Trump agrees to meet with North Korea's Kim Jong Un, South Korea says

originally posted by: dragonridr

originally posted by: howtonhawky
So where do you all think the best place is for them to meet?

China?

DMZ there is a conference room all ready there.They have the joint security area were past negotiations have occurred.

en.m.wikipedia.org...

This is what I'm thinking.

It's amazing how, talking a big game, while at the same time openly projecting that you're maybe JUST crazy enough to actually do it, will coax a stagnant situation into fruition. Trump played Kim hard.

I saw this coming a mile away, NK is at the breaking point.

Yes, they have nukes, but I do believe that the "collapsed mountain" that killed 200 or so people there, probably took out a few big minds in their nuke program. They may not have the money, nor the know how anymore to continue.

a reply to: xuenchen

i think they had an accident that devasted heir nuke r&d program and reactors and that is why they coming to table

originally posted by: proteus33
a reply to: xuenchen

i think they had an accident that devasted heir nuke r&d program and reactors and that is why they coming to table

" Accident " 😉

originally posted by: face23785

originally posted by: DJW001

originally posted by: face23785
I still think this is just part of NK's strategy of stalling for time until they finish their missile program. They know we were close to a pre-emptive strike. They're playing us.

Exactly. Trump is an idiot for meeting with Kim; it elevates Kim to the level of "world leader." The photographs of them together will make great propaganda. Then they will sit down and Kim will say: "We must demilitarize the entire peninsula. First, withdraw all American troops and we can talk." That ends that. They have done exactly this before, as Trump would know if he followed real news.

Ironically, Trump probably thinks this will play well domestically. Instead, the clear eyed will point out that he has met privately with Putin, talked face to face with Kim Jung Un, met with the disgraced right wing Prime Minister of Israel, praised Erdogan and Dutarte, but has yet to meet with Teresa May.

The other side of that coin is that when we're forced to take military action, nobody can say he didn't try every diplomatic avenue available to him first.

What military action?

Trump supporters i have to hand it to, you're an endless source of entertainment. I think trump was right all those years ago when he said if he ran for president it would be as republican.

originally posted by: face23785
I still think this is just part of NK's strategy of stalling for time until they finish their missile program. They know we were close to a pre-emptive strike. They're playing us.

Either they're playing us, or the decoded Q messages point towards A LOT of work behind the scenes and a possible new era of freedom for the Korean peninsula

Having been paying attention to this the following can be stated:

Make no mistake, this is not going to be simple. It will either be a success or a failure, and all of it will be on Trump’s shoulders. Meetings like this are done very carefully, and never done immediately, rather it is done very carefully and cautiously. The details will have to be discussed. The first detail will have to be where to meet, what country will host, and then the dates will have to be agreed on. Long before either leader goes to such meeting, the security around this will be very tight. As it will take several months to set up, the reality is that we should not expect to hear anything about any sort of travel until around May/June at the earliest, or more likely September/August or even October. This would give the 2 sides time to agree on the time, place and the nature of these talks.

Caution would be the key word when approaching this.

There are a lot of questions that we have no answers to, but can only speculate on. The biggest question that I have is why. Why is North Korea seeking a face to face meeting, without any others involved, without any other country to sit at the table, during these talks? What has prompted North Korea to reach out and seek such? It does seem odd about such, if we were to consider all of the rhetoric and propaganda that comes out of North Korea.

Who is preparing the President for this meeting? I can only guess, but I would say China is preparing Kim about Trump, but who is going to prepare Trump about Kim?
What is going to be put on the table in these talks? In the negotiations there is a give and take, Trump cannot just go in and place things on the table as he feels like it, this has to be carefully weighed and considered, and then the offer is made. Kim will be coming with his list and negotiating points.

If anything, this will be a defining moment for Trump. How it goes will be all on Trump, if it goes badly, he will have to own it, if it goes well he will claim such. We can only hope that he is as good of a negotiator as he claims to be.

a reply to: sdcigarpig

I'm not so sure, if it goes badly people will still say that Trump tried but kimi is a nutbag and was never going to seriously negotiate.

This is a very big thing. Historic even. No North Korean leader has ever met a serving US President.

I think it is good that the US is willing to negotiate with the DPRK. This could be one of the defining moments of Trump’s Presidency.

a reply to: hopenotfeariswhatweneed
If it does go badly, it will not just be Kim, but also Trump. I do not believe that this is just going to be a one on one meeting. South Korea and China both have a vested interest, and would want to have observers present as well, to know what all is going to be discussed.

So it will be a bit hard for there to be a spin, if there are witnesses present who will all say what they saw and what all was said in this meeting. In this kind of a meeting, words will make or break, will either lead to a warming of relations, and easing of tensions or make things worse. The best case example of such, one has to go back and look at what it took for the US to get a crew back from the Chinese and where it all came down to one word.

There will be press, as this is a photo op that neither side will want to pass up. Kim will use it to boot his public image, the Leader who got an American President to come and talk to him. The fact that Trump agreed and is planning to show up is pure gold to him. That is a win for him. Now if Trump can get concessions from Kim, that would be a win for him.

Personally the biggest win, would be an official end to the Korean conflict, a signed peace treaty, to end that conflict. That would be the biggest win for all involved, and especially Trump. Think about it, that would be political gold for him, the man who ended the Korean conflict with a peace treaty.

I think it's great, I also thought it was great that Obama tried to make nice w Iran and Cuba. I think we should make nice w Russia and tell Saudi Arabia to GTH!!

a reply to: sdcigarpig

I would certainly be impressed if Trump could achieve peace in Korea, I'm skeptical however as our world runs on war.

a reply to: sdcigarpig

If it does go badly, it will not just be Kim, but also Trump. I do not believe that this is just going to be a one on one meeting. South Korea and China both have a vested interest, and would want to have observers present as well, to know what all is going to be discussed.

What South Korea, China, and Japan want is irrelevant. The Great Leader will meet in secret so can talk freely.

So it will be a bit hard for there to be a spin, if there are witnesses present who will all say what they saw and what all was said in this meeting. In this kind of a meeting, words will make or break, will either lead to a warming of relations, and easing of tensions or make things worse. The best case example of such, one has to go back and look at what it took for the US to get a crew back from the Chinese and where it all came down to one word.

This is why they will not be invited.

There will be press, as this is a photo op that neither side will want to pass up. Kim will use it to boot his public image, the Leader who got an American President to come and talk to him. The fact that Trump agreed and is planning to show up is pure gold to him. That is a win for him. Now if Trump can get concessions from Kim, that would be a win for .

Exactly. It is all bout elevating Kim from a regional nuisance to a Global Leader. For decades the DPRK has been playing this game. They promise to stop developing weapons in exchange for concessions, then once the concessions are made, they resume their weapons development. They have agreed to stop testing missiles and nuclear bombs because they have used up all the ones they can afford. Once the sanctions are eased, they will start channeling funds back into producing them.

Trump is wrong: the media will certainly give him full credit for this.

originally posted by: dragonridr

originally posted by: howtonhawky
So where do you all think the best place is for them to meet?

China?

DMZ there is a conference room all ready there.They have the joint security area were past negotiations have occurred.

en.m.wikipedia.org...

That does not sound like a move that a wise leader would go for.

I do not think that we have the correct protections in place with s.korea for that.

Actually that would be a dumb move.

a reply to: DJW001

While Kim can meet in secret all he wants, however do you think he is that stupid to turn on the one country that has been there to back up North Korea time and time again, supporting it, even blocking UN resolutions time and time again?

The Korean conflict never ended, it was only paused by an armistice. China and South Korea, both have a vested interest in such talks. Any peace treaty that could be established would also require both of those countries signatures on it, or at least their knowledge of any and all talks, including details of what was said and promised.
And any country that hosts these talks, would be involved, including for the security of the delegates and have to be willing to take a risk. Peace is on one side, the other is the ending of the armistice and a return to hostilities and war. Pyongyang is out of the question, nor is it good to have such talks on the DMZ. Too much of a risk to a sitting president. The USA is out of the question, because anything that happens to a member of the North Korean delegation, would result in the USA being blamed for such, and giving North Korea a reason to restart hostilities, and or breaking the armistice.

Thus it would be in the US interest to hold the talks in China, that way if something like that were to happen, China would get the blame, leaving the USA innocent in the matter. And that country would have to take the blame for such. Thus it would be in the US interest to hold the talks in China, that way if something like that were to happen, China would get the blame, leaving the USA innocent in the matter. While these talks are important, one does not want them in a western country, rather it would be better to have them in an eastern country,

I never mentioned Japan, for good reason, as there is still many hard feelings about Japan from many countries in that part of the world over World War II, and the crimes that Japan committed during its conquest. So they would not be involved in the initial talks, maybe later on, as they do have an interest in that part of the world, due to its proximity to Korea.

I brought up the point on China to show where words have real consequences, and how one word can make all of the difference. There is a very large difference between English and many of the Asiatic nations languages. Syntax, grammar, even context are often done in very specific ways.

a reply to: sdcigarpig

There is no need to invite any other party to the talks, as no talks will take place. There will be a photo op that Kim can use to his advantage, then he will demand the complete withdrawal of American forces as a precondition and the "talks" will be over. Hopefully the few remaining professionals at State will get the two grownups in the White House to talk Trump out of this lunacy. "First" is not always "best."

a reply to: xuenchen
a reply to: DJW001

Now what will the Dems crow about? They said Trump would provoke N Korea to a World War 3 scenario. Now, it seems Trump is creating peace in the region and meeting with N Korea. Trump is blazing a trail to MAGA!

originally posted by: Ohanka
This is a very big thing. Historic even. No North Korean leader has ever met a serving US President.

I think it is good that the US is willing to negotiate with the DPRK. This could be one of the defining moments of Trump’s Presidency.

Trump is not going to pay billions USDollars for peace like Obama did with N Korea either. It will be a step toward unity between the Koreas, something no previous president has done.

My hope is once the meeting is over, (slowly but surely) the suffering N Koreans will have their horrific lives reversed and can join 2018 with the rest of the world.

Then again..... Maybe they'd regret it. I mean , look at the state of the world. It's hideous. Maybe in a small way, I envy the N Koreans who have no clue (aside from the no food, hard labor camps, and the obvious bull#)...... If our eyes were opened to a suddenly whole outside world we never heard of or maybe got tiny bits and pieces of info, and instead of something great it was horrific, all my hope would just end.

I hope I make sense.

Maybe the best for N. Koreans would BE to have abundant food, no more dictatorship, no work camps, no fear of being original, but remain "outside" the rest of the world.

a reply to: DJW001

I do not think you are correct in your assessment of this at all, and here is why.

First the offer is made, this is going to work in Kim's advantage on more than one level. If the President agrees, which he did, then it is a win for Kim in the eyes of his people and the foreign relations of North Korea, that they are wanting peace and are offering the olive branch. Makes them look good, and puts greater scrutiny on the USA with both those countries who are the allies of the country and those that do not like the USA.

If Trump does go, then Kim will have his photo op. Trump can tout this as a win. There won't be any negotiations at this time, but a promise of future talks. Negotiations never happen in the first meeting, more like the 2nd and third meetings. And both sides will make very large demands, that the other will reject and it will go back and forth, until a happy medium will be met, all sides claim a win.

If Trump does not go, after saying he would, that is also a win for Kim, both domestically and internationally. Domestically, he can point out that the US is afraid to come and meet with him, that the US is weak and cowardly, like a small dog, all bark no bite. That the US is too engaged elsewhere to do anything and that the US is going to make others do its dirty work. On the international side, all he has to do is play the wounded and hurt animal, how the USA is being a bully and an aggressor, interfering in the region, and the possible peace between it and South Korea, that it wants to end the Korean conflict and open up negotiations with the South, but the USA is only promoting war and violence against both countries. And in the views of the world, that is exactly what it would look like, thus hitting the US image hard and making some of the allies and countries that are on the fence about the USA waiver and start to step away.

Trump stepped into this when he agreed to go to meet with North Korea. And the only way out would be to go and meet at a neutral location, meeting and then having simple talks, while in the back ground having more detailed talks between diplomats.

China should be invited as well as South Korea, both of those countries are heavily involved with North Korea. Any agreement that is made between the US and North Korea, would need to have the approval of at least those 2 countries. China is going to look after its own interest, as would South Korea. Neither wants to get the raw end of the deal. And all 4 countries seem to dance around the 38th parallel in Korea. And for there to be any real peace treaty, all 4 would have to agree, not just North Korea and the USA.