The Swamp Has Won

originally posted by: Dfairlite
a reply to: TheLotLizard

There is no swamp there never was.

Who the hell do you think the swamp is???????????????????????????????????????????????????

Tell me this... do you even know?

a reply to: TheLotLizard

... you need to take your meds. First you say there is no swamp, now you're insisting there is and asking if I know who the swamp is.

originally posted by: Dfairlite
a reply to: TheLotLizard

... you need to take your meds. First you say there is no swamp, now you're insisting there is and asking if I know who the swamp is.

I...will....rephrase....my......question....so.....you.....may.....understand

IF your supposed swamp exists that you’re obviously claiming does indeed exist. Do YOU even understand who they are talking about? I doubt you even do nor know the origins of the term. Or are you just jumping blindly into the bandwagon?

a reply to: TheLotLizard

I understand your question. You don't seem to understand your crazy contradictory statements, though.

Are you really arguing that the swamp =/= deep state =/= shadow gov?

a reply to: Dfairlite

Did i even imply what the swamp is? No

Answer the question already.

a reply to: TheLotLizard

You said that the swamp didn't exist, now you're insisting it not only exists, but you're insisting you know who it is (all of them?). I indirectly answered your question in my previous post. To get any clearer than that I'll have to have you admit that we agree on what the swamp is (again defined in my previous post).

If the justice system was working properly there would not be the corruption and confusion there is. The legal system is about conflict resolution with thousands of years of precedent and history behind it.

As for how the US justice system has managed national security, systemic fraud, institutionalized abuse and a growing technological complexity against the individual has been with might has right. The courts are already under too much strain dealing with daily life. The prospect of them investigating themselves is not a realistic proposition for any meaningful change. I am sure there is some in the system with ideas for a better way.

We do not need a Judge Dredd with a judge, jury and executioner all in one. This is already part of the problem with some cowboys and girls thinking that they are.

We do need checks and balances as everyone does make mistakes. Cutting through the lies and deception can be really tough at times. It does take a lot of work, effort and skill to dig through it. Finding the few important facts after sifting through a mass of information needs to be done much faster, fairer and cheaper than is what is currently done.

The swamp draining pumps do need an upgrade to get a culture of integrity back on track.

originally posted by: Dfairlite
a reply to: TheLotLizard

You implied that the swamp didn't exist, now you're insisting it not only exists, but you're insisting you know who it is (all of them?). I indirectly answered your question in my previous post. To get any clearer than that I'll have to have you admit that we agree on what the swamp is (again defined in my previous post).

When did I say it existed. I only ask what it is you think they are implying exists.

You’re confusing my post where I said “If they want YOUR swamp drained they will do it” which means IFthere was a “swamp” TPTB would drain it, not the president.

But you keep on chasing fairy tales thinking I’m saying it exists when I’m only asking what your interpretation of what the hell it is in the first place, in which you won’t even give me an answer.

a reply to: TheLotLizard

Right here: www.abovetopsecret.com...

Really dude? What I’ve been hinting at the entire time is that a shadow government runs things. SMFH and you still haven’t caught on...

originally posted by: Dfairlite
a reply to: TheLotLizard

Right here: www.abovetopsecret.com...

Really dude? What I’ve been hinting at the entire time is that a shadow government runs things. SMFH and you still haven’t caught on...

In what part of that quote does it conclude I said the mythical “swamp” is real?

a reply to: TheLotLizard

I've already been through this.... www.abovetopsecret.com...

Are you really arguing that the swamp =/= deep state =/= shadow gov?

a reply to: Dfairlite

So that means no. You don’t know what the swamp even means.

Goodbye.

a reply to: TheLotLizard

So you are arguing that they're not the same thing? Interesting. I do enjoy how you play that off as my weakness, rather than acknowledging we were coming at the same thing from different angles.
Step 1) deny the swamp exists
step 2) claim the shadow government exists
step 3) deny you claimed the swamp didn't exist
step 4) get proven wrong
step 5) deny you claimed the swamp did exist
step 6) get proven wrong
step 7) demand someone else define the swamp for you
step 8) reject their definition with no alternative
step 9) declare victory

originally posted by: Dfairlite
a reply to: TheLotLizard

So you are arguing that they're not the same thing? Interesting. I do enjoy how you play that off as my weakness.
Step 1) deny the swamp exists
step 2) claim the shadow government exists
step 3) demand someone else define it for you
step 4) reject their definition with no alternative
step 5) declare victory

Fine I’ll take your bait. Drain the swamp means to reduce government spending by removing wasteful people, practices, and spending. That is what it meant in the coining of the term from inception inter early 20th century up to Reagan in the 80s up until Trump adopted the slogan.
There you go.

a reply to: Dfairlite

Drain the swamp definition

The first person to apply the term to politics was a Democrat. "Socialists are not satisfied with killing a few of the mosquitoes which come from the capitalist swamp," Winfield E. Gaylord wrote in 1903. "They want to drain the swamp." Trump likely drew his inspiration for the phrase from President Ronald Reagan. In 1980, Reagan called to "drain the swamp" of bureaucracy in Washington, and created the Grace Commission, which identified $424 billion of wasteful government spending that could be cut. The commission's report overestimated potential savings and categorized necessary spending as "wasteful," so Congress didn't act on its recommendations.

a reply to: TheLotLizard

Yes, I can use the google's too, but if you just read a hair into it, you'll find that the swamp and the deep state/shadow govt are basically the same. You could claim some nuance (the swamp being the public face of the deep state) but when you cut to the core of the swamp you get the same actors as the deep state.

a reply to: TheLotLizard

I do see the swamp as those behind the JFK assassination, 9/11, The Bush family and Haliburton. The drug trade, foreign wars, human trafficking, child abuse, slavery. Trillions in unaccounted money, blackmail, bribery, assassinations, kick backs and political favors.

When this is how our government and business leadership play, what example does it set? Where is it taking our culture? The satanic world of fake news, confusion and corruption so they can continue their evil ways will not hide them forever. Actions speak louder than words.

a reply to: kwakakev

Here is the first time Trump brought up the swamp:

We will drain the swamp in Washington DC [applause] and replace it with a new government - of, by, and for the People.

It was in gettysburg on October 22nd, 2016. LINK

ETA: This is incorrect, trump originally said it on october 15th, and he used in the traditional sense. On october 22nd is when he pivoted to the new meaning.

originally posted by: Dfairlite
a reply to: xuenchen

I'm not sure how the strategy of running patriots out of the DOJ is going to work out but it seems pretty piss poor to me.

what patriots ?

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