DOUBLE agents.
Both sides would profit if they disappear or die, these double agents know secrets of both sides.
It´s curious that something like this always hapens in the UK(Five Eyes!) and that it always looks like russian agents were too stupid to kill somebody without leaving traces that all lead straight to russia.

It´s too obvious, something smells a bit here!

a reply to: ScepticScot

It’s hard to imagaine how a nerve agent would be found without a foreign power being involved...


And it is hard to imagaine how a foreign government besides Russia would be willing to attack him.

If you see the video of Russian NEWS saying “this guy was a traitor and may have committed suicide , because traitors often commit suicide....”


The one clencher is that the Russian government will get more bad press for the murder, than for whatever truths homie was pushing.

Now they tell them!!!
did you see the video in the news?
of so called soldiers doing the clean up?
that is NOT army NBC suits!!!

what is that patch they have on it?
a line with a single hart beat, That is Not army.
looks like a privet company.

originally posted by: JoshuaCox
a reply to: ScepticScot

It’s hard to imagaine how a nerve agent would be found without a foreign power being involved...


And it is hard to imagaine how a foreign government besides Russia would be willing to attack him.

If you see the video of Russian NEWS saying “this guy was a traitor and may have committed suicide , because traitors often commit suicide....”


The one clencher is that the Russian government will get more bad press for the murder, than for whatever truths homie was pushing.

I agree it was almost certainly Russia. I think the only real question is at what level was it sanctioned

loll wat else..... think the ex spy did it him self to get moore benefits of his betrayal...thats why he used overdated nerf gas or an homemade variaty of it and if it was an secret agency doeing it ....it has to be an very clumsie agency to screw it up that way... oh yeaa forgott compared to the west russians are apes do'nt they ? a reply to: ScepticScot

This incident gets stranger by the day.

I agree that a nerve agent is never going to be top of the list for an untraceable, clinical hit. In fact, just like Polonium 210. You could almost get the impression that somebody wanted a trail to be found. But who and why?

More interesting to me is the fact that traces of the nerve agent have now been found at the Zizzi restaurant and the Mill pub. My understanding is that nerve agents are fast acting - within minutes once released. I can't see the agent being released in either of those places, unless it was in their food/drink, otherwise more bystanders would have been affected. Is it possible that either Skripal or his daughter was carrying the nerve agent? A random thought I expressed here.

Why is the advice to the public who were in the area at the time to wash clothing and clean phones with baby wipes? Surely that is not going to safely decontaminate clothing or other items? Also why the sudden change of advice; "the general public should not panic and are in no danger at all ... oh wait, better shove your clothes in the washing machine and wipe down your smartphones just in case"!

Something is not adding up here.

and they still haven't said what the 'nerve agent' actually is, despite the fact they MUST know by now.

a reply to: RoScoLaz5

BBC News now reporting that the Prime Minister has informed parliament that the nerve agent was Novichok, a military-grade weapon developed by Soviet scientists in the 70's.

Further information here.

so the prime minister gives her contribution to the new cold war aka soap opera !
gas from the 70's seems moore an act of an roque retierd agent with ptss syndrom
atleast they can fill in moore useless sanctions to modern Russia hihi
perhaps the restaurant in question is an secret russian depot from the 70's ?


a reply to: woodward2

originally posted by: slider1982
Damn my logic but why the hell would you go to the lengths of using a rare and hard to obtain nerve agent that will no doubt cause copious issue for the person doing the delivery, I mean it did not work or thus far has not.

It just seems like such a extra way to go to knock someone off, at least in by gone times with the poison dagger walking stick it should be instant??..

Can anyone justify why this method would be used?, if you want it to look like natural causes then there must be a good few options on the tick sheet before you come to this?.

If it was state sponsored as it seems to be pushed towards it was a piss poor job and now all bets are off as to what will happen.


I will be watching this situation closely



RA

It's not hard to obtain - it was designed to be created from regular agricultural chemicals freely exported and imported, so it could be made anywhere. It's more of a generic name for a category of organophosphates. These chemical compounds inhibit the enzyme acetylcholinesterase, preventing the normal breakdown of the neurotransmitter acetylcholine.

Much like a Kalashnikov rifle could be made using a simple workshop.

Using washing powder in generous quantities of water used to be the recommended cleaning procedure. Using baby wipes would more likely to be transfer the chemicals to the skin. Could they be taking advantage of this event to study the effect on a civilian population.

originally posted by: slider1982
Damn my logic but why the hell would you go to the lengths of using a rare and hard to obtain nerve agent that will no doubt cause copious issue for the person doing the delivery, I mean it did not work or thus far has not.

Why did they go to the extremes of using radiation poisoning for Litvinenko? There was radiation trails on the flights from and to Moscow and also in all three hotels the prime suspect stayed in. He was even hospitalised and treated for radiation poisoning when he returned to Moscow.

No doubt at the time they thought that was a good idea too!

originally posted by: buddha
Now they tell them!!!
did you see the video in the news?
of so called soldiers doing the clean up?
that is NOT army NBC suits!!!

what is that patch they have on it?
a line with a single hart beat, That is Not army.
looks like a privet company.

Yes they are Armed Forces of the various CBRN units. Just because some of them are wearing a disposable outer protective layer over their camo NBC suits don't be fooled. You will also see Police scenes of crime also suited up in protective gear.

UK Military deployed at Salisbury.



If you are referring to the red patch that you can see on the grey disposable outer suits then that is the company that makes them. The patch has "Dupont Tychem F" on it denoting the maker and type of disposable suit in use.

DuPont Link

This is bad news, I am living in a no-wash zone right next to a no-go zone. American AP please report.