Atomwaffen: The Face of Domestic Terrorism in the US

a reply to: Xcalibur254

Why would I blame Trump? He's simply another symptom of the same problem.

What problem is Trump a symptom of exactly?

People that don't agree with you?

The FBI will keep a close watch, but the IRS will bring them down. That's how it works.

a reply to: The GUT

No, it is actually not debatable, "Fascism" is an ideology not a set of "Tactics" or "Violence"

en.wikipedia.org...

"Fascism /ˈfæʃɪzəm/ is a form of radical authoritarian nationalism,[1][2] characterized by dictatorial power, forcible suppression of opposition and control of industry and commerce,[3] which came to prominence in early 20th-century Europe.[4] The first fascist movements emerged in Italy during World War I before it spread to other European countries.[4] Opposed to liberalism, Marxism and anarchism, fascism is usually placed on the far-right within the traditional left–right spectrum.[5][6][7][4][8][9]"

People who organise and 'act' under the Banner of "Antifa" are not trying to install or enforce that ideology

So claims of ' but Antifa are the real fascists' are truly ignorant

originally posted by: XAnarchistX
People who organise and 'act' under the Banner of "Antifa" are not trying to install or enforce that ideology.

Yeah, pretty much. These new "Nazi" groups are primarily anarchists who like hurting people. That's a psychological condition, not an ideology.

a reply to: The GUT

Not comparable but a point to be noted since you went all apologetic for the thugs and either don't know your subject or left such things out on purpose. They've done a lot of punching too. Give 'em some time, the violence is strong with ANTIFA to be sure.

Man. Antifa is punching Nazis. That's terrible.

It's as bad as wanting to BLOW UP A NUKE PLANT!!!

a reply to: Xcalibur254


Yes that's good, but they also go after anyone wanting to voice an opinion that is outside of their own. They can call themselves whatever they want, but antifa is nothing more then a radicalized faction on to themselves. As XAnarchistX pointed out above, antifa using strong arm tactics to push their agenda (yes In know XAnarchistX didn't say that, but they did dictionary us all with a definition, so I'm going with it)

a reply to: Blue Shift

What the hell kind of ignorance is that? Nazi groups are far from 'anarchists' do you know anything about either? or just tossing about Buzzwords to get some cheers from the crowd?

oh, "Antifa are the real Nazis"

again, false statements (fake news much?)

Nazism is an ideology, Antifa has NO IDEOLOGY

a reply to: Guyfriday

What?

I gave the definition of Classical Fascism, how is that "Antifa Agenda"

serious, pathetic attempts...

a reply to: Xcalibur254

Here is a story about a Militant neo-nazi group that has been associated with murders, but "Antifa are the real Nazis"

goddamn, can't people just admit that these neo-nazi and neo-fascists groups exist, and are active...

originally posted by: XAnarchistX
What the hell kind of ignorance is that?

That's not what I said. You're reading what you want to read.

None of these groups are Nazis, or anti-Nazis. They're all just sad, social losers who feel that the rest of the world somehow prevented them from being as great as they think they are, and hurting people in the name of a cause gives them the thrill of power. That's psychological, not ideological.

Just calm down and stop calling people ignorant. It really does nothing to support your argument.

a reply to: Blue Shift

Except that these people believe in national-socialism and Nazi/fascist ideology, why try to dance around it? why not call these people what they are and what they self-admit to being, trying to normalise it as "just sad people" is exactly how they continue to operate

"Nazis are not Nazis just sad, losers"

a reply to: XAnarchistX

I'm not going to lie. The apologists and deflections make me want to leave this site. We're slipping more and more towards Nazi ideology being acceptable and no one notices.

originally posted by: Xcalibur254
a reply to: XAnarchistX

I'm not going to lie. The apologists and deflections make me want to leave this site. We're slipping more and more towards Nazi ideology being acceptable and no one notices.

There's probably some good people in the Nazi groups....



www.independent.co.uk...-countries-neo-nazis-white-supremacists-celebrate-more-or-less-same-pag e-racist-a8157796.html


gizmodo.com...

originally posted by: XAnarchistX
"Nazis are not Nazis just sad, losers"

I didn't say that either. Real Nazis are organized, dedicated, active and dangerous. I don't think we're there yet, but we could only be a charismatic leader away.

We generally don't arrest people for their ideologies in this country. If that was the case our jails would be packed with assault rifle activists who believe they're protecting themselves from "government tyranny," as well as people who think Trump should be chased out of office with torches and pitchforks.

I don't like the idea of getting busted for thought crimes, because I have some unpopular thoughts of my own. I'm not a huge fan of totalitarianism from either end of the political spectrum. But if somebody does a crime, then certainly, throw the entire weight of the judicial system at them. So far, only individuals have acted. We'll see what happens when 1,000 of these "activists" start shooting it out on the streets. I'm betting Detroit.

a reply to: Blue Shift

We'll see what happens when 1,000 of these "activists" start shooting it out on the streets. I'm betting Detroit.

Why? Because of the predominantly Black demographic there?

originally posted by: olaru12
Why? Because of the predominantly Black demographic there?

Partly. But mostly because the city is in ruins and remnants of the auto industry still haunt the area, where there is also a large number of disaffected young white guys with nothing to lose -- out of work, on meth, spoiling for a fight.

I could be wrong, though. Future history is full of surprises that aren't all that surprising in retrospect.

originally posted by: XAnarchistX
a reply to: Guyfriday

What?

I gave the definition of Classical Fascism, how is that "Antifa Agenda"

serious, pathetic attempts...

Um? the part where you defined:

"Fascism /ˈfæʃɪzəm/ is a form of radical authoritarian nationalism,[1][2] characterized by dictatorial power, forcible suppression of opposition and control of industry and commerce,

As I said in my post:

(yes In know XAnarchistX didn't say that, but they did dictionary us all with a definition, so I'm going with it)

So while you didn't blatantly state an "antifa agenda", you did outline fascism, and it is that definition that describes the behavior of antifa. So not really pathetic on my part, just pointing out apples to apples.

a reply to: Xcalibur254

From a German who has a relative that was beaten up by antifa because he raised his voice:

Both Atomwaffen/neo nazis and antifa bring terror to the public, it´s that easy. You can´t tell me antifa isn´t a terror group, when they set fire and beat up citizens.

Both groups are equal in the sense of they bring terror to the public, that counts, nothing else. Just because they name themselfes "Atomwaffen", does not mean they have them available.

Atomwaffen, extremist BLM, Antifa, they are all the same, they bring terror. I was partaking in a -at first- peacefully demonstration agains a known neo-nazi group in Herrenberg, Germany. They rented an old restaurant and the plan was to make it their headquarter. People in that town went nuts about it This was somewhere in between 2005-2007.

Then suddenly, Antifa "hitting the party". Covered faces, baseball bats and molotov cocktails. They set the house on fire, with people in it. They came organized in busses. Flames, self built smoke grenades, they even blocked the fire department trucks, it was their intention that day to burn down that house and if people die, it helps the cause.

It was not relevant to them that the house was not owned by the neo-nazi group. The real owner went into debt after that because the insurance company didn´t pay for arson, at least that was the last thing I´ve heard.

The neo-nazis rented it through a strawman, the original owner had no clue. Antifa wanted this house burned to ashes, regarless if people are in there or not, or if other nearby houses are catching fire.

So much for peacefully antifa. They are not one inch better than any other terror group. Not one inch!!!!

Antifa has no regard for others belongings. There were many punks seen that day, I know their ideology, too. Punks and Antifa go hand in hand when it comes to this. They don´t care if you loose everything.

a reply to: Blue Shift

Real Nazis are organized, dedicated, active and dangerous. I don't think we're there yet, but we could only be a charismatic leader away.

Atomwaffen are organized (multiple cells collaborating through Discord), dedicated (treating Mason as a god), active (five murders and a foiled terror plot,) and dangerous (see active.)

They also have multiple people that could be considered a charismatic leader. Mason has more or less been deified by the group. At the same time Denton fits in to a day-to-day role quite well.

So how does Atomwaffen not fit your definition of a Nazi group?

originally posted by: Kandinsky
a reply to: The GUT

Extremists and mafias would exist regardless, but cointelpro tactics and mavericks make it a murky business. Tough world.

The problem is that many in the security services and indeed the government have the same or similar ideologies as these groups.

Not just now, but historically.