The Nunes Memo Is Fake and the Russia Scandal Is Very Real

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Did the Justice Department rely on the Christopher Steele memo in order to surveil Carter Page? No, it did not. The FBI opened its counterintelligence investigation in July 2016. It received the Steele memo in September:

More importantly, when applying for permits to surveil Carter Page, the DOJ did not hide Steele’s political motivations. It made clear he was working for a candidate opposed to Trump:

So, while the evidence that the DOJ has been corrupt or even sloppy in its investigation has disintegrated, evidence for the seriousness of the investigation itself has grown progressively stronger. The president, at minimum, chose to surround himself with people deeply susceptible to Russian leverage. The Republican party has decided, for the most part, that it does not care to find out the answer.

Basically the Demoratic memo exposes the distorted lies of the GOP Nunes memo

Please go to the link for supporting evidence
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Link to memo
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a reply to: Willtell I am grabbing popcorn for this one Go get-em tiger!

a reply to: Willtell

Suprise suprise...

Trump could declassify the actual warrant to prove his allegations, but instread released a memo from his known lapdog AND IT WAS ONLY PROPAGANDA?!?!

Color me suprised!!!


Sarcasm needs a font..

The House Intelligence Committee is requesting the APPLICATION and COURT TRANSCRIPTS related to obtaining the FISA spy warrant.

Source: theconservativetreehouse.com...

Once these are obtained, the TRUTH will be known.

a reply to: Willtell

So an op-ed from the progressive New York Rag in their Alt-Left Daily Intelligencer section takes a progressive slant to the progressive/liberal memo.

Seriously... that's it?

There needs to be some sort of TDS intervention teams set up.

That way normal people in the US don't have to daily interact with crap like this.

Click the link provided by the OP and look at their headlines.

Their own site says it all.

/facepalm

slate.com...

Here we have the refutation of a political distorted treatment of the truth and facts by a group of partisan republicans who deliberately distorted facts to make trump look like a victim. The Democratic memo refutes and exposes the lies and distortions of the GOP actions in their partisan defense of trump.

It’s clear they’ll employ any means without regard to legal or security issues to defend the indefensible

• The main charge in the Nunes Memo was that the FISA applications for Page neglected to note the political financing behind Christopher Steele’s intelligence dossier, which was used as one prong in the application. Steele’s dossier was paid for in part by the Democratic National Committee and Hillary Clinton. The Democratic memo responded that the DOJ customarily does not “unmask” U.S. citizens who are not subject to an intelligence investigation, which is why the application left out the names of U.S. political actors who may have paid for the dossier. It did, however, make clear the political nature of the dossier. The memo, in fact, quotes directly from the FISA application: “The FBI suspects that the identified U.S. Person [who paid Steele for his research] was likely looking for information that could be used to discredit Candidate #1’s campaign.” As the Democratic memo notes in bold: “DOJ in fact informed the court accurately that Steele was hired by politically-motivated U.S. persons and entities and that his research appeared intended for use “to discredit” Trump’s campaign.”


• The Nunes Memo claimed that the FISA application relied upon an article by Michael Isikoff, in which Steele was the main source, to corroborate information in the Steele Dossier. As I wrote previously, that would have been negligent at best. It turns out, this claim was also a lie! “In fact,” the Democratic memo says, “DOJ referenced Isikoff’s article, alongside another article the Majority fails to mention, not to provide separate corroboration for Steele’s reporting, but instead to inform the Court of Page’s public denial of his suspected meetings in Moscow, which Page also echoed in a September 25, 2016 letter to FBI Director Comey.” The memo also notes that those Page meetings in Moscow were ultimately corroborated independently.


• The Nunes Memo implies that
The Nunes Memo implies that Steele was paid by the FBI for his dossier and that the FISA application covered up this fact. In fact, the Court was informed that Steele had been paid for previous work as a “confidential human source,” even though he was never actually paid for the dossier. Further, when the FBI stopped working with Steele as a source because he had leaked information to the press, the DOJ informed the FISA Court of this fact in subsequent applications for continued monitoring of Page. These applications “explained to the Court that Steele told the FBI that he made his unauthorized media disclosure because of his frustration at Director Comey’s public announcement shortly before the election that the FBI reopened its investigation into candidate Clinton’s email use.”

All in all, every key claim of the Nunes Memo as it pertains to this FISA application is rebutted by the Democratic release, despite it not actually including that much in the way of new information.

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The moon landings were faked and the WTC was destroyed by death rays from space.

a reply to: Willtell

Refresh my memory here.


Was the dossier about Page?

a reply to: carewemust

Thank god

a reply to: Willtell

Let's look at what the GOP has to say about that...

CHARGE: “Christopher Steele’s raw intelligence reporting did not inform the FBI’s
decision to initiate its counterintelligence investigation in late July 2016.” (p. 1)

RESPONSE: As stated in the declassified GOP memo on FISA abuse, information about Trump
campaign advisor George Papadopoulos “triggered the opening of an FBI counterintelligence
investigation in the late July 2016 by FBI agent Peter Strzok.” Once underway, the investigation
was fueled by Christopher Steele’s dossier, which the Department of Justice (DOJ) and Federal
Bureau of Investigation (FBI) used to get a Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA) warrant
on Carter Page. DOJ and FBI’s reliance on the DNC- and Clinton-campaign funded dossier in
court filings, not the overall investigation, is the focus of the GOP memo.

CHARGE: The Page FISA application “made only narrow use of information from Steele’s
sources about Page’s specific activities in 2016.” (p. 1)

RESPONSE: Senators Grassley and Graham’s January 4, 2018, criminal referral of Steele
confirms that “the bulk of the application consists of allegations against Page that were disclosed
to the FBI by Mr. Steele and are also outlined in the Steele dossier.” Moreover, the Steele
dossier was the FBI’s only source for the allegations in the initial application that Page met with
particular Russians in July 2016.

I think you're confused. The "counterintelligence investigation" on Papadopolous started in July and the October warrant application was for Page. I think you're confusing two different matters.

If I'm not mistaken, all previous FISA warrants for Page ended in 2013 and didn't pick back up again until October 21, 2016.

a reply to: carewemust

Actually trump will never release the primary documents that prove he is lying..

That is why he didn’t just release them in the first place..

a reply to: Willtell

Lol.. you think evidence will convince these people lol?!?!

They believe that all the world is in a vast illuminati type conspiracy to make the gop look bad and every conservative talking point is on the list of logical fallacies you get in ANY high school debate or public speaking class..

L

a reply to: Willtell

Once again, I'll point out that Schiffty is trying to trick you into believing that Nunes' memo states that the FBI paid for the "information" in the dossier. The FBI did authorize a payment to Steele even though it was never paid. In the meanwhile, the FBI did indeed cover some of Steele's expenses and CNN even covered that.

Washington (CNN)The FBI reimbursed some expenses of the former British intelligence operative who produced a dossier containing allegations of President Donald Trump's ties to Russia, people familiar with the matter said.

www.cnn.com...

a reply to: Deetermined

In the quote you posted it clearly states the dossier fueled the investigation AFTER the warrant...

a reply to: Willtell

So what you're saying is that its okay for the intelligence community to use a dossier paid for by a political campaign in the midst of an election as justification for surveillance of the opposing political campaign. On top of that fact, some of the members in the same intelligence community has demonstrated an clear political bias against the campaign that is to be subject of said surveillance? Are you actually okay with that?

Furthermore, the second memo seems to be misleading as to the main charge made in the first memo. It doesn't really negate what you claim--or rather what your politically biased source claims.

Everything is the truth to you if it is what you want to believe


Putting your faith in dueling "memos" is a fool's errand

a reply to: Willtell

• The Nunes Memo claimed that the FISA application relied upon an article by Michael Isikoff, in which Steele was the main source, to corroborate information in the Steele Dossier. As I wrote previously, that would have been negligent at best. It turns out, this claim was also a lie! “In fact,” the Democratic memo says, “DOJ referenced Isikoff’s article, alongside another article the Majority fails to mention, not to provide separate corroboration for Steele’s reporting, but instead to inform the Court of Page’s public denial of his suspected meetings in Moscow, which Page also echoed in a September 25, 2016 letter to FBI Director Comey.” The memo also notes that those Page meetings in Moscow were ultimately corroborated independently.

"RESPONSE: At the time of the initial application, all of the Steele dossier’s specific claims about Page—including that he met with Igor Sechin and Igor Diveykin in Moscow in July 2016—were uncorroborated by any independent source, and they remain unconfirmed. "

As for the statement "DOJ referenced Isikoff's article, alongside another article the Majority fails to mention", I'm assuming they're talking about the second dossier written by Cody Shearer who's a friend of Sid Blumenthal?

The news media is buzzing with reports of a “second” dossier prepared by long time Clinton black ops operative Cody Shearer. The media has Shearer meeting with Steele and giving him material to include in the dossier Steele and Fusion were preparing.

www.westernjournal.com...

originally posted by: JoshuaCox
a reply to: Deetermined

In the quote you posted it clearly states the dossier fueled the investigation AFTER the warrant...

Maybe you should go back and read that again. It says that the dossier fueled the investigation that started in July and led to a warrant that was issued in October. An "investigation" started in July. There was no warrant application submitted in July. It was submitted in October and the dossier came out before that.

Reminder: The investigation in July was on Papadopolous and the FISA warrant was issued in October for Carter Page.

originally posted by: Willtell
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Did the Justice Department rely on the Christopher Steele memo in order to surveil Carter Page? No, it did not. The FBI opened its counterintelligence investigation in July 2016. It received the Steele memo in September:

More importantly, when applying for permits to surveil Carter Page, the DOJ did not hide Steele’s political motivations. It made clear he was working for a candidate opposed to Trump:

So, while the evidence that the DOJ has been corrupt or even sloppy in its investigation has disintegrated, evidence for the seriousness of the investigation itself has grown progressively stronger. The president, at minimum, chose to surround himself with people deeply susceptible to Russian leverage. The Republican party has decided, for the most part, that it does not care to find out the answer.

Basically the Demoratic memo exposes the distorted lies of the GOP Nunes memo

Please go to the link for supporting evidence
source


Link to memo
www.scribd.com...

This guy.......is not my kind of guy.
Piss in the wind.

a reply to: RazorV66

LOL! What do you expect from a guy who wrote a book titled...

"Audacity: How Barack Obama Defied His Critics and Created a Legacy That Will Prevail"