They Don't Hate The NRA. They Hate You.

a reply to: ketsuko

Disagreement isn't about hating.

originally posted by: fencesitter85
Christ.

Hundreds of millions of people, and still you insist on dividing them into "us" and "leftists".

When will you understand that you're merely perpetuating the tribal divide expected of you by TPTB? It's a distraction tactic and you continue to fall for it hook line and sinker.

Meanwhile politicians continue to rule the world and dictate your very existence, and you gobble it up gleefully and point fingers at anyone not wearing a Chinese-made MAGA hat.

Tragic.

That's the way they want to play it.

Fine, bring it on!

2 can play that game.

Give up!

originally posted by: Vroomfondel

originally posted by: sdcigarpig
a reply to: ketsuko
If the problem is the legislation, then how can they use such as an example, such as the city of Chicago?

Is there a problem? Yes.

Could they do something to stop and solve this problem? Yes

Would there be opposition? Yes.

The real problem is not the legislation, it is the politicians who vote where the money comes from and people like Tom Cotton. Every major donor to him, he has voted how they wanted, no matter what. And when it comes out how many millions they dropped into his campaign, it is not too hard to see where his interest lay, and it is not in the people of his district, but in that of his political donors. A majority of the votes or controversies that the man has made, if one looks at the donors, can show up, including a few news making items as well.

Answer me this, do you think that the republicans would vote any different if the NRA did not put the hundreds of millions into their political campaigns? Don't you think that such large amounts of money has some sway in the mind of those politicians, to where they will not even consider ideas that may be part of the solution? Any time they even try to offer up such, the NRA pitches a fit, speaks ill of such, all out of fear, and it ends up not getting passed.

Its not about the NRA buying republicans any more than its Planned Parenthood buying democrats. See which one spends more...

The problem is that legislation has proven time and time again that it is not going to solve this problem. If legislation worked Chicago wouldn't have the problem it has now. But legislation doesn't work. Legislation does not change the behavior of criminals. It only gives you a way to prosecute them after the fact. What good is that if you want to save lives? But all democrats ever want to do is take the guns away from law abiding citizens and they do it by promising their constituents that it will solve the problem. When it fails, like it always does, they come back saying they need more legislation.

The fact that we, The People, stand against them does not mean we have been bought and paid for by the NRA. It means we are tired of being lied to and having our Constitutional rights sacrificed at the altar or democrat bullsh1t. Democrats try to tell us they aren't coming after our guns. It wasn't long ago that they said that. Now look what is happening. They want to ban assault rifles. That will be a good trick. How do you ban an assault rifle in 2018 when it was banned back in 1968? When they say assault rifles they mean things that look like assault rifles. And they try to tell us thats all they want. Not ONE of us believes that. And for good reason. Today its assault rifles. Then its bump stocks and magazines. Then its ammunition and semi auto rifles. Then its semi auto handguns and shotguns. Then its revolvers. It never ends. It can't. Liberal extremism won't let it end. Every time their legislation fails to achieve its goal and fulfill their promises to their constituents they have to come back chasing after more expansive legislation.

And all the while they complain that republicans will not compromise or even have a productive discussion about gun control. Its hard to compromise and be productive with people who keep calling you a nazi segregationist racist bigot hater every time they talk to you or about you. "Hey you nazi white supremacist racist scum bag, lets have an honest productive talk about gun control..." What a bunch of crap.

And let's import more 3rd world hicks with different ideals.

Where they cut your head off for 3 fitty and never seen a flush toilet.

a reply to: ketsuko


Forgive me but I see them as so constitutionally and historically void as to be a danger to our cultural and political national health.

originally posted by: AMPTAH

Keep the voices alive, silence the guns.

The guns are silencing too many voices.

Don't you get it?

None of the dead can be heard anymore.

What does that say for all the millions of people buried in mass graves by the socialist barbarians of Europe, Asia and Russia in the last century? Obviously, they can't be heard anymore. They never even existed if you ask a liberal.

a reply to: BrianFlanders

That was like 70 yrs ago dude.

Long gone.

It's about the USA now and gun culture wanting to do the same.

originally posted by: burgerbuddy
a reply to: BrianFlanders

That was like 70 yrs ago dude.

Long gone.

My dad is 76. I just talked to him 5 minutes ago. 5,000 years is a long time. 70 years is nothing. The human race has not changed one bit. The mob mentality is still alive and well. And will always be. That's your precious democracy. It's nothing but might makes right.

But yeah. Like I said. If you ask a liberal, those people never existed. Out of sight, out of mind. Can you name one of the everyday people that people like Stalin murdered? Not the famous ones. Just the ordinary people who never did anything to anybody. Oh, that was ages ago! I guess that means it doesn't matter?

How many people here know why the NRA was formed.

And what groups became NRA chapters.

www.breitbart.com...

The democrats first started trying to take guns from the american people back in 1870s when they tried to taken away guns from freed slaves.

originally posted by: Logarock
a reply to: ketsuko


Forgive me but I see them as so constitutionally and historically void as to be a danger to our cultural and political national health.

I do too, but some can be educated and learn the truth. Many will grow out of it. That's why the elders always seem to be deplorable in the eyes of the young. The elders will never go away and they will always spring from the young.

So I can't hate them, not until they really come after me with serious intent. Even then, I may have to defend myself with deadly force weeping all the while because they really are us in the end and that's a tragedy.

originally posted by: ANNED
How many people here know why the NRA was formed.

And what groups became NRA chapters.

www.breitbart.com...

The democrats first started trying to take guns from the american people back in 1870s when they tried to taken away guns from freed slaves.

There are a lot of things about history that aren't taught anymore. That's just one of them, and if they are taught, some kind of fiction is told soon after to explain away the preferred modern narrative.

a reply to: DBCowboy>>>> All I know is, take a good look at whats happening and try to connect the dots. One, we have our government( not Trump, I mean the deep state) that's been trying to push us into a new cold war with Russia. Squabbling over Syria which didn't work. Then with the absurd charges of election tampering. Hello. Do you think for once second that if elections could be hacked, They (The deep state) wouldn't have done it already and THEY wouldn't be the ones doing it? Its BEEN done, Bush in 2000, Obama in 2008 and 2012, now in 2016. I say Hillary DID win the vote but they did some numbers adjusting and gave it to Trump. Why? Maybe they secretly despise Hillary or feel she's too unstable to trust, too vulnerable to scandal or maybe its the Illuminati misogyny which they're infamous for. But at any rate, the Russians weren't involved but were fine with taking the blame if that's part of the game plan. They couldn't be charged. And if Trump gets removed due to bogus charges, that weakens the Presidency and throws the country into chaos. George Soros makes his money doing that sort of thing. But then we have the boogey man of election tampering and social media being turned against free elections through trolling and bots and fake news. Yeah, now we're too stupid to think for ourselves and we'll believe any rumor that gets thrown out there. The most damaging rumors being the ones that ARE TRUE, but now they'll clamp down on that and have neo fascist goons like the SPLC to decide what is and isn't true and what's hate speech. Meanwhile the MSM can churn out fake news and propaganda and never be challenged. Finally we have GUN CONTROL. We can't be allowed to own guns, they're too dangerous. These events always seem aimed at that end result. But that always backfires and prompts more gun purchasing. Never mind its always the FBI or law enforcement that lets these events occur time and time again, the real danger here are the weapons and the millions of responsible gun owners that own them without incident. How about we start doing private background checks on all elected officials and government employees? How many of them are on psych meds or have criminal histories or charges we never hear about? They make our laws and wield incredible power, shouldn't they be put under the same scrutiny as the rest of us?

a reply to: ketsuko

I was pointing out Tom Cotton, cause he was the first person who I can think of when it comes to where his donations come from and the votes or actions that he does.

I go to the heart of the mater when it comes to Chicago, and that is there is a problem there, yes. Funny thing about problems is that if they are left unattended, they get worse and the solutions sometimes hurt, even do more harm than good.
And the solutions are not to anyones liking. Put more police in those areas, and now there are cries of racial profiling, or that the police are too rough and abusive. And in some cases the claims are correct.


But back to Chicago, here are a few facts that are ignored when it comes to the city. At one time they had real valid laws on the books, like banning of all handguns from the city. However, a court case was had, and went to the US Supreme court, and the law was overturned. It had a gun registry, been there since 1968, but it ended in 2013, when the state passed a law allowing for concealed carry. And there is one small detail that no one every talks about, and that is other states, that contribute to the problem. State lines don’t stop guns. Chicago is very close to 2 other states that have relatively weak gun laws, Wisconsin and Indiana. Neither state require either a license or a permit, nor a waiting period. Now the ATF did a trace of the 8700 firearms recovered in the state of Illinois, and more than half came from out of state, with 1366 coming from Indiana.

And isn’t it interesting, that anytime the suggestion of a study on gun violence, along with solutions comes up the NRA bulks at that mere idea and the politicians follow suit.

originally posted by: RomeByFire
"Take the guns first, due process second."

- Some leftie POTUS

But did you notice how the left backed off of that? Now the 24hr news cycle isn't on the gun debate but whether or not the WH is "spiraling". That's their dream put into words, and they don't want to own it.

originally posted by: DBCowboy

originally posted by: neo96
Hate them back.

All they are armed with are ASSAULT words.

They WANT to be hated back because that would justify their actions.

Be careful.

I laugh at them a lot.

Hate is so destructive.

This is why we should know better and not react to them either. There is a saying "don't feed the troll". Because trolls will use whatever you react on against you.

In this case , it is best to take the moral highground and not fall to their level.

Thankfully that grabastic orange Jesus is here to fix the problem and take the guns away first and worry about that whole due process thing later.

Yay Dick l'Orange.

a reply to: AugustusMasonicus

I like, "Donny Moscow".

Has a sort of "Brooklynesque" ring to it.

originally posted by: DBCowboy
I like, "Donny Moscow".

Has a sort of "Brooklynesque" ring to it.

I think at this point we'd be better off if the Gambinos were running the place.

At least we'd all have new appliances.

a reply to: DBCowboy



Just one point.

I am not against some common sense changes, such as raising the age of purchasing a weapon to 21, and better screening, but the second amendment will be upheld.


Don't lose any sleep over whats going on. They will NEVER, NEVER, NEVER repeal the second amendment. That's a ludicrous fantasy.

There wouldn't be any need for an NRA if the ACLU was what it's supposed to be. Instead of just a front for communism.

a reply to: sdcigarpig

Did those laws actually fix any of the conditions that led to their need? If not, then hat was the point?

Again, you need to actually fix the problem, not slap a bandage on it.

Why do the people in Chicago murder like they do? Maybe instead of controlling them like they are incapable of the same rights and freedoms most other human beings enjoy, we should be looking at why that is and be seeking to address that problem.

And don't come up and say money because poverty. Poverty is part of the issue, but it's a symptom, and money is not a solution, only another band-aid.