Special counsel wants documents on Trump, numerous campaign associates

a reply to: Sillyolme

Did you see this news?

Mueller Probe Hears Witness to Prince-Dmitriev Meeting
www.msn.com...

a reply to: soberbacchus

I did.
These people do a lot of business in bars I guess it's usually noisy and goes under the cover of casual socializing.
Muellers concern is that that meeting in Jan 2017 was what sparked the rumors of back channels communications with Russia. His reach for information extended to the middle of the indian ocean half a world away. Nadar is cooperating but he didn't get much choice since they got him as he deplaned at Dulles. His ultimate destination was supposed to be Maralago to join trump ( pass on direct message from our real president Vladimir Putin) in celebrating his one year anniversary. Trump missed the party because of the government shutdown. Obviously Nadar did too. The WH didn't announce Nadars expected arrival but the airline noting he was a dignitary contacted authorities . Mueller somehow knew he was coming and formed his own little welcome wagon detaining and questioning him for two hours and confiscating his electronics( plural). He has since been questioned by the grand jury.
A report about the meeting in Seychelles. theintercept.com...

There's another story on the horizon about Michael Cohen discussing the U.S. helping improve Russia Ukraine relations in a secret meeting during the transition period to discuss an eventual lifting of economic sanctions against Russia.
www.washingtonpost.com... be05-1a3817ac21a5_story.html?utm_term=.c56ed42784ab
Then there's one more story waiting in the wings where Carl Icahqn somehow saw the future and sold off a bunch of steel stocks the week before trump made his tariff announcement. The question being asked is whether he may have gotten advanced notice from his very good friend Donald trump which would be insider trading. But the salacious porn star news story is dominating right now.
Icahn story
thinkprogress.org...
It's the scandal of the hour these days.

a reply to: face23785

Yeah but he made sure to temper it with. "But The vote wasn't affected" and including the disclaimer of " and other countries and others."( That four hundred pound unfortunate again I guess) thereby spreading the blame away from his boyfriend.
Love your selective editing Face...

a reply to: face23785

Not telling anyone to do anything. Testimony last week confirmed no order to do anything has come from trump. And 120 million dollars allotted by congress to battle the problem remains untouched. Zero dollars not a red hot cent was been spent. That's what way he has not taken it seriously.

originally posted by: soberbacchus

originally posted by: face23785

originally posted by: soberbacchus

originally posted by: network dude
over year into the investigation and just now, they are interested in Trump's Campaign Finance?

Mueller has had a team of White Collar Crime experts mapping Trump and Teams finances since the beginning.

I heard this a few times when Mueller first started, and then it wasn't really mentioned again until it became obvious they weren't turning up squat on the Trump-Russia-collusion front.

What makes you think they haven't turned up anything?

The fact that we haven't heard a peep about it. Maybe they do, but as excited as they'd be to find it I doubt it would be kept from the media very long.

originally posted by: Sillyolme
a reply to: face23785

Yeah but he made sure to temper it with. "But The vote wasn't affected" and including the disclaimer of " and other countries and others."( That four hundred pound unfortunate again I guess) thereby spreading the blame away from his boyfriend.
Love your selective editing Face...

So he tempered it with accurate statements?

originally posted by: Sillyolme
a reply to: face23785

Not telling anyone to do anything. Testimony last week confirmed no order to do anything has come from trump. And 120 million dollars allotted by congress to battle the problem remains untouched. Zero dollars not a red hot cent was been spent. That's what way he has not taken it seriously.

You're misrepresenting that, of course. Congress asked Mike Rodgers if he'd been directed to take a specific action, to which he replied no. That doesn't mean they're not doing anything. He made it quite clear that there are ongoing efforts to counter the Russian attempts. If you're not familiar with how the agencies work, the President doesn't have to personally approve everything they do. They have statutory authority to take action in accordance with already existing directives. Mike Rodgers further testified he hadn't asked Trump for any additional authority, but would if he needed it. The idea that somehow he's being held back because Trump won't let him do anything is just false.

The intelligence community has been working with election officials to shore up security. It's not that nothing is being done. Keep in mind, the US has been behind on cyber for a long time. It's not something you can throw billions of dollars at and fix overnight. In fact our cyber capabilities have been neglected for so long it's been estimated it would take us 5 to 10 years to catch up. Here's a good read for you. This is not a new problem. Russia didn't suddenly become a cyber threat when Trump got elected. Neither Bush nor Obama paid enough attention to cyber and that's coming back to haunt us, big league.

a reply to: Sillyolme

Don't forget the Russian Oligarch that Manafort owed money to and promised private briefing's on the campaign progress.

His longtime "escort" is in jail in Thailand and says she has tapes of a meeting between Deripaska and Americans discussing Russian efforts to help the Trump Campaign.

It would seem outrageous if she hadn't already posted a video of her on a yacht with Deripaska and the Russian Deputy Prime Minister while they talked Russian American relations.

a reply to: soberbacchus

Oh yeah. "How can we use this to get whole with OVD?"
The key to that is the go between Konstintine Kilimnik and e mail exchanges between him and Manafort that discuss whether Deripaska was seeing his relationship to trump. . And Alexey Navalny who claims Deripaska fed trump info from the Kremlin.

But you know...there's no connection between trump and Russia. Lol.

That young lady is good as dead unless Mueller maybe pays to get her out and brings her here.
Could he do that?

a reply to: face23785

Mueller doesn't leak. The ones who leak only know their own story. When we look at those reports we get peaks into what he's doing.
But you're right there are no reports saying Mueller has him on anything .
There are reports of secret meetings with Russians all over the globe...in Russia, in the middle of the indian ocean and in the heart of New York city, in Florida. These reports when viewed together weave a bigger picture. It doesn't even require clues from letters of the alphabet or secret decoder rings or anything.

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He tempered it because he cannot outrightly condemn Russia in any way.

a reply to: face23785

I didn't say they weren't doing anything.
Your question was "in what what isn't trump taking it seriously". That's what I answered. The CIA and Homeland security are doing their part but the state department is supposed to be using that money to confront Russia on the diplomatic front. Maybe go to the security counsel of the United nations. Meet with other nations to discuss strengthening and expanding the Magnitski act. Get them to work together to tell Russia were not going tolerate this attack on our country. Or on any other nation. Trump could make a phone call that doesn't end with a pissed off leader and ask advice or ask for an alliance in combating their efforts since their target seems to be democracy the world over. There are people he can ask help from. He can say he will protect the votes of every American.

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As for cyber attacks in previous administrations in Bush's time the word cyber was pretty much limited to silicon valley types. E mail was still a fairly new business staple and A.O.L. still happily announced YOU HAVE MAIL when ever you got on the Internet. Most folks turned on a CPU and clicked on the internet explorer icon on their Windows desktop and that was it. Technology was further along by the time Obama was facing the issue but the depth of the assault wasn't fully known and he risked making it look like he was trying to effect the election by saying too much about it. I agree he could have and should have done more.

originally posted by: Sillyolme
a reply to: soberbacchus

That young lady is good as dead unless Mueller maybe pays to get her out and brings her here.
Could he do that?

The law doesn't give the US Embassy any route to afford her Sanctuary as she is neither on US soil nor a US citizen.

They would have to have the CIA or State Department lean on the Thai justice system to get creative. Maybe release her with a plane ticket and escort to a safe house in a neutral country?

But yes, you are 100% correct, she is dead on the streets the moment she leaves the prison let alone being returned to Russia.

But realistically, they arrested her on nonsense charges to begin with, so it was very likely at the direction and paid for by Oleg and Friends and they asked the Thai police to put her on a plane to Russia for them.

If the CIA or similar can scuttle those plans and apply greater pressure to the Thai police? We'll see. Either way, the Russians could have her killed in jail in Thailand if they think they wont get her back.

I honestly feel for the woman. She is very much at risk of very bad things happening to her.

originally posted by: Sillyolme
a reply to: face23785

Mueller doesn't leak. The ones who leak only know their own story. When we look at those reports we get peaks into what he's doing.
But you're right there are no reports saying Mueller has him on anything .
There are reports of secret meetings with Russians all over the globe...in Russia, in the middle of the indian ocean and in the heart of New York city, in Florida. These reports when viewed together weave a bigger picture. It doesn't even require clues from letters of the alphabet or secret decoder rings or anything.

The big picture is now so devastating that it takes a real piece of work to still maintain that Trump isn't wholly owned by Russia.

The Q-crowd is just the type to take-up that challenge, and believe that the person who led this nation honorably, doing his best to protect American interests, Obama, is the one we all need to hate and want to see jailed. Oh, and Clinton is a murderer.

They will ignore the growing mountain of evidence that Trump is wholly owned by a man that gleefully kills witnesses, protestors and journalists.

Why? Because Trump and Putin hate democrats, so they can't be bad. That's about as deep as the analysis goes. So long as they continue to hate democrats, they will cover everything Trump does as no big deal, bunch of nothing-burgers.

But, if he stops hating Dems, that would be unforgiveable.

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It's moving very fast now. People talking everywhere to the Times, to The Atlantic, to the Washington Post.
One says trump told Mcghan to push back on the story that he tried to fire Mueller. He called him into the oval office where he was met by John Kelly. . Trump asked him to state publicly that he didn't try to fire Mueller. Basically trump invited Kelly to be a witness after the fact or something. Mcghan told him sir I can't say that because you asked me to tell Rod J. Rosenstein to fire Robert Mueller because he has too many conflicts of interest and I told you I couldn't do that and would resign if you insisted. (That's paraphrased but close)
And trump looked at him and said I don't remember it that way.
And there's yet another story saying that trump has been questioning people in the Whitehouse who have been interviewed by Mueller. Asking them what he said and what they said.

originally posted by: Sillyolme
a reply to: face23785

I didn't say they weren't doing anything.
Your question was "in what what isn't trump taking it seriously". That's what I answered. The CIA and Homeland security are doing their part but the state department is supposed to be using that money to confront Russia on the diplomatic front. Maybe go to the security counsel of the United nations. Meet with other nations to discuss strengthening and expanding the Magnitski act. Get them to work together to tell Russia were not going tolerate this attack on our country. Or on any other nation. Trump could make a phone call that doesn't end with a pissed off leader and ask advice or ask for an alliance in combating their efforts since their target seems to be democracy the world over. There are people he can ask help from. He can say he will protect the votes of every American.

So you think Trump should personally be engaging in counter-intelligence operations instead of letting the experts do what they do best? Rogers said if he needed additional authority he'd ask for it. Bottom line, Russia is being countered, and what more can be done is being investigated. In a few years you can tell me the Trump administration didn't do enough on cyber. Right now there's no signs that it's begin neglected.

originally posted by: Sillyolme
a reply to: face23785

As for cyber attacks in previous administrations in Bush's time the word cyber was pretty much limited to silicon valley types. E mail was still a fairly new business staple and A.O.L. still happily announced YOU HAVE MAIL when ever you got on the Internet. Most folks turned on a CPU and clicked on the internet explorer icon on their Windows desktop and that was it. Technology was further along by the time Obama was facing the issue but the depth of the assault wasn't fully known and he risked making it look like he was trying to effect the election by saying too much about it. I agree he could have and should have done more.

You're out of your element here. It may have been a new concept to home users, but it certainly wasn't to big businesses and definitely was not to the government. When I joined the Air Force in January 2004, cyber security and cyber attacks were already a big deal. It was a well known threat and there was more to it than your email and what you clicked on in a web browser. You had to take training on it just to get access to unclassified computer systems. The Air Force's mission statement when I joined was to "Fly, fight, and win in air, space, and cyberspace." And we used email extensively, for just about everything. In January 2004. The nature of that threat was understood by the government at the latest in early 2004, by my own personal experience, and there's other users here who could back me up on that. And I doubt they just discovered it right before I enlisted. It's absolutely no excuse for the Bush administration and it's even less of an excuse for the Obama administration.

As for the election excuse - which is nonsense, national security isn't suspended in election years - even if you give Obama the excuse that it was okay to just ignore a national security threat because there was an election coming up, that was only valid in the latter half of 2016. What the # happened the other 7 years of his administration? Both Bush and Obama failed to do enough on cyber security, and this administration is having to pick up the pieces. We'll see how they do. Maybe they won't do enough either, but there's no signs they're neglecting it at this point besides cherry-picked sound bites from Mike Rogers played out of context on left-wing media to fool people like you into thinking Trump is sitting back and letting Russia influence the midterms.

a reply to: face23785

I don't expect him to do anything . I won't be disappointed in my hat regard.
But as leader he really should get out in front of it.
Oh well. We won t be dealing with that monstrosity too much longer.

originally posted by: Sillyolme
a reply to: face23785

I don't expect him to do anything . I won't be disappointed in my hat regard.
But as leader he really should get out in front of it.
Oh well. We won t be dealing with that monstrosity too much longer.

There's different styles of leadership. One is to micromanage everything and get down in the weeds of things you don't truly understand, and the other is to mostly stay out of the way and only step in when you see a need or when your intervention is requested by the experts. Trump is the latter kind of leader. That strategy has been very effective with the war on ISIS. Military commanders have praised him for untying their hands and not getting too deep into their business, and why should he? He's not a military expert. He's still the Commander in Chief, and he should maintain oversight over what they do and pull back on the reigns if they stray off objective. He appears to be taking the same approach with intelligence. And why shouldn't he? He's not an intelligence or counter-intel expert. I would bet the majority of the intel community would prefer his leadership style over a micromanagement type from someone who doesn't truly understand their realm. I can tell you for certain the Air Force preferred that.

ETA: And why won't we be dealing with it much longer? You don't still seriously think he's getting impeached do you?

a reply to: face23785

ive been in the business field in many capacities since the eighties. I worked for customs in JFK, I did accounting for a customs broker and freight forwarder, I ran a business office in a furniture store and my own decorating business at the same time and I eventually bought and ran my own store, Im pretty aware of the evolution of the computer in the work place, thanks dear.

originally posted by: Sillyolme
a reply to: face23785

ive been in the business field in many capacities since the eighties. I worked for customs in JFK, I did accounting for a customs broker and freight forwarder, I ran a business office in a furniture store and my own decorating business at the same time and I eventually bought and ran my own store, Im pretty aware of the evolution of the computer in the work place, thanks dear.

And you guys seriously didn't take cyber security seriously in the early 2000s?

Bottom line, the government did.