Let's Have A Nuts And Bolts UFO Discussion

a reply to: nOraKat

I suspect you're right

The two physicists at HoverBrothers have come up with the Phoenix Theory.

Don't dismiss it easily before actually taking a look. It will take time, but this could be for real.

They are planning the experiments listed below in order to verify the Phoenix theory. Some of them are related to "UFO technology". They think that their discoveries will make something possible that is kown as the Alcubierre warp drive.

We are talking about experiments based on a new theory that seems to explain things that have not been solved in modern physics up to now. To call this "interesting" is an understatement.

- Levitating a silicate block using an induced antimatter shield or “Dirac Hole” surface
- Replicating the Podkletnov Experiment – a continuation of Project GRASP
- Electrogravity: Testing the BieFeld Brown effect inside of a vacuum chamber
- Testing the NASA Em-Drive, and RF resonant cavity thruster technology
- Project Skyvault: Testing microwave and beam propulsion technologies
- Xerum 525, and the Die Glocke reproduction experiments
- Antimatter production and confinement technology experiments
- Active invisibility cloaking
- Passive invisibility cloaking
- RAP – Rapid Atomic Printer
- Portals, Wormholes, Star Gates, and Teleporter Technology
- Quantum Computers within nuclei

I still believe that they are not machines, but living things. At least what most sightings are. A lot in recent history I also believe are human tech, secreted away from public view and accidentally witnessed.

Everything is fluid, there are tiny bees that almost swim through the air, because for their size, it is as fluid as water is to us. So who is to say that space is not unlike a fluid. A fish will die if you take it out of water, just as we will die if you take us into space without means to breathe. But what is there to say that a living, sentient thing, cannot exist in that realm?

We already know that life can exist in the most toxic of places here on earth. Sulphur vents, no oxygen, an environment so hostile it was a surprise to find life there. But it thrives.

Why not space? nothing says that life has to be familiar to us. Creatures thriving on the electricity surrounding the planet. I still recall the NASA tether incident, and for what it's worth, it really did appear as if things were attracted to the tether, as it was charged.

Speculation, but still. I don't think there are nuts and bolts as so much as something beyond our concept. We are a creature that uses machines. So we think in terms of machines.

Idk, saturday evening ramblings from a guy living 12 hours in the future...

a reply to: SacredLore

conversations about them and Phoenix theory are welcome here too. why not? star for you!

it will cost a lot of money to do those experiments but hey they're at least putting something on the table whereas ttsa is not. they're just deliberately obtuse with their conjecture.

one thing I like is that they're all about information being traded between particles being behind the mechanism for inertia and other forces. although most physicists don't like their propounding at least they're doing more than ttsa. and they appear to be nice guys.

as for me I stick with Einstein and mach.

I am trying to find the link right now, but what about Nikola Teslas saucer UFO patent and electromagnetic hovering technology?

a reply to: Kandinsky

Very good post! What an actual intellectual mind you have to look at all angles of the decades of ufo sightings, sadly this is all I can add as I've never had an encounter and just have reading material. Ty for this thread very good topic in today's midst.

The problem with this discussion is that our currently accepted world of science facts is at least incomplete.
Matter (electrons) from light. Just one example.
Gravity and all forces as emerging properties of quarks.
The rules of how matter organizes we start to discover with nano technology.
Taking a step back looking at the universe as 2d membrane containing our 3d (plus time) newtonian world organised through the 4d (plus cosciousness) quantum universe.
A world where microfusion is as easy as lighting a candle. Then you simply use the forces to manipulate whatever whichever way you feel like.

The ETH dies pretty much because we hit c. While it's true that this is the limitation of speed, that doesn't mean there can't be a way around it.
But...see above...

a reply to: BASSPLYR

Yes, although my money (literally) is on TTSA I think the HoverBrothers look more promising when it comes to experimentally demonstrating something beyond our current understanding.

What I appreciate about the HoverBrothers is that they actually communicate. They answer questions in the comments section of their YT videos and they have an e-mail address where they can be reached. If somebody comes up with a pertinent question regarding the Phoenix theory I am pretty sure they will try to answer.

My companion UFO nuts and bolts mind technology thread was closed! Nnnnoooooooooo!!! (shakes fist at an angry sky) Hopefully the mods will come around on that. I guess we'll see...

Thank you to everyone that has replied so far, I think we're starting it off well enough. Allow me to ante up.

How about UFO's as weather balloons? No really, I mean it. There has been discussion of a fairly obscure project of using balloons as a piggyback for space launches, very doable. There was a thread or two about it. I'll have to see if I can dig them up.

Along those same lines, I've always found merit in the hypothesis of black triangles as dirigibles or neutral buoyancy craft. I'm pretty sure some of those models are being buoyed upwards at least in part by simply making the craft lighter than air. A little math calculating the volume of a triangular shape and air densities at varying altitudes can yield some interesting results, if one knows what to do with those numbers.

A hot air balloon floats by being lighter than the air around it. This is because the heated air inside of the balloon's envelope is less dense than the air around and outside of the envelope. The pocket of rarefied air within the balloon's envelope 'floats upward to the relative surface' of the sea of air where the weight of the balloon's envelope and basket equals the weight of a volume of surrounding air equal to the volume of the balloon's envelope and basket. The 'sea of air' that is our atmosphere becomes less dense as altitude increases, hence air density decreases accordingly as one floats upwards in this sea of air. A submarine varies its depth in a very similar fashion, flooding or evacuating ballast tanks to equalize its density as a unit with the pressure level present at the surrounding desired depth.

There are a number of approaches to making this concept work, all of which I'm pretty sure have been thoroughly experimented with by those with the means and inclination to do so. This could be as simple as a heated envelope within or around a lightweight airframe, with a powered fan for forward flight. I can't help but wonder how a tiny turbine integrated into a design like this with ducted exhaust to augment lift and provide vectored thrust for forward flight and flight controls might help such a design function a little more nimbly than your average blimp though.

Other approaches to lighter than air flight include filling your envelope with a gas like helium instead of just regular heated air, or having evacuated chambers wherein you maintain a vacuum or near vacuum by simply pumping the air OUT of a sealed chamber, leaving it as empty as you can possibly make it with pumping and sealing. I seem to remember from old discussions that this vacuum approach is generally held to be one of the more difficult ones, from an engineering point of view.

There are quite likely other more exotic technical approaches to rarefying the atmosphere within your airframe that I'm missing(microwaves? dunno), but even without those this is definitely one of the technologies that is being exploited to fly some of these exotic craft. I don't think the black triangles are just one type of airframe. There are probably like fifty or more different types of exotic triangular shaped aircraft out there flying, at least a dozen different types, in my speculative opinion.

There's a nice little bit of brain candy for you then ATS. Hehe. Weather balloons. No really though! I'm serious!

a reply to: badw0lf

I think what we are dealing with is widely varying phenomena / different entities..

Silver discs are one thing - and I believe they exist. If stories told by Colonel Corso and others are true, then there are silver discs with short grey beings he suspect are bio-engineered. They may be terrestrial (for example - a more advanced beings living on this Earth away from our view) / they may be extraterrestrial, but not from conventional humans on Earth. He supposedly communicated with them and have conformed them to be ET.

Then there are (what seem to be) much more advanced beings that are like points of light that fly around - they can transform and change shape. I can consider the possibility that they are beings themselves and not vehicles. These things are totally different phenomena from flying silver discs. Then there are various other energetic phenomena that may take the shape of some humanoid form, but are not necessarily solid. They can be ethereal. I can imagine them being beings also. Again completely different phenomena from metallic silver discs. These entities/phenomena can be ET, they can be extra-dimensional, or whatever else.

originally posted by: SacredLore
a reply to: BASSPLYR

Yes, although my money (literally) is on TTSA I think the HoverBrothers look more promising when it comes to experimentally demonstrating something beyond our current understanding.

What I appreciate about the HoverBrothers is that they actually communicate. They answer questions in the comments section of their YT videos and they have an e-mail address where they can be reached. If somebody comes up with a pertinent question regarding the Phoenix theory I am pretty sure they will try to answer.

I feel they are onto something there. The string theory physicists also think that every particle is really a packet of energy like a photon, bit that it is tangled around itself like a knot. Depending on the configuration, it either forms loops that can't be undone or loops that can be pulled apart.

The concept of pair production (two gamma rays passing through an atom turn into an electron and positron) at quantum levels expands into pair-instability supernova explosions. In these events, the gravitational pressure of all those stellar layers of gas compresses the core until gamma rays are formed. Through pair-production these gamm rays create antimatter as they interact with nearby atoms, causing electrons and positrons to annihilate each other, reducing the the heat pressure of the core, causing more compression and a runaway nuclear reaction.

If controlled, this would make for a useful propulsion system.

I think any nuts and bolts craft are ours.

My advice is to look through past threads in the aviation forum here. I just finished reading through some really insightful threads last night from about 4 years ago that described the aircraft in the latest weird Oregon sighting. My hats off to ATS for actually predicting something real. Who knows what other pieces you may be able to put together from the crumbs given out.

Larger than a normal jet, with a green glow around the propulsion. And super fast. Definitely ours.

I believe these secret technologies exist, I think it is a matter of cost and energy that keeps much of it going mainstream.
I think the Alcubierre drive is a possible reality, apparently they have the math worked out, but how to implement it is another equation. Another problem with the Alcubierre drive is creating an artificial spacetime continuum inside the "warp bubble".

What a great thread, I often sit and wonder about whether these are a "made" device or something else, and what type of propulsion they use. I like Bob Lazers stories about S4, and his descriptions about Flying alien craft, gravitational waves, and element 115 at the time, but most of it had already been theorized.

If we go by eyewitness testimonies, and not just the public but police and pilots, some of these "things" must definitely be a nuts and bolts type craft that are seen because of there descriptions about metallic type surfaces.
We also have reports of "smells" like electrical burning and feeling electrical fields, tingling skin, also witnesses getting irritated skin, and rashes when in close proximity to these "things". So what ever powers these things either uses a massive electrical field or a by-product of what powers it. There are also reports of lights and craft that seem to glow, which makes me think of maybe some kind of plasma effect.
If we go by Einsteins famous E=MC2, Energy equals mass times the speed of light squared, Energy is what actually exists. It exists in various forms and mass is just one of it's properties. So has someone "out there" figured out how to take mass out of the equation, literally??

a reply to: nOraKat

Very much agreed !!

originally posted by: nOraKat
a reply to: badw0lf



Then there are (what seem to be) much more advanced beings that are like points of light that fly around - they can transform and change shape. I can consider the possibility that they are beings themselves and not vehicles. These things are totally different phenomena from flying silver discs. Then there are various other energetic phenomena that may take the shape of some humanoid form, but are not necessarily solid. They can be ethereal. I can imagine them being beings also. Again completely different phenomena from metallic silver discs. These entities/phenomena can be ET, they can be extra-dimensional, or whatever else.

I agree to disagree...

Google: Black Hole Starships on social media and YouTube

Ever since my double nighttime foo fighter sighting in 1976, approx. 40 miles west of Washington D.C. --- I've been theorizing on how foo fighters tic.

Whereas...a classically shaped nuts an bolts saucer starship, that houses a stasis bound micro mini black hole (the size of a proton), located inside the center bottom hull --- that uses photon propulsion; with various forms of fuel --- both finite and infinite (starlight photons and deuterium from seawater).

no, lets not do it
claiming that ufos are solid is claiming that the best thinkers to ever appear in the ufo movement are wrong and also ignoring tons of evidence of they being interdimensional god-like beings and not strangely elusive aliens

across plenty of great technical material to learn about here at ATS. Nevertheless, this aspect of ufology needs more attention

do you know why?
because its all crap
antigravity is impossible, ftl breaks a bunch of physic laws and spacecraft need heat fins to radiate heat
get over it, ufos arent sci-fi they are magical