The Times They are A Changing

a reply to: aethertek

Makes a big GD difference if your target is 50 or more moving targets.

Plus recoil.

a reply to: neo96

Describe to me the effective or functional difference, besides the cyclic rate, of a civilian model AR-15 & a military issued "M-16".

K~

a reply to: aethertek

Already did.

The M variant IS designed to function at high rate,high heat tolerances, and wear.

www.bravocompanyusa.com...

Mil Spec.

List of assault rifles - Wikipedia

M16 is there.

AR-15 is not.

Why?

Because the AR-15 fails to meet the specification for an "assault rifle" which is selective fire. It is unable to do automatic fire.

The M16 can.

Assault Rifle requirements:

It must be an individual weapon;

It must be capable of selective fire, which means it has the capacity to switch between semiautomatic and burst/fully automatic fire;

It must have an intermediate-power cartridge: more power than a pistol but less than a standard rifle or battle rifle;

Its ammunition must be supplied from a detachable box magazine;

It should have an effective range of at least 300 metres (330 yards).

Interestingly enough, the M14 I used in the US Navy is not considered a Assault Rifle, but instead is a Battle Rifle, because it uses a much more powerful cartridge (7.62 NATO instead of 5.56)....and my son's deer hunting rifle, a Marlin 360 lever action also uses a much more powerful cartridge, but also doesn't have a detachable box magazine.

a reply to: eriktheawful

Standard issue limited to 3rnd bursts some variants do have full auto.

Again so what that's only the cyclic rate.

Do you people really think you're fooling anyone with this BS?

K~

a reply to: aethertek

Full automatic and burst weapons require a very special license to own. License that cost many thousands of dollars, along with a very large amount of red tape.

NO standard AR 15 is sold to people that can do burst fire without that license.

So, now it's my turn to ask you: what kind of BS are YOU trying to sell here?

BTW - cyclic rate is the same. So? It's simply how fast you can fire the gun in semi-automatic mode.

Big effing deal. You can fire a gun as fast as you can pull a trigger. I've fired double action revolvers almost as fast as a 9mm Glock.

What's your point?

So to summarize: "It's bad to reject things *I* like, but good to reject things *I* dislike, because emotions."

a reply to: Teikiatsu



You got it.

Though I might add, because I don't know anything about said item, therefore I fear it to a ridiculous extent, and want it banned.

The whole anti-gun debate is pointless BS. Since Aethertek refuses to answer my simple question i provide the answer for you. 0! Zero! NRA members committed any school shootings. Meanwhile we have reports that Law enforcement and the FBI failed to investigate Cruz and apparently even lied about it when they got questioned by other authorities. Not the first time and it will sadly not be the last. So how about focussing on the real issue and hold the FBI and all the other parties involved accountable because it sure looks like they failed on all fronts. This tragedy could have been easily avoided and it sure wasn't a f#cking gun that ignored calls,strange behavior and concerned friends.

What does the boycott of the NRA accomplishes? Nothing because they are part of the responsible gun owners. On the contrary just out of spite i hope more people sign up for the NRA. GTFO with your virtue signaling BS.

originally posted by: introvert
a reply to: MysticPearl

Lol. There's "gun culture", the folks who like collection or hunting or going to the range.

Then there's the real gun culture which you'll see in every inner city across America, with gangbangers gunning down gangbangers and innocents by the dozens, every single say, with illegal guns.

No. There is more to it than just that. But I guess if your goal was to deflect, you achieved that goal.

You simply don't like the fact your lack of logic has been proven yet again.

You chase the NRA boogeyman and its gun culture while widely ignoring the many, many more killed every day at the hand of illegal guns.

Perhaps your issue is you're all emotion. It's as if you've never thought anything thru.

a reply to: aethertek

I never belonged to the NRA... at least I didn't until this past week. I joined along with the wife and our kids. Best $120 I've spent in awhile.

a reply to: Perfectenemy

You're surprised? If it doesn't help the agenda, it's either ignored, or ridiculed.

'course, the same can be said about other issues, and other people.

a reply to: eriktheawful

Full automatic and burst weapons require a very special license to own. License that cost many thousands of dollars, along with a very large amount of red tape.

So! You don't need a license for near full auto fire just a bump-stock.

NO standard AR 15 is sold to people that can do burst fire without that license.

So! See Above

Just with the mindless fallacies.

K~

Better get those PVC pipes buried,,,

WATCH: Kentucky lawmaker in the heart of Trump country sides with students — and gives up his A rating from the NRA

Rep. Chris Harris represents Pike County, where Donald Trump won 80 percent of the vote.
He previously had an A rating from the NRA. Now, Harris says wants to see a ban on assault weapons, the outlawing of bump stocks, and deeper background checks for gun buyers.

“I have always been a strong advocate for the 2nd Amendment and I will continue to be, but the time has come for common sense action,” he said on the floor of the statehouse, according to a local newspaper.

www.cincinnati.com...

K~

Let us not forget the NRA accepted all that dirty Russian money, are they really "patriots" or a fifth column. 

Let us not forget who else accepted those dirty Russians money.

www.google.com/amp/s/www.washingtonpost.com/amphtml/opinions/yes-the-clintons-should-be-investigated/2017/11/19/d88bb652-cb15-11e7-b0cf-7689a9f2d84e_s tory.html

And it means that any full and impartial investigation of Russia's efforts to influence our political process needs to follow the Russian money flowing into the coffers of the Clintons, their foundation and their top associates.

Remember that five-hundred thousand dollar payment for a Bill Clinton speech in Russia to Russians ? I mean its dirty money right ?

The New York Times reported in 2015 that “as the Russians gradually assumed control of Uranium One in three separate transactions from 2009 to 2013, Canadian records show, a flow of cash made its way to the Clinton Foundation.”

www.google.com/amp/s/www.washingtonpost.com/amphtml/news/the-fix/wp/2017/10/19/making-sense-of-russia-uranium-and-hillary-clinton/

One could draw conclusions but when the facts are right in front of you, no need to draw conclusions. Dirty money flows freely in DC and hopefully, it will be addressed without organized lobbyist groups like the MRS but We the People, if and when we ever get fired up enough for term limits and shutting down the flow of money through the hands of both sides. If one is unable to see that, then one is part of the problem.

originally posted by: burdman30ott6
a reply to: aethertek

I never belonged to the NRA... at least I didn't until this past week. I joined along with the wife and our kids. Best $120 I've spent in awhile.

LMAO Oh my god, Did everyone else hear the petulant "So There!" in their mind after reading that?

Good for you, why would I care.

You cant logically/honestly refute the fact that an AR-15 is no different than a M-16 other than it's cyclic rate, they are both assault rifles.

& no amount of emotional baiting is going to change that fact.

K~

Here's a compromise, if you can pass a Class III Federal Fire Arms licensing procedure you can keep your "semi Auto".

K~

a reply to: MysticPearl

You simply don't like the fact your lack of logic has been proven yet again.

You've done no such thing. Perhaps you are one of those sorts of people that think just because they say something, it must be true.

You chase the NRA boogeyman and its gun culture while widely ignoring the many, many more killed every day at the hand of illegal guns.

Is there something in the ATS well lately? Why do you and others keep fabricating things out of thin air that I've never said?

It's almost as if you cannot even properly debate unless it's a strawman you created yourself.

Perhaps your issue is you're all emotion. It's as if you've never thought anything thru.

All emotion? Now I know you are just pulling whatever you can out of your ass.

a reply to: aethertek

You really are that ignorant about how firearms work, aren't you?

A double action revolver can fire almost as fast as a semi-automatic weapon. The difference is actually measured in fractions of a second.

Yet: it's not classified as a semi-automatic.

And here we go, in another post, you call an AR-15 an assault rifle, when it's NOT.

Your ignorance is appalling.

Here's a better "compromise": take your butt out of here and go actually learn about firearms before you preach and dictate to those of us who are much more educated on the subject.

At this point: you're just trolling.

originally posted by: aethertek
You cant logically/honestly refute the fact that an AR-15 is no different than a M-16 other than it's cyclic rate, they are both assault rifles.

Others have already refuted your unknowledgeable, fear based opinion on that matter... you illogically or disingenuously rejected it. There are two factors at play now.
1. I'm not wasting my time pissing against the wind...
2. I sincerely don't care whether you're educated in this matter...

You know, just for the hell of it, I hope your delusional fantasy about Russia filtering money to the NRA is reality and I hope Uncle Vlad bumps up the funding exponentially. Wanna know why American Patriots admire Russia? Simple answer, the average Russian in 2018 understands and supports freedom more than the average American progressive does. Paint yourself as an enemy of the US Constitution and you WILL be seen as an enemy of most America.