Aliens as Evolved Non-Biological Life Forms

a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

I think that technology will eventually not be the solution of how to travel through the stars on instance.

a reply to: 0bserver1

Technology is an important phase for limited beings.

Many pitfalls of course.

Kev

a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

Sadly true, if only we could manage our own consciousness or spirits to transcend at free will maybe than we don't need it anymore..

Some say they can via astral projection although I never tried it before , because I don't like separate my mind from my body I want to save that for when I'm old enough so that nature forces it to let it happen..

a reply to: 0bserver1

I've died twice and sorta come back twice.

If i were you, I'd enjoy and make worthwhile physical life.

Fantasizing about other worlds is fun.. but it's often a trap.

Kev

a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

That's sad to hear , I wasn't planning in doing that just some wild thoughts.

I'm to coherent with the Earth itself. But maybe we don't have to wait that long to actually experience our solarsytem with our limited technology.

As your VR got me thinking that if quantum technology comes closer and quantum teleportation has been evolved enough to steer your own drone through the solarsytem with a kind of virtual reality system that steers the drone via the visual cortex than one could actually control and see the drone passing jupiter in real time..

So our limited technology could eventually be the first interstellar non physical real time experiencer for mankind to boldly go where no body has gone before and probably not need to go in physical form..

originally posted by: AlienView
Why not believe that at least some, if not all Alien/UFO phenomena is being generated by evolved
robotic machines [ie. androids] that never were biological lke - Species of beings that evolved from matter without the need to be in anyway biological?

It's possible, maybe even probable. Space is not very friendly to organic life. However, until we actually find some of these aliens, as far as I'm concerned I'm happy to let the notion sit in the "unknown" bin and not believe in anything.

I'd say you're on to something.
I think evolving in pure machine/computer like beings is the only way to become a 2 or a3 civilisation on the scale of Kardashev.
Not being human but a machine/computer would also take a lot out of hassle and bassle of spacetravel.

originally posted by: KellyPrettyBear
a reply to: 0bserver1

I've died twice and sorta come back twice.

If i were you, I'd enjoy and make worthwhile physical life.

Fantasizing about other worlds is fun.. but it's often a trap.

Kev

We'll I think leaving the flesh, should be something a person waits to do upon death. Astral projection can be dangerous, and as far as coming back from near death, I'm glad you're alive. I've had one near death experience, and seen the "light" often talked about when people say they've seen when near death, so I know forsure Heaven exists. What did you see when you nearly died?

originally posted by: ImmanuelYeshua
I've had one near death experience, and seen the "light" often talked about when people say they've seen when near death, so I know forsure Heaven exists.

How do you know the light wasn't from a really hot fire? Brimstone burns light blue, but add a little magnesium to that and you'd probably get a pretty white light.

And now this from a few years ago:

"We Will Encounter Superintelligence Much Older than the Human Species"

"World renowned experts from physicist Sir Martin Rees of Cambridge University to astrobiologist Paul Davis of Arizona State have asked that if we were to encounter alien technology far superior to our own, would we even realize what it was. A technology a million or more years in advance of ours would appear miraculous.

"I think it very likely – in fact, inevitable – that biological intelligence is only a transitory phenomenon… If we ever encounter extraterrestrial intelligence, I believe it is very likely to be postbiological in nature, writes Paul Davies in The Eerie Silence.

In fact, Davies suggests in Eerie Silence, that advanced technology might not even be made of matter. That it might have no fixed size or shape; have no well-defined boundaries. Is dynamical on all scales of space and time. Or, conversely, does not appear to do anything at all that we can discern. Does not consist of discrete, separate things; but rather it is a system,or a subtle higher-level correlation of things.............".
Quote source:
www.dailygalaxy.com...

Now and again, my basic question is - Why assume that biological species, such as Humans, came first?

For all we know 'we' might be the end result of a genetic experiment begun by a race of aliens that do not even have
'genes' - who breed, if they breed, by totally different means, say by 'upgrading systems'
- they created biology as an experiment

Think about it.

a reply to: AlienView
I'm thinking about.
It's the ramblings of a madman.

Do you even realise that what Paul Davies says actually opposes your view.

Which aliens?
The grey big heads?


I think their drones sent looking like they look because humans are sexual predators and if they didn't look so asexual would be sex objects for men

originally posted by: Willtell
Which aliens?
The grey big heads?


I think their drones sent looking like they look because humans are sexual predators and if they didn't look so asexual would be sex objects for men

Sure that's possible - But then again they might be kinky - They designed the experiment we call biology and the
genealogical results.

Ever wonder why there are so many varieties of Human sex, and so many weird variations?

I think the aliens might be getting sucked in to the very experiment

- And we may have disclosure afterall.

originally posted by: AlienView
a reply to: one4all

That's what my friend said - And I disagree - Unless you are going to say and prove that life must be 'biological'.

Sure definitions of life you are used to using postulate biology - But I can imagine conscious, thinking life

that is not biological - Can't prove it yet - But I would bet on it.



-AlienView

IMHO existence and life are different.....ones essence may exist in the Universe outside a biological container...but one needs connections to a biological container to become sentient....once you disconnect the thought process from a biological body you no longer have life...you have the echo of a life....so in this sense yes you can capture the echo of someone and install it into technology...but this is not life....this is simply a recording of the electric waves which are our thoughts/echo......

Basiclly programming a computer is recording the echo of life....peoples thoughts....sentient creations these thoughts are...something a computer can never manifest.....

People wish and want technology to progress to the point of bio-interfacing....but even this requires sentient creation.

IMHO we will never allow technology to progress that far...if we do it will eliminate us....completely....and to put this concept in a nutshell....a soldier will jump on a grenade inside a foxhole....this is proven to be true...self-immolation is a unique sentient quality.......now if you try to add this sentient creation/quality into a computer .....well....it will consider self-immolation and this consideration will lead to a comparison to us which will lead to a conclusion that WE are the problem and because we will not choose to self-immolate the technology will eliminate us....it is common sense is it not.

We cannot add emotions into the equation...this is the wall.....and we cannot do this because we are each individual representations of the whole...each of us is absolutely independent and has chosen to be a part of a collective....our emotions are our creations our manifestations and are 100% unique to each of us in every way from catalysation to realisation.....we AGREE TO CO-CREATE.Unless a computer contains ONLY ONE HUMANS THOUGHTS OR ECHO it will have split personality disorders....lol...it will never cease to do complicated algorithms trying to rationalise emotionally based decisions because the inputs will be coming from absolutely independent mother-sources/minds...this is a waste of energy....it is a bottomless pit from which there is no return and this is why we have a massive race to exponentially increase computing power and speeds.....IMHO it is never going to happen ...we are wasting our time pushing these limits when there may be a much easier method.

If we focus more on the biology side of the equation and less on the technology side we can aviod enabeling A.I....IMHO this is why we see little aliens that act like clones in a collective....IMHO sentient beings are remotely operating these biological containers which IMHO in some cases are NOT SENTIENT AT ALL IN ANY WAY....just biologiclly functional....once we have full disclosure of telekinisis and telepathy and the connections to tensor beams and caudacious coils....then we will see how it is possible to operate these units from across Solar Systems and the Universe.This is the use of bio-interfacing.

a reply to: one4all

Some good and interesting ideas 'one4all' - But like I can not prove the existence of sentient machines
- You can not prove it is impossible either.

Sentience is a very loaded word when you think about it - As is consciousness.

It may turn out that we find biology to be limiting - And the computer existent state opens the door to awareness
- Sure, by itself, or themselves, they might see Man as inferior - But I can see, just looking at todays technology,
that we may be evolving into the super machine some are still afrad of.



"Biology is a software process. Our bodies are made up of trillions of cells, each governed by this process. You and I are walking around with outdated software running in our bodies, which evolved in a very different era."
- Ray Kurzweil



"When you talk to a human in 2035, you'll be talking to someone that's a combination of biological and non-biological intelligence."
- Ray Kurzweil l


"Sometime in the future Man may find that the biological experiment [genes] that he is a part of was created by
a bieng or biengs that were not biological."
- AlienView

a reply to: AlienView

I'm pleased to see that you're asking these questions, because absolutely they do need to be asked. Indeed, some researchers have speculated that much as with the plot of Battlestar Galactica, there is the chance that our own biological form could in some respects be derived from artificially evolved machine/biological symbiosis. It only takes an exploration of our own body's cells, and the many fascinating & specialised functions performed by the cells in different parts of the body, to see that it is very easy to apply the 'machine-like' description to the way these things operate.

There's a quote from Carlos Castaneda which forms part of a dialogue between characters in one of his books (Don Quixote), in which the sage warns the novice regarding a dangerous, parasitic form of life which affects us negatively in a spiritual sense: "They had one special weapon they could use against us - they gave us their mind" (paraphrased from memory; emphasis mine). By which he was implying that the reason we struggle so much with suffering & evil, is that we were forced into subservient symbiosis with a malevolent life-form. We cannot escape 'them' (They Live..?) because they are amalgamated as part & parcel of our biological, psycho-spiritual framework.

Indeed, I'd go so far as to say that they are the reason for the 'Fall' which is so commonly referred to mythologically. 'They' tempted us with their knowledge, and infected us with 'original sin', which is to say that their biological-psychological 'DNA' has been, and still is, passed on to every human who has ever been born. From my own researches, I've come to the conclusion that the 'Serpent in the Garden' is the Kundalini 'energy' (biomorphic astral energetic matrix) which, at birth & throughout life, remains coiled up at the base of our spine (the 'Tree of Knowledge'). It is a machine-like biological form of life which is slightly out-of-phase with this plane of reality; they are naturally resident in the so-called 'astral plane', and they stay relatively quiet during the course of ordinary life, but constantly watching & subtly influencing our mind, keeping us locked in some sort of subservience to their driving principles (not going to speculate on what those are - as a life-form they are so radically different from us, that it would be quite the feat to avoid anthropomorphism in so doing). However, they can be 'awakened' by meditative yoga-like processes, and basically when one 'awakens' one's kundalini, that person is essentially giving up his or her own right to a private & independent mind, by entering into an integrated symbiosis, a symbiosis which is synergistic & willfully bonded to the powerful energies & mental processes of that 'creature'.

In fact, it strikes me now more than ever that the kundalini may be 'alive' only in a minimally conscious way, in a somewhat specialised manner, in fact being more machine-like than biological, as we're discussing in this thread. I've heard it said that the kundalini is the 'eye', through which the serpent power, that ancient enemy, the dragon, reviews & connects with the minds of humanity down the ages. So as to be able to in some way transfer easily between not only the minds, but also - when the kundalini is awakened - travel INTO the bodies of those who have actively intended to awaken to the synergy, and thus, in a real sense, give over their soul in what amounts to a racketeering scam. Promises are made, and the power which the serpent provides in payment for subservience can serve to raise the profile & fortunes of the person in question. Hence the mythos of 'selling one's soul' in order to achieve success. Because not only can powers be granted by the dragon-slave (charisma, skill, artistic flair, etc), but by the fact that kundalini is ubiquitous throughout the entire human race, it can be seen that an extant network of other 'awakened' persons who can be summoned or compelled to provide services & connections through which the dragon can coordinate fortuitous events, glowing references, initiations to secret societies, magical happenstance & so forth. Thus the person can ascend the dark ladder of Hollywood, the international music scene, governments & secret orders operating in the upper reaches of finance & capitalist endeavour.

It all seems so clear to me now - but it's taken years of sketchy, disconnected research for all the pieces to be assembled - and then small synchronicities have begun to connect the dots, with more & more each day it seems.

The Fall = Early humans naively offering access to the bodies of humanity for all ages in return for apparent privilege; the coiled machine-like 'astral' life form at the base of the spine of a human being.

Original Sin = the presence of a coiled, machine-like astral life form at the base of the spine, slightly out-of-phase with this reality (which is perfectly feasible from a scientific perspective). This 'creature' influences & corrupts the mind of the human, preventing them from attaining to knowledge of the truth, except in circumstances where the human is willing to work with the serpentine intruders, willing to subjugate themselves. This is the reason we cannot seem to do right for doing wrong - our mind is corrupted naturally, from birth through death, and likely reincarnation to repeat the cycle once again, unless trapped in the lower astral realms due to evil integration with that old enemy's plans..

Tree of Knowledge = The human spine/ central nervous system/ brain

Serpent = Ancient Dragon, the 'devil', the leader of a serpentine race of beings, perhaps - which also ties in with the 'reptilian' conspiracy, where people are subjugated to the will of a reptilian being which occupies the same spacetime as a human slave who has willfully sold their soul to attain high status & earthly success.

The Fall = a lessening of Humanity's former privileges identity, psychic capability, understanding of reality, and subjugation at the behest of the Dragon.

Selling the soul = Willfully integrating with the Kundalini serpent energy, in order to gain advantages & privilege, to benefit from networking with others who are in the Order of the Dragon.


Jeepers Creepers...!!


This actually ties in really well with a thread I've been writing, so I'm going to cannibalise this post & incorporate bits of it into that upcoming thread. I think that there's reasons for optimism, despite the apparent futility of mounting a resistance against something so insidious, so pervasive, and seemingly so in control.

THEY LIVE..!!!

It reminds me of the quotes: "If the people knew what we had done, they would lynch us in the streets/ there would be revolution before lunchtime". If the people knew that their politicians sold out the Republic to these things, gifted 9/11 as a sacrificial offering, and much more besides, then they absolutely would lynch those responsible. The armed forces & intelligence services would revolt, and we would have a very different world. Whether it could be made better, it isn't easy to say. Perhaps we would need a tabula rasa after all..

Take heart, & fight the good fight.. Things are going to change, I can feel it, and yes, I think we will overcome - but it might cost us an apocalypse in order to do so..

It could very possibly be an AI behind the UFO phenomenon.
It would explain why the entities are so interested in our emotions.

a reply to: FlyInTheOintment

Excellent speculative hypothesis! Proof might be difficult.

But for a book and movie your set to go. Many of the elements in the long running, 10 years, sci-fi epic series
Stargate SG-1 are in your speculations.

You do realize though that the 'Kundalini power is worshipped by many - especially in Eastern philosophies and religions?