Lawyers For The DNC Argue That 'Primary Rigging' Is Protected By The First Amendment

originally posted by: jhn7537

originally posted by: RazorV66
a reply to: Xcathdra

When will the insanity on the left end?

Never.
Debbie Wasserman Schultz is certifiably insane.

Talk about an understatement... For this b*tch, I think we need to create a new phrase/term to describe how horrible she really is...

I'm pretty sure she's a sociopath.

originally posted by: jjkenobi
The next DNC primary will be interesting.

Why do candidates bother spending advertising money to get "votes"? Why bother traveling the country holding rallies?

The DNC clearly stated it's fine with just picking whoever the hell they want.

Why even bother with their primaries at all?

Dog and pony show.

It will be difficult for me to trust the primary process ever again.

In the end, it doesn't really matter if it is legal or not.

Neither status would make me vote for someone who rigged the primary. It's as simple as that.

It's funny when people wonder why Hillary lost.

For me, it wasn't emails, or Benghazi, or she was a woman, etc.

It's really pretty simple. She got CAUGHT rigging the DNC primary during the election. She got CAUGHT doing pay for play politics and taking money from unfriendly nations to the US.

So, not only is she a grade A crook, but she's bad enough at it to get CAUGHT during the election, to boot! These are not the qualities I look for in someone who's going to have to deal with the leaders of other nations (i.e. their own head crooks).

After the election, even MORE came to light, and even more PROOF of just how deeply the rigging went. Her campaign was basically financing the entire DNC for petesakes! C'mon folks....what more would you need to know? And this isn't hype or politics, it's pure and simple FACT...brought to light by the DNC themselves!

Even if legal, if you think that a candidate CAUGHT rigging the primary is going to get elected in 2020....well, good luck Dems!

Personally, I think the best Dem candidate for 2020 is actually a woman, but sadly, she's a practicing Buddhist, so that will kill her in the general election, let alone the primary. It's a shame too, because a) that shouldn't even be a consideration, and b) she ticks all the other boxes in a desirable US rep to the world.

originally posted by: jjkenobi
The next DNC primary will be interesting.

Why do candidates bother spending advertising money to get "votes"? Why bother traveling the country holding rallies?

The DNC clearly stated it's fine with just picking whoever the hell they want.

Why even bother with their primaries at all?

Dog and pony show.

Why's everyone keep acting like the GOP doesn't do the same precisely exact snip?

What planet does everyone live on?

originally posted by: IgnoranceIsntBlisss

originally posted by: jjkenobi
The next DNC primary will be interesting.

Why do candidates bother spending advertising money to get "votes"? Why bother traveling the country holding rallies?

The DNC clearly stated it's fine with just picking whoever the hell they want.

Why even bother with their primaries at all?

Dog and pony show.

Why's everyone keep acting like the GOP doesn't do the same precisely exact snip?

What planet does everyone live on?

I don't think many of us have any illusions about the GOP being more honest. But Trump managed to beat the GOP establishment and become the Republican candidate anyway. Their primary was actually legitimate, whether that was the intent or not.

originally posted by: Quetzalcoatl14

originally posted by: jjkenobi
The next DNC primary will be interesting.

Why do candidates bother spending advertising money to get "votes"? Why bother traveling the country holding rallies?

The DNC clearly stated it's fine with just picking whoever the hell they want.

Why even bother with their primaries at all?

Dog and pony show.

It will be difficult for me to trust the primary process ever again.

What's even more disturbing than the fact that they did it is how many people seem to be ok with it.

originally posted by: Xcathdra
Lawyers For The DNC Argue That 'Primary Rigging' Is Protected By The First Amendment

This is unreal. Great article thanks for the info

a reply to: face23785

For me, the biggest revelation about the 2016 election and it's aftermath is how fundamentally un-democratic the "Democratic Party" is. They cheated Bernie Sanders in their primary? Dems don't care. Trump wins? They beg the electoral college to ignore the results of the vote and elect Hillary anyway. That didn't happen? They appoint a special council on a witch hunt to find some reason to impeach Trump, all the while daydreaming far-fetched scenarios that end with Hillary being president anyway. (Example: Pence is going to name Hillary as his VP, then resign. How much crack have you been smoking, anyway?) It's exposed that the goal of Russian meddling is to undermine Americans' faith in their Democracy? They don't care -- because they've doing their best to undermine the election from the start!

a reply to: AndyFromMichigan

Too true. There were so many ironies just with the election. Democrats present themselves as the more diverse party and the party of the younger generation, yet their only nominees were 3 old white people. Republicans had a much more diverse field that was younger on average. Then you have party leadership essentially choosing the nominee themselves. The Republican party leadership did NOT want Trump, but they left it up to the voters.

a reply to: JoshuaCox

To start with they were thinking Anybody But Clinton. But if Donald can keep the economy roaring and he doesn't blow up the world with WW3 it may turn out that Trump/Pence was fondly remembered as the 16 years America was made great again. And marginalized the Democrats into irrelevance

originally posted by: IgnoranceIsntBlisss

originally posted by: jjkenobi
The next DNC primary will be interesting.

Why do candidates bother spending advertising money to get "votes"? Why bother traveling the country holding rallies?

The DNC clearly stated it's fine with just picking whoever the hell they want.

Why even bother with their primaries at all?

Dog and pony show.

Why's everyone keep acting like the GOP doesn't do the same precisely exact snip?

What planet does everyone live on?

Because there is zero evidence they have done that.

You think the GOP wanted Trump to win and get the nomination?

originally posted by: ntech
a reply to: JoshuaCox

To start with they were thinking Anybody But Clinton.

That's what got me out to vote. I didn't vote in the 2012 election. If Trump ran against a cactus I probably would've voted for the cactus. Anyone else I probably would've just stayed home. And I know a lot of people who feel the same way. A few of them wasted their vote on Sanders. Most of the people I know are moderate Democrats.

a reply to: proximo


Many will tell you it is a republic, just like California is a republic state, just like N Korea... the US used to be just like N Korea in politics... minus the dictator part, we have allowed corporations to be our dictators but really not looking at the pyramid of ownership.

Pyramid schemes are supposed to be illegal but thats how cooperate America is ran... in legal terms they are better known as ponzi schemes... because Ponzi was the first one to try to scheme the same system America uses as a whole as an individual. Hey you can't America Americans with our own scheme only we have that right.

lol anyways if it wasn't stupid it wouldn't work.

a reply to: AndyFromMichigan

If nothing else, this will be one year in which the masks slipped off for a bit and everyone had the change to stop believing what they're told while under influence of the Kool-Aid because there are few drinks strong enough to hide that dose of truth.

a reply to: jjkenobi

They straight rigged the primaries against RoN Paul 2008, 2012, I mean brazen full court press MSM + GOP every angle of Dark Electioneering right down to rigged votes, convention in your face delegate intimidation, the full toolbox and then they tried the same BS on Trump but he over ran them while threatening he wouldn't take what they did to Ron Paul laying down.

Ron didn't sue, didn't make a big stink about the rigging, and all the Brain washed mainstreamers "conservatives" didn't much care because they just wanted their status quo warmonger MSM spoon-fed "candidates".

Buts it's all documented it's just the MSM didn't much report on the Electioneering, as the Electioneering itself was all they were "reporting" during it, so only Ron Paul people much took note of it.

But we all saw it during Trump, now didn't we. Oh but Trump is "Republican", Fox has no choice but "support" him, so status quo thinking yet persists. And the Dem's they suck, but "we" don't of course (as if the GOP represents anybody but the power elites that rule 'the world's), so oh it's all the lunatic left that be doing all that primary rigging stuff not "us".

It's an interesting truth about Ron Paul there... Yes, both parties do it.
However, I'm pretty confident the last thing the GOP leaders wanted was for Trump to win the primary...

What's even more disturbing than the fact that they did it is how many people seem to be ok with it.

I keep saying the same, especially to Sanders' supporters. I mean, how can you just sit by and be OK with it? At least be upset about it.

originally posted by: IgnoranceIsntBlisss
a reply to: jjkenobi

They straight rigged the primaries against RoN Paul 2008, 2012, I mean brazen full court press MSM + GOP every angle of Dark Electioneering right down to rigged votes, convention in your face delegate intimidation, the full toolbox and then they tried the same BS on Trump but he over ran them while threatening he wouldn't take what they did to Ron Paul laying down.

Ron didn't sue, didn't make a big stink about the rigging, and all the Brain washed mainstreamers "conservatives" didn't much care because they just wanted their status quo warmonger MSM spoon-fed "candidates".

Buts it's all documented it's just the MSM didn't much report on the Electioneering, as the Electioneering itself was all they were "reporting" during it, so only Ron Paul people much took note of it.

But we all saw it during Trump, now didn't we. Oh but Trump is "Republican", Fox has no choice but "support" him, so status quo thinking yet persists. And the Dem's they suck, but "we" don't of course (as if the GOP represents anybody but the power elites that rule 'the world's), so oh it's all the lunatic left that be doing all that primary rigging stuff not "us".

I think the difference here is Sanders had a legitimate chance to win if the DNC didn't have their thumb on the scale. Paul only won 4 states in the primary. If there had been no influence I doubt it would have changed enough to give him the nomination. Sanders won 23 states in the Dem primary. Imagine if there had been no influence from the DNC. I think Clinton may have won anyway, but it's certainly easier for me to imagine that turning out different than it is to imagine Ron Paul winning. This is coming from a libertarian by the way, just throwing that out there.

The funny part is, by rigging the primary, DNC and Clinton alienated a lot of Sanders voters who either stayed home or wrote in Sanders on election day. A small percentage even went for Trump.

originally posted by: Gazrok
It's an interesting truth about Ron Paul there... Yes, both parties do it.
However, I'm pretty confident the last thing the GOP leaders wanted was for Trump to win the primary...

What's even more disturbing than the fact that they did it is how many people seem to be ok with it.

I keep saying the same, especially to Sanders' supporters. I mean, how can you just sit by and be OK with it? At least be upset about it.

That's why it was so important for the DNC to have Sanders "sell out" publicly and go full force behind Clinton. It feels a bit of a betrayal on his part towards the Sander's supporters, and as such extinguishes a large bit of their/our fire. I mean I was a Sander's supporter, but now I wouldn't support him after seeing how easily he rolled over for a person who represented everything he supposedly stood against.

So while I no longer support Sanders, I do stand against the corrupt DNC, especially Hillary and what happened. The rigged primaries are just one aspect of the corruption I'm against.

If Sanders had fought this til the end, the out roar would have been unstoppable. Instead he rolled over like a dog for his masters.

I like to think he was forced into doing so through some kind of coercion, because otherwise he truly was nothing more than a corrupt sell out. I mean, not like to think... It's weird how I feel... I don't want to think the poor guy was threatened and forced in some meaningful way... cause well, that's terrible... but so is the alternative. It really sucks all around.

originally posted by: Puppylove

originally posted by: Gazrok
It's an interesting truth about Ron Paul there... Yes, both parties do it.
However, I'm pretty confident the last thing the GOP leaders wanted was for Trump to win the primary...

What's even more disturbing than the fact that they did it is how many people seem to be ok with it.

I keep saying the same, especially to Sanders' supporters. I mean, how can you just sit by and be OK with it? At least be upset about it.

That's why it was so important for the DNC to have Sanders "sell out" publicly and go full force behind Clinton. It feels a bit of a betrayal on his part towards the Sander's supporters, and as such extinguishes a large bit of their/our fire. I mean I was a Sander's supporter, but now I wouldn't support him after seeing how easily he rolled over for a person who represented everything he supposedly stood against.

So while I no longer support Sanders, I do stand against the corrupt DNC, especially Hillary and what happened. The rigged primaries are just one aspect of the corruption I'm against.

If Sanders had fought this til the end, the out roar would have been unstoppable. Instead he rolled over like a dog for his masters.

I like to think he was forced into doing so through some kind of coercion, because otherwise he truly was nothing more than a corrupt sell out. I mean, not like to think... It's weird how I feel... I don't want to think the poor guy was threatened and forced in some meaningful way... cause well, that's terrible... but so is the alternative. It really sucks all around.

I don't think he was forced to do anything. He just realized at some point his chances were over and Clinton's ideology is closer to his than Trump's was. I wish he hadn't sold out too. I wasn't a fan of his but at least it was an organic campaign and he seemed genuine up to that point instead of the same old crap offered by both major parties.

a reply to: Byrd

Byrd you make some very valid points and I appreciate the information you have posted regarding how policy is made. This is where I think people are rightfully disgruntled. By the spirit of the definition of "rigged" it is hard to argue the DNC did not rig the nomination. They may have stayed within the written laws but they (the DNC) knew exactly what the plan was all along. Bernie was complicit as well. This is inherently wrong and is the definition of rigged.

It is unethical to present to the people a "fair and just" process when it was anything but. Couple that with the absolute mountain of controversy around someone like Hillary Clinton and the Clintons in general and it is very clear what the DNC's intent was.

That's not to say the right or any other political party is beyond reproach. However, they do tend to be less obnoxiously "in your face" with their complete disregard for what the common people may think or feel. This again is where the DNC has failed. They (not saying you or other dems) have maintained a very high opinion of themselves and they never let anyone forget this as we are reminded on a frequent basis about how little our opinion or beliefs matter as they see fit to rule from the mountaintop.

This was what turned me off so much with Obama. His never ending lectures on how I should think and feel were god damned annoying.