Read the arrest report on the Florida shooting suspect

I think “school grounds” covers all of the school property, buildings and land

a reply to: Logarock

Oh well please produce some links and s**t.

No, thank you. That's not really my concern. But if it's yours, you can produce your own links "and s**t" for your own purposes.

originally posted by: verschickter
Not trying to dispute there could have been several ones but consider this:

If you fire a gun in an enclosed area (building, hallway) the shockwave (sonic boom if not subsonic ammunition) will travel into the direction the gun is pointed. If you stand in the middle of an hallway that is enclosed by classrooms and say fire down the hall and then turn around 180° and fire another shot, an outsider will hear different locations.

The difference can be an open window somewhere, too. You can´t trust your directional hearing in a situation like this.

Your common sense and logic is not welcome here!

originally posted by: Abysha
a reply to: Boadicea

Some valid questions, for sure. Another interpretation of "shooting students that he saw in the hallways and on the school grounds" could mean hallways and classrooms. I agree with you that it sounds like it means outdoors but classrooms are also "school grounds". Maybe it was just poorly worded.

As far as the mask and helmet, if it were only one witness, it's possible he was hysterical. During moments of terror and assaults on your senses, people see things. It happens. Time gets funny, you might see people from your past, sounds don't always make sense, etc. If more than just the one teacher reports seeing a mask and helmet, I'd say it deserves a second look, though.

But so far I've yet to see one of these shootings where everything adds up neatly. Chaos is reflected in conflicting accounts and implausible aftermaths.

We can't expect nightmares to always make sense when we wake up, you know.

Looks like another teacher saw him and thought he was police due to wearing full tactical gear. Check vid here. news interview

a reply to: CthulhuMythos

Looks like another teacher saw him and thought he was police due to wearing full tactical gear. Check vid here. news interview

Thank you for the link -- but I can't open the file!!! Was the teacher's name given? Maybe I can find it somewhere else... did the teacher say exactly where he/she saw him?

a reply to: Boadicea


If there were three people shot out with the building, one of them being out in the street somewhere, when did this happen? Was it before he got to the building? If so, why did this not kick off alarm bells with the staff that something was going down? How does that fit with the narrative that the uber driver dropped him off and he was witnessed walking into school with backpack and duffle bag? Also how does that fit with the kid going to the loo and seeing him putting bullets in the gun? He couldn't have shot them afterwards as he had dumped the weapons and gear to blend in with the kids who were leaving. Has there been any reports of the actual gear they found discarded? Was it just a vest and guns? Was there a mask and helmet?

a reply to: Boadicea

Her name is Stacy Lippel and she was only about 20 feet from him. Her arm got grazed by one of the bullets and she saw him firing down the hallway before she got the kids and herself back in the class.
Not sure why the link isn't working for you, it works ok for me, I just tried it.

ETA. Here is the YouTube vid. Dunno how long it will stay up before being pulled though.

originally posted by: CthulhuMythos
a reply to: Boadicea


If there were three people shot out with the building, one of them being out in the street somewhere, when did this happen? Was it before he got to the building?

It's been reported both before and after he entered the building/campus:

From the Miami Herald:

Police say Cruz, known to other students as a loner obsessed with weapons, shot his way onto campus. He gunned down a dozen people inside buildings on the school’s sprawling campus, two more on the grounds, and one more on Pine Island Road as he fled. Two more died at the hospital. Many underwent surgery at Broward Health hospitals.

From Fox:

A very stone- faced and grim Broward County Sheriff Scott Israel said 17 lives were lost today in a very somber, somber and short press update here about half an hour ago. 12 of those bodies remain in the school; two of the bodies were shot and killed outside of the school; another person shot and killed down the road on pine island drive, and two died while being treated for their wounds inside the hospital.

I clearly remember early reports stating that he "shot his way in." There were also early reports that he threw some kind of gas bombs, as well as setting off the fire alarm. This is from the Washington Examiner:

Sen. Bill Nelson, D-Fla., on Wednesday revealed chilling details about how the shooter suspected of killing at least 17 people at a high school in Parkland, Fla., brought a gas mask and smoke grenades with him in preparation for the attack.

"He wore a gas mask and smoke grenades. He set off the fire alarm so the kids would come out into the hallways. And thus, he had the opportunity with a crowded hallway to start picking off people," Nelson told MSNBC.

I've read other reports that quoted Nelson as saying the smoke grenades were set off, but it's backtracked in this article:

Nelson later told CNN the FBI had not confirmed with him that any of the smoke grenades had been set off.

If so, why did this not kick off alarm bells with the staff that something was going down? How does that fit with the narrative that the uber driver dropped him off and he was witnessed walking into school with backpack and duffle bag? Also how does that fit with the kid going to the loo and seeing him putting bullets in the gun? He couldn't have shot them afterwards as he had dumped the weapons and gear to blend in with the kids who were leaving.

You're right -- it makes no sense. At least not according to the official story.

Has there been any reports of the actual gear they found discarded? Was it just a vest and guns? Was there a mask and helmet?

The most specific reports I've seen about what gear he abandoned is his gun and backpack. No mention of what was inside the backpack. It may be out there, but I haven't seen it.

I just found this, which is also odd, because there have been no official reports of any shooting on the third floor, but one teacher claimed he was shot on the third floor, and now there's this:

Hannah Siren, 14, was in math class on the third floor.

"The people next door to us must have not locked their door," she said, breaking into tears. "They all got shot."

How many?

"10 or ... 7"

originally posted by: Perfectenemy
a reply to: Boadicea

Shooting reported at 2:23 pm. Hmm that's odd because David Hogg did an interview of terrified classmates during the shooting but he states the time as 9:32 am. Something doesn't add up here.

Were there blinds pulled down at the classroom windows? The background looking into the class looks quite dark for day time, though there is a lot of light coming through the window of possibly a door on the left side of the screen.
Not quite sure what kind of cupboard they were hiding in, but looks like it is open on both sides. Also, there is a person just casually walking past on the left hand side. Would you not be cowering down somewhere, and especially not be walking in view of a window or window in a door if the shooting is actually happening at that moment?
I am finding this video and David Hogg less credible the more I look at his stuff.

a reply to: Boadicea

Yeah, how do we know he wasn't told to wait for back-up?

originally posted by: CthulhuMythos
a reply to: Boadicea

Yeah, how do we know he wasn't told to wait for back-up?

Exactly -- we don't know. But it seems reasonable to believe that the deputy was told something to do or not to do, and we should be told what that something is.

If in fact smoke bombs/grenades/whatever were set off, and the deputy knew this (ETA: Or even mistakenly believed this for some reason), he might also have been waiting for his own mask to go in. Going in without one wasn't going to accomplish anything good.

a reply to: MotherMayEye
Private schools tend to have far more affluent clientele and with that comes all the socioeconomic benefits: proper nutrition, proper care, less exposure to trauma while young. These in turn lessen the chance of developing a psychological disorder. But even if one does develop, that wealth gives greater access to psychological help. This may be a slight generalisation, but wealthy people tend to prefer the status quo and have children 'fixed' with professional help. Many poorer people have neither the time nor money for a proper psychologist and instead opt for a psychiatrist who just shoves them pills, which do not solve anything but rather suppress it.



a reply to: Guyfriday
I find it disgusting that you need to put a disclaimer about conspiracies on a (former) conspiracy site. Thank you, AboveTopPolitics...



a reply to: CthulhuMythos
That's gotta be the least convincing traumatised victim since the SH parents. There could have been a masked second shooter, to make people assume it's the same guy. If he was wearing 'full armour' then you'd think there'd be pictures of it discarded in a room or something...

a reply to: CthulhuMythos

Wow. Thanks for posting this. I was able to watch it here just fine.

I wish she had said what floor she was on.... Was the shooter coming up the stairs or down the stairs?

That's a whole lot of gear that she was talking about. That would probably be pretty heavy gear all tolled. I wonder how long it takes to put on that much gear? Or take it off? If he was dropped off on the east side of the school at 2:19 wearing street clothes, and the shooting began at 2:23, and he had to walk from the east side of the campus to the west side of the campus, and then put on all that gear on... all in four minutes... that's pretty darn amazing, eh?

a reply to: Ridhya

There could have been a masked second shooter, to make people assume it's the same guy.

As long as the reports of this masked and armored shooter aren't mentioned, a second shooter makes more sense than that this one kid managed all of it in 10 minutes from being dropped off in front of the school to when he stopped shooting...

If he was wearing 'full armour' then you'd think there'd be pictures of it discarded in a room or something...

You'd think so... but we can't even get pics of the backpack and gun he supposedly abandoned!

It's exactly this lack of attention to details and the lack of anything close to evidence to back up the official story that is setting me on edge.

a reply to: Boadicea
Important thing is that the stories don't corroborate properly. Something's fishy no matter who's wrong.

And ballistic gear takes a bit of time. Putting on my plate carrier could take a min to adjust. Ballistic shin guards take forever with the straps... 4 mins could be enough though.

originally posted by: Ridhya
a reply to: Boadicea
Important thing is that the stories don't corroborate properly. Something's fishy no matter who's wrong.

Yes. I don't know what the truth is. I just know that everyone cannot be correct, and that we don't have enough hard facts to know all the whys and wherefores.

And ballistic gear takes a bit of time. Putting on my plate carrier could take a min to adjust. Ballistic shin guards take forever with the straps... 4 mins could be enough though.

Thank you! I have no personal knowledge or experience, so I appreciate that. For now I'll file that away in the "possible" category.

ETA: Sorry it took me so long to notice and fix the formatting!

originally posted by: CthulhuMythos
a reply to: Boadicea

Her name is Stacy Lippel...

With students hovering on death's door, it took cops AN HOUR to get to her room? Wow, just wow.

I saw a few comments around the web about a heavy black duffel bag being removed from the building and put into the back of a pickup by LEOs... I finally tracked it down. Presumably this is the perp's duffel bag. That bag looks pretty darn heavy.

originally posted by: Boadicea
a reply to: CthulhuMythos

Wow. Thanks for posting this. I was able to watch it here just fine.

I wish she had said what floor she was on.... Was the shooter coming up the stairs or down the stairs?

That's a whole lot of gear that she was talking about. That would probably be pretty heavy gear all tolled. I wonder how long it takes to put on that much gear? Or take it off? If he was dropped off on the east side of the school at 2:19 wearing street clothes, and the shooting began at 2:23, and he had to walk from the east side of the campus to the west side of the campus, and then put on all that gear on... all in four minutes... that's pretty darn amazing, eh?

ETA. How did he already hear that the suspect was Cruz by 3:15?

Yep I was wondering about the timing of putting on and taking off all that gear. Did the kid who came across him in the stairwell whilst he was loading the gun mention anything about tactical gear / masks etc? I don't think he did.

Came across this video. Not sure what to make of it as the 9.32 time quote is in the 3rd video in the sequence, having had the 2:52 and the 3:13 spoken time stamp in the clips before it. Also he is whispering to the girl he is interviewing to coach her on what to say. Seem a lot of chatter in the background too for kids being terrified in a live shooting scenario, it could have been because it was much later and they felt things would have been taken care of by that time. It does give more of a view of how light it is in the class and shows others around them.

This article also refers to the shooter wearing a gas mask... and shooting into classroom "windows." It may refer to the small windows in the classroom doors, but I thought I'd drop it here for future reference.

I read somewhere -- and I don't remember where now -- that the Freshman Building where the shooting took place is the only building with interior halls. The classrooms in all the other buildings open directly to the outdoors.

Nikolas de Jesus Cruz reportedly went from window to window of the Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School in Parkland, south Florida., shooting into classrooms as pupils dived screaming for cover. Pupils said the gunman, wearing a gas mask, entered the school shortly after 2.30pm local time (6.30am AEDT) firing as he went.

Florida school shooting: at least 17 shot dead by former pupil