Pence: Legal [child murder] will end with this generation

a reply to: Murgatroid

so, just how does enabling women some control over their reproductive rates equal eugenics? seems to me that if that was the goal, you would want to chose who gets this information and who doesn't. as far as I know she really didn't restrict who got her assistance.. he first clinic wasn't in a black neighborhood. and like I said she wasn't offering anything that wasn't available to anyone who was rich enough to travel to europe to obtain.
is finding a way for the poorer women to have what the richer were already taking advantage of eugenics, really???

and, like I said, no one was forcing any women to visit her clinics, yet she had many women eager to take advantage of what she was offering... unlike the gov't who were either making plans on massive sterilizations of the poor, mentally deficient, native americans, blacks and others they deemed as unfit!!! those women any choice in the matter!!!

Oh my God, when will they get over this? Mike Pence is being childish.

Its not a bad thing to believe that all life is sacred, but you have keep things in perspective and have some humility and common sense or it leads to dumb practices such as vegeterianism (Hitler, anyone??) or this nonsense. Mike Pence is hell-bent on enforcing his anti-abortion beliefs on a nation and perpetuating them onto future generations because if he did not then he'd have to question his own values and worldview. And it's just easier and more pleasant to go cling to your romantic ideals. Just like a teenage girl who won't eat hot dogs.

a reply to: Cutepants

Your assuming anyone but the yokels actually believe it...

Are they behaving the way you would expect a human being to act if they thought someone was really murdering babies???




What would you do if you knew your neighbor was gonna LEGALLY murder his children at 9am tomorrow morning????

Do you go on ATS and complain about it???

Or do you kick the door In law be damned???

You kick in the door right??

Well so do they..
the only people who actually believe abortion is murder.. are in jail for shooting up abortion clinics..

Everyone else is paying lip service

originally posted by: Ansuzrune
a reply to: kaylaluv
Margaret Sanger was a eugenicist. Wanted to get rid of blacks and Jews. And you of all people attach yourself to that. Shame on you.

Doesn't matter. Margaret Sanger wasn't a proponent of abortion. She was a proponent of birth control.

What ever your opinion of Margaret Sanger, it has nothing to do with Mike Pence's war on women and his efforts to ban legal abortions.

Just like the failed War on Drugs, can't ban them in full and it has the black market running rampant. Ban abortion, people will go elsewhere or take it upon themselves. It will also open a lot of backdoor deals that will be even more of a barbaric death to the fetus or nearly developed baby.

Planned Parenthood is holding a conference at the University of Florida about the eugenics past. At least they are aknowledging and attempting to address it.

a reply to: dreamingawake

ATS's favorite electrical engineer was also a eugenicist. Let's ban AC motors!

The only method compatible with our notions of civilization and the race is to prevent the breeding of the unfit by sterilization and the deliberate guidance of the mating instinct, Several European countries and a number of states of the American Union sterilize the criminal and the insane. This is not sufficient.

www.pbs.org...

www.abovetopsecret.com...

a reply to: tadaman

Because it's the One World Government agenda, no borders, one currency, ruled by the EU oligarch bankers, one set of laws for everyone, and depopulation because humans are not needed.

a reply to: JBurns

I don't usually respond to these threads at all, but overnight shifts are long and boring as hell, so sorry if this is a bit ranty.

First off, some people have made some excellent rebuttals, such as the strain on foster care/ adoption agencies, but no one has mentioned extenuating circumstances. What about people who are raped, they should have to go through with having that baby? Raise it with that constant reminder of what happened to them? I'm sure that's a great way to get a generation of well adjusted kids out there. What about young (I'm talking 13-14 y/o) teenagers who don't understand how sex works yet, because people like you won't teach them proper sex ed? They should ruin their lives because of that?

Now what about the people who were 100% responsible, and despite all odds got pregnant anyways? My wife and I recently found out we are having twins, which was a complete shock for us, because my wife had an IUD inserted. We literally could not have been more careful other than surgery, which isn't ideal if you still want kids in the future. For the record, we kept the babies. But in a situation like that, where the odds of conceiving were less than 0.6%, practically the safest you could possibly be, how can you fault those people for not wanting to potentially ruin their lives? They did all they could have possibly done. We tried to plan it all and, call it god or fate, something looked at those plans and noped them pretty good. Can you really blame someone for trying to take back control of their own life, especially when they were already doing all they could to prevent it?

Now things start to get a bit murky here and I'm absolutely not a proponent of this myself, but picture yourself, in a point in your life where you are ready to start a family. You go get some routine prenatal tests done, and they find out the baby will be extremely unwell. IQ below the 70s. Will never learn to speak or interact with the world. Screaming from being in constant pain. Not able to control their own body due to sometimes painful twitches and spasms. Knowing they will likely die young anyways. I wouldn't wish that on my worst enemy... Is it really the moral thing to do to have that baby? Playing devils advocate here, we skipped these test during our pregnancy, and I work in mental health so I am NOT advocating eugenics here. Just pointing out that it's not always as black and white as you seem to think. It's not a discussion that most people take lightly, and it would probably bring you far in life to toss out the view of "socialists" you seem to have of them just frothing at the mouth to kill babies with confiscated guns or something. The world is never that black and white.

Also, it was my understanding that in western society, we have something called "separation of church and state". Pence has no right to use his religious views as a basis for changing laws. None whatsoever. Which, as others have said, is why we should stop having this discussion. It's moot.

a reply to: JoshuaCox

Right, that's a very good point actually. Maybe we all take each other too seriously, when a lot of the time it's just an act.

To be fair though, sometimes people are apathetic about things they feel are evil; folks look the other way when people get hassled on the street, or just look at Milgram's experiment for example. But point well taken, you definitely made me look at things from a new perspective.

Gotta love the over sensationalized title of the OP. He never actually said the words "Child Murder" He also never said this Generation, he said in our time.

Way to put words in his mouth that he never said.

remember some abortions are done because the woman will die and if she dies the fetus is doomed anyway.
in ireland a woman was denied an abortion and she died so totally worth it

originally posted by: Gibbled
a reply to: JBurns

I don't usually respond to these threads at all, but overnight shifts are long and boring as hell, so sorry if this is a bit ranty.

First off, some people have made some excellent rebuttals, such as the strain on foster care/ adoption agencies, but no one has mentioned extenuating circumstances. What about people who are raped, they should have to go through with having that baby? Raise it with that constant reminder of what happened to them? I'm sure that's a great way to get a generation of well adjusted kids out there. What about young (I'm talking 13-14 y/o) teenagers who don't understand how sex works yet, because people like you won't teach them proper sex ed? They should ruin their lives because of that?

Now what about the people who were 100% responsible, and despite all odds got pregnant anyways? My wife and I recently found out we are having twins, which was a complete shock for us, because my wife had an IUD inserted. We literally could not have been more careful other than surgery, which isn't ideal if you still want kids in the future. For the record, we kept the babies. But in a situation like that, where the odds of conceiving were less than 0.6%, practically the safest you could possibly be, how can you fault those people for not wanting to potentially ruin their lives? They did all they could have possibly done. We tried to plan it all and, call it god or fate, something looked at those plans and noped them pretty good. Can you really blame someone for trying to take back control of their own life, especially when they were already doing all they could to prevent it?

Now things start to get a bit murky here and I'm absolutely not a proponent of this myself, but picture yourself, in a point in your life where you are ready to start a family. You go get some routine prenatal tests done, and they find out the baby will be extremely unwell. IQ below the 70s. Will never learn to speak or interact with the world. Screaming from being in constant pain. Not able to control their own body due to sometimes painful twitches and spasms. Knowing they will likely die young anyways. I wouldn't wish that on my worst enemy... Is it really the moral thing to do to have that baby? Playing devils advocate here, we skipped these test during our pregnancy, and I work in mental health so I am NOT advocating eugenics here. Just pointing out that it's not always as black and white as you seem to think. It's not a discussion that most people take lightly, and it would probably bring you far in life to toss out the view of "socialists" you seem to have of them just frothing at the mouth to kill babies with confiscated guns or something. The world is never that black and white.

Also, it was my understanding that in western society, we have something called "separation of church and state". Pence has no right to use his religious views as a basis for changing laws. None whatsoever. Which, as others have said, is why we should stop having this discussion. It's moot.

"What about people who are raped, they should have to go through with having that baby? "

The Day After Pill. Works up to 5 days after any unprotected sex. Although I'm against abortion, I am not against preventing conception itself, a very large difference.

Although abortion rights people try to put anti abortion people into these very structured and narrow boxes, that is simply not the case in most instances.

I am against abortion, when it was two consensual humans who had sex, and made a baby.

Incest? See above, and file charges. My wife was the victim of repeated incest by her entire family of 4 brothers and her father. Luckily, she never got pregnant. Had she? She would have kept the resulting child. That was in PA, and guess what? At the time, it wasn't illegal.

This subject certainly isn't black and white, my main point is, if you don't plan to procreate, don't unsafely do the deed.

Fred..

a reply to: Cutepants

There are always countless examples of people who were not apathetic..

What percent of the population’s actions are consistent with people actually believing it was murder???

.00001%

We have had, what? 2 pro-life terrorists in the last few decades???

Compare that to abolition and slavery.. sure the majority was apathetic, but you always had 10-15% AT LEAST who were willing to ignore the profit and take action..


Women have been drinking random herbs to stop unwanted pregnancies for all of human history. Even the Bible chose to stay out of it.

a reply to: fredrodgers1960


After this many pages, very few have figured out the satirical attempt to point out a serious problem with the infringement of ANY Constitutional right.

If you can cherry pick a Constitutional right because "something bad may happen at some future time or place" then ANY Constitutional right (including rights upheld by SCOTUS, such as abortion) can be infringed upon (read: regulated) whenever said government chooses.

This has little to do with abortion or my personal feelings against it. As I've always said, I despise the practice but still support your & anyone else's right to have them because SCOTUS already decided abortion was protected under privacy rights (i believe) Therefore my personal feelings are on the matter are meaningless.

Just as the left's anti-gun stance is irrelevant. The Constitution has already decided the matter for us, which has been upheld by SCOTUS as well (not that it needed it, all 10 BOR amendments are very clear)

Pence is a nut job. Anyone that thinks god talks to them has psychological issues.

a reply to: wantsome

Funny how the MSM seems to agree with you...

Recommend switching over to non-fiction sources.

a reply to: JBurns

I don't understand why they are for better conditions for inmates and against the death penalty BUT they have no qualms about killing innocents.

a reply to: reject


I do not understand either "reject" the only thing I can think of is that one suits their socialist agenda while the other hurts it.

Strong nuclear families, strong citizens and those who exercise certain very-threatening Constitutional rights (think the entire Bill of Rights) are no doubt a major threat to the socialists/globalists.

a reply to: Nyiah

lol so rightwingers have to make a mass effort to adopt every system kid lefters make and dont want??? how about you leftist liberals make an MASS effort to stop making babies you dont want!. the argument goes both ways sailor. how about instead of always trying to separate everyone politically, you say everyone should make a mass effort to stop having babies they dont want AND start adopting more. but liberals dont like taking responsibility for their actions. they throw the blame in every direction possible.